Apple better have something really good up its sleeve for the next round

[torana355]

iOS 6 is fine and Apple doesn't have to create something "amazing" for iOS 7.

For every jaded wannabe geek here prattling on about how iOS 7 needs to impress them there are 3 people on China Mobile that can't wait to buy the next iPhone.

It doesn't matter if you are upset or leave the platform. There are built in sales in the millions coming from pending launches on China Mobile and DoCoMo.

Far too many others are talking about OS architecture and clearly do not have a clue about where Apple is headed.

If you don't know the fundamentals of each OS then how can you articulate the real differences between the two.

Saying that Google Now is superior to Siri is foolish. What if you speak a language that Google Now doesn't support yet.

It's easy to get caught up in you own needs and fail to consider that there are another 7 billion people on the planet that have different needs.

Playing armchair analyst is fun but in now way does Apple have to kowtow to this puerile behavior. They have a business to run.

I remember people saying the same thing about other products/brands when they we in the same position as Apple are now with iOS, those brands are now struggling For the moment you are right, Apple have plenty of iSheep that will buy anything Apple serve up, but you can only stay behind the competition for so long before even the most devoted fans start switching, for example im a massive Apple fan that has owned almost every iPhone but im loving my Nexus 4 WAY more then the iPhone ATM. If a big Apple fan like me can make the switch there will be plenty more doing the same.

 

[dontpannic]

I remember people saying the same thing about other products/brands when they we in the same position as Apple are now with iOS, those brands are now struggling For the moment you are right, Apple have plenty of iSheep that will buy anything Apple serve up, but you can only stay behind the competition for so long before even the most devoted fans start switching, for example im a massive Apple fan that has owned almost every iPhone but im loving my Nexus 4 WAY more then the iPhone ATM. If a big Apple fan like me can make the switch there will be plenty more doing the same.

Please explain how iOS is behind the competition exactly?

 

[nuckinfutz]

I remember people saying the same thing about other products/brands when they we in the same position as Apple are now with iOS, those brands are now struggling For the moment you are right, Apple have plenty of iSheep that will buy anything Apple serve up, but you can only stay behind the competition for so long before even the most devoted fans start switching, for example im a massive Apple fan that has owned almost every iPhone but im loving my Nexus 4 WAY more then the iPhone ATM. If a big Apple fan like me can make the switch there will be plenty more doing the same.

Yet such brands remain a mystery. We're supposed to guess as to which companies you're talking about? I know of know company with Apples mite that has fallen on tough times. Even Microsoft still makes a lot of profit off of basically three standout products. Windows/Office/Xbox

I'm not an Apple fan. I'm a fan of doing things the right way. To date Apple has tickled that area better than most.

Apple's demise is not coming anytime soon. They have nearly 400 retail stores that still do gangbusters in business. Apple is increasingly adding personnel to handle the next phase which is more ambitious custom SoC designs.

Apple is really unique in that even Steve Jobs himself left the company and could not find the success he had with Apple. It really is a blessed company.

 

[tekno]

I like apples simplicity.

My Mum and Dad, two aunties and 73 year old grandmother also like the simplicity of their iPhones and iPads.

My 23 year old brother prefers Windows Phone and I (31) have gone for Android. We don't need simplicity. We want fun, useful, open, productive devices with plenty of choice of hardware.

 

[nuckinfutz]

My Mum and Dad, two aunties and 73 year old grandmother also like the simplicity of their iPhones and iPads.

My 23 year old brother prefers Windows Phone and I (31) have gone for Android. We don't need simplicity. We want fun, useful, open, productive devices with plenty of choice of hardware.

That's good for Apple. There's 4 of them that like simplicity versus 2 of you that like more choice.

The biggest numbers are always with the average joe sixpack consumer that wants a phone that's easy to work. That's who Apple caters its products to.

 

[torana355]

Please explain how iOS is behind the competition exactly?

Customization inc Custom launchers and Widgets ect
Integration with Google services and products.
Ability to set default apps, like making Chrome the default browser.
Much Better notification system
Better keyboard options like Swiftkey.
True multitasking - This is a biggy
Flash support, yes you can still install flash on Jellybean.

