I mean , antennagate I view as mistake by Apple, they did not design a flaw to sell units . That is the difference I'm referring to. This battery issue is done on purpose and has a nice side effect of people upgrading . This is what I mean
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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I mean , antennagate I view as mistake by Apple, they did not design a flaw to sell units . That is the difference I'm referring to. This battery issue is done on purpose and has a nice side effect of people upgrading . This is what I mean
Not sure that's really possible. Battery charge and discharge cycles are subject to current limit and Apple and any other manufacturer should apply the techniques as necessary. But, what they must NOT do is mask the battery condition.
As a minimum, the battery must be able to perform as expected during the warranty period and as long as the number of charge discharge cycles has not exceeded a realistic threshold.
And I bought two of them. So I agree with the poster the “scandals” have not had an effect on my purchase decision.
Jeez. No matter how small the effect is, (and it's definitely more than just me), the statement made is both incorrect and ludicrous;
None of these frivolous lawsuits have ever hurt Apple’s brand even a little bit.
(I notice you had the foresight to limit the statement to your purchase decision).
People upgraded for their own reasons prior to iOS 10. Apple has been “accused” of slowing devices going into iOS 9 and the the “planned obsolescence” meme fatten their pockets.
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I can’t speak for the masses.
maybe my s/o, family, friends, cousins, aunts, uncles etc. ok I’ll stop.
Well if bendgate was not a thing, why did the 6S address the issue ? This is a fact, structural points were redesigned
In regards to antennagate, they may have known, though this is not the point , do you think they introduced a hardware fault to get people to upgrade to the 4S?? No ..... and Apple addressed antennagate.... and fixed it with free "bumpers" .
So bendgate and antennagate were both "fixed"
Your musings seems to be void of a few crucial facts of how Apple dealt with antennagate and bendgate .....
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Prior to the 5S or maybe 5, CPU / GPU performance meant that they struggled to run newer code.
Now given the cpu performance is x50 and GPU x84 ..... how to slow down a device that makes incredible performance gains each year ?? See were I am heading, It's quiet brilliant.
Smartphones like computers are not longer cpu/gpu bound.....
The 6s was an overall improvement from the 6. You can apply that type of logic going in reverse that a product improvement addressed a then deficiency. A faster cpu address then slower performance, a better camera addresses then poorer camera performance etc.
Do I think Apple introduced an antenna fault to get people to upgrade? Isn’t that what people are saying now, why would it be different 7 years ago?
So you believed the meme about bend gate? My musings are probably on the same level as yours, tbh.
I understand that there is a technical limitation, however the customer should not and cannot be the one hurt by the flawed design. If the chip has to be throttled to maintain the operatability of the device since day one, you either throttle it from the beginning or you never do it. Doing it after the user has worked with it at full capacity and at a given point the device gets throttled without any warning it's at bare minimum unethical and in some cases completely illegal. I know that consumer laws are a bit fast and loose in the US, but I am imagining that in Apple is going to be hit with a serious fine in the EU. As the consumer laws in Europe are a lot more pro-consumer.
I for one don't want any kind of compensation or to win anything on this. I for one just want the phone working like it was supposed to. I think that if Apple just reverts the throttling and then address the random restart devices case by case I would be happy with it and I would forget about it.
Now if they don't act upon this fast, it's going to leave an image that you buy their flagship device, now the iPhone X at 1K$ and in a couple of months it's going to be your device throttled...
And here was I thinking that Apple had over $230 billion cash resources that could hire more staff to do such things.
No. The 6s specifically fixed the bend issues , even putting on weight .... Apple does not do that ... if it's a non issue .
iPhone 4. That is my point, it can't be a fault introduced to upgrade to the 4S .... as the 4 just launched . Fixed in 4S
The difference is that Apple is not fixing anything unlike the above examples , they are in fact putting in software to slow down all devices .... less than a year from new, in time for an upgrade.
The new model will not have a fix .... it will instread be slowed down in less than 12 months ....just before the new model is launched....
Do you see a distinct difference here ?
I am wondering if the battery is replaced on one of these 1-2-or 3 + year old phones, then the throttling software does not begin throttling?
I mean simply replacing the battery will take care of blocking the code that reduces the power etc.
I have Apple Care and phone is about 2 years old.
So I also have noticed that the phone has several things going on after all the updates .
Some related to this and who knows about the others.
I got the 128 GB memory when new so I still have 60 GB free so it is not tight memory.
Just saying as that can cause devices to start to run slow too.
Bottom line I am thinking of replacing the battery via apple care .
I thought the apple software used to have something about how many charges have been made or are left but I cant find it ATM.
Is the only way DL an APP to get to see the battery health?
Yeah, I think to block the health of the battery is wrong.
thx for reading.
I mean simply replacing the battery will take care of blocking the code that reduces the power etc.
I have Apple Care and phone is about 2 years old.
So I also have noticed that the phone has several things going on after all the updates .
Some related to this and who knows about the others.
I got the 128 GB memory when new so I still have 60 GB free so it is not tight memory.
Just saying as that can cause devices to start to run slow too.