 

[dontpannic]

Customization inc Custom launchers and Widgets ect
Integration with Google services and products.
Ability to set default apps, like making Chrome the default browser.
Much Better notification system
Better keyboard options like Swiftkey.
True multitasking - This is a biggy
Flash support, yes you can still install flash on Jellybean.

That list is just the standard Android list of features that aren't really needed. None of those put iOS behind Android.

I could then go on to throw it back at you and say that Android is way behind iOS because:
Lack of iMessage
Lack of support for iCloud
No native AirPlay support
Third party accessory integration
....

At the end of the day, that list is what differentiates iOS from Android - not that puts one in front of the other.

The only things in that list that would be a genuine benefit for me is default apps.

iOS isn't made to integrate with Google apps and services - it's made to integrate with Apple's apps and services.

Customization etc - have you actually seen what people who jailbreak do to their devices when it comes to customisation? Everything I've seen looks bloody awful.

Swiftkey is an acquired taste. I'm not the only one who is faster on an iOS keyboard than I am on a swype based keyboard, I know that for a fact.

True multitasking is in no way a 'biggie'. No way in hell. On a phone screen, you can only truly look at one screen at a time so app suspension is perfect for battery life and performance. Background audio/downloads/processing still works - and that's all that's needed.

Flash support, yes you can still install flash on Jellybean., but why would you want to? Slow, support being dropped on a daily basis, much better alternatives out there. Google should be concentrating on getting HTML5 working properly. Even then, this isn't an 'Android is streets ahead of iOS' point, because it's not provided out of the box.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Customization inc Custom launchers and Widgets ect
Integration with Google services and products.
Ability to set default apps, like making Chrome the default browser.
Much Better notification system
Better keyboard options like Swiftkey.
True multitasking - This is a biggy
Flash support, yes you can still install flash on Jellybean.

True multitasking is a fallacy. It makes no sense.

Swiftkey ...pass. I'm pretty good with voice dictation.

Flash is dead on mobile.

Never had problems integrating Google services.

Nothing mentioned here beats.

1. well crafted UI
2. stability
3. iMessage
4. Airplay
5. iCloud

IMO of course.

 

[torana355]

That list is just the standard Android list of features that aren't really needed. None of those put iOS behind Android.

No besides the Google integration (which is important to people that use You tube ect alot) all those points are clear advantages over iOS, to say otherwise is just plain ignorant.

 

[nuckinfutz]

No besides the Google integration (which is important to people that use You tube ect alot) all those points are clear advantages over iOS, to say otherwise is just plain ignorant.

How many phones did you sell last month?

 

[dontpannic]

No besides the Google integration (which is important to people that use You tube ect alot) all those points are clear advantages over iOS, to say otherwise is just plain ignorant.

No, they really aren't, and I'm not ignorant to say so.

These are features that differentiate the two OS's, there is no technological leap there between the two OS's to categorically state that one is better than the other.

Again, I can just throw iMessage, iCloud, FaceTime, AirPlay, iTunes store out there as leaps forward and blindly claim that iOS is in front of Android due to those features.

The list you provided is the standard cut and paste list that everyone who uses Android barks out at iOS users.

iOS is still able to access the Google services with apps available so that's not even a point that could be brought up. The iOS Google Maps app is also nicer than the Android version! What does that say?

 

[torana355]

True multitasking is a fallacy. It makes no sense.

Im sorry but how can true multi-tasking make no sense??

Swiftkey ...pass. I'm pretty good with voice dictation.

You can type via voice with Android too but that does not change the fact Swiftkey is much faster the the iOS keyboard for me. The fact that i know plenty of people that wish they could get swiftkey for their iPhone says alot aswell.

Nothing mentioned here beats.

1. well crafted UI
2. stability
3. iMessage
4. Airplay
5. iCloud

IMO of course.

Yes and imo the Android UI is better crafted, is just as stable and everyone i know uses whatsapp anyway as its cross platform. I could not care less about iCloud and Airplay.

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No, they really aren't, and I'm not ignorant to say so.

These are features that differentiate the two OS's, there is no technological leap there between the two OS's to categorically state that one is better than the other.