Bottom line I am thinking of replacing the battery via apple care .
I thought the apple software used to have something about how many charges have been made or are left but I cant find it ATM.
Is the only way DL an APP to get to see the battery health?
Yeah, I think to block the health of the battery is wrong.
thx for reading.
Difference is that Steve Jobs was a visionary who had far more success under Apple than failures. He also helped to deliver products that were new such as the iPhone and iPad etc where as Tim Cook is just a numbers guy, all about the shareholders and the cash. I believe that Tim Cook is a nice guy and seems to care about certain values such as privacy and equal rights etc but I think that Apple need a visionary now.
A few years ago Apple (it seemed) tried to buy Tesla when they were valued at about $5 billion. The talks ended up now where. next thing we are hearing from someone at Apple (in secrecy) was that they were working on something to give Tesla a run for it's money. The media quickly picked up that Apple wanted to make it's own car. project Titan ended up running into problems and now it seems that Apple are working on self driving tech instead.
According to all the consensus that is. However one big reason for there failure to buy Tesla is that I believe that Elon Musk(boss of Tesla) did not want to stop down and Apple would have insisted he did.
If the buyout took place and Musk stayed on in some senior role, Tim Cook would have been scared for his job. Many people at Apple like Tim Cook, however I think they love Musk because they see some of Steve Jobs in him.
The maverick, the disrupter, the visionary. I think that Tim Cook probably believed that if that were the case then he might end up being replaced as boss of Apple by Elon Musk. Either Musk himself will mount a challenge or Appel employees would force the move.
So I therefore see Tim Cook is not going anywhere anytime soon.
It’s quite laughable when people make this argument about Apple, it has more cash stored off shore then some entire countries, and that’s not including the profits it makes year on year, it’s a massive global Corp, yet it can’t provide funding and resources to fix things properly?
Of course they can, the only reason they don’t is greed and the boards obsession with becoming the first trillion dollar company.
Not true. Many companies do not operate in such a ways yet they still make profits.
Given they have to support 10 iPhone devices..... child's play compared to android .
Not saying it is trivial or not, just that with Apple's resources they could hire a lot more staff to handle such issues and create solutions.
It would seem that in my opinion Apple just want to spend as little as possible and take the easiest way out rather than the correct way out.
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Your statement has nothing to do with the price of cheese. What they seem to be saying is that Apple have no right to interfere with their iPhone AFTER they bought it. it no longer belongs to APPLE, it belongs to THEM. So yes Apple can send an update to IOS or a new IOS HOWEVER the owner can decide whether they want to accept it or not whereas it seems that the owner has no choice but to accept the throttling of their phone in order to make the phone battery last a bit longer.
It would not have bene so bad if Apple had at least informed us this was the case and been more transparent rather than their usual secretive selves.
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No exactly. If in Apple's T&C's there was the scope to cover themselves for this situation then surely the lawsuit would not have been allowed to go ahead. It would have been thrown out straight away.
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And with respect it is not known to be false either. WE do not know if Apple are or are not using this as an excuse to get users to upgrade. I mean Apple did say that they were not trolling older iPhones yet we now know they are, they said a few things that now are known to be true so we can therefore not accept their word that they are not trying to force owners to upgrade.
I hope that they are not but I am cynical for a reason which is that too many companies lie through their back teeth and treat people like me as idiots.
Hope Apple is not one of them.
If Jobs was such a visionary why did Cook release the iPhone 6, the biggest blockbuster product release ever from Apple?
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I disagree with your conclusions(opinions), so as you said in the past...let’s cut our losses.
And I was having a sepearate conversation. And it was about a separate issue. Not related to batteries.
If people refuse to fix their devices, that’s on them.
No one with a brain believes Apple’s story about battery life. This is clearly them forcing users to upgrade and the battery nonsense was what they cooked up at the time in case anyone discovered it. Gives them a somewhat plausible excuse for doing it, while hoping they never need to explain it (if it was legit they’d have mentioned it as a “feature”).
Because for-profit companies have such a sterling history of how they’ve treated their customers?
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Who is refusing to fix my device? Not me. I’m trying to pay Apple $80 for a new battery
They actually didn’t mention battery life in their statement, did they?
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If Apple won’t do it, an Apple Authorized Repair place definitely will.
But why won’t apple replace a battery. I mean I’m trying to give them money. Clearly something they enjoy having.
And We danced again ..... Though in this case its logic , so let's add that to our list of things that we disagree on
Have a good day sir. At least we now have our safety word (words) to end a debate
Let's cut our losses ..... he he .
If so, this strategy is clearly failing, since many customers with old 5S, 6, and 6S devices report no slow down, even after updating iOS. Yet another Apple failure?
You actually think Cook was involved in the design of a single Apple product ? Let alone the iPhone 6 ?
The guy looks completely lost at an apple keynote ! Is this the visionary you are comparing to Jobs? Only when the price is shown does he become animate .
Careful with that logic, cause someone might point you to the turd products under Cook -
Like the worst Mac Pro ever.... worst mini .... careful ...
I know ... let's disagree ...