No they are clear advantages. True Multitasking, a superior notification system, a better keyboard and full customization are real benifits that make Android better! Are you really that ignorant?

 

[dontpannic]

Im sorry but how can true multi-tasking make no sense??

Apps running in the background even doing nothing taking up memory and processor use = slower (maybe not noticeable) performance and battery drain.

You can type via voice with Android too but that does not change the fact Swiftkey is much faster the the iOS keyboard for me. The fact that i know plenty of people that wish they could get swiftkey for their iPhone says alot aswell.

There we go. You said it in your own words. For You. You does not equal everyone. I've tried Swiftkey - and I'm still faster on iOS than I am on that.

Yes and imo the Android UI is better crafted, is just as stable and everyone i know uses whatsapp anyway as its cross platform. I could not care less about iCloud and Airplay.

It looks pretty in screenshots. That doesn't make it more usable - in fact quite the opposite.

Again, everyone you know uses Whatsapp - Android users that I know use a mixture of Whatsapp, Kik, Skype, GTalk, I don't want to have to have accounts on four different apps to keep in touch. iMessage does all this without any third party apps or configuration. Simple.

You couldn't care about iCloud and AirPlay, but these are features I use on a day to day basis.

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No they are clear advantages. Are you really that ignorant?

I've looked at the list again and still can't see it. I'm not ignorant, it's just that you've given a list (that every Android user reels off... so much for uniqueness) which makes no difference to me whatsoever, so doesn't make Android 'streets ahead' of iOS. Sorry.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Multitasking is loosely defined as doing two tasks at the same time. The iPhone can run background processes but it does so in an efficient way that doesn't needlessly eat up battery or CPU cycles.

The is nothing true or false about it. You are either multitasking or your are not.

Saying "True Multitasking" makes about as much sense as claiming your wife is "almost pregnant"

 

[torana355]

Apps running in the background even doing nothing taking up memory and processor use = slower (maybe not noticeable) performance and battery drain.




There we go. You said it in your own words. For You. You does not equal everyone. I've tried Swiftkey - and I'm still faster on iOS than I am on that.




It looks pretty in screenshots. That doesn't make it more usable - in fact quite the opposite.

Again, everyone you know uses Whatsapp - Android users that I know use a mixture of Whatsapp, Kik, Skype, GTalk, I don't want to have to have accounts on four different apps to keep in touch. iMessage does all this without any third party apps or configuration. Simple.

You couldn't care about iCloud and AirPlay, but these are features I use on a day to day basis.

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I've looked at the list again and still can't see it. I'm not ignorant, it's just that you've given a list (that every Android user reels off... so much for uniqueness) which makes no difference to me whatsoever, so doesn't make Android 'streets ahead' of iOS. Sorry.

LOL, look im just going to save both our time as its clear your ignorance is clouding your judgment. It seems ignorant responses are the standard Apple user comeback when Android users point out clear advantages.

 

[nuckinfutz]

LOL, look im just going to save both our time as its clear your ignorance is clouding your judgment. It seems ignorant responses are the standard Apple user comeback when Android users point out clear advantages.

No ..it's more like we're just playing with you. We get that you don't really have the technical knowledge to debate so we're just letting you get along and delay your boredom.

Both platforms have done an admirable job and I'm glad for the greater good but what I oppose is the silly rhetoric that iOS 7 has to jaw dropping for Apple to survive especially given the recent sales of the iPhone that show sales are still on the incline.

 

[dontpannic]

LOL, look im just going to save both our time as its clear your ignorance is clouding your judgment. It seems ignorant responses are the standard Apple user comeback when Android users point out clear advantages.

Amazing. It's almost like the ignorance is the other way round - i.e completely unable to at least acknowledge other points of view.

 

[torana355]

No ..it's more like we're just playing with you. We get that you don't really have the technical knowledge to debate so we're just letting you get along and delay your boredom.

Both platforms have done an admirable job and I'm glad for the greater good but what I oppose is the silly rhetoric that iOS 7 has to jaw dropping for Apple to survive especially given the recent sales of the iPhone that show sales are still on the incline.

No i just cant be bothered debating when Apple users are so set in their ways that nothing will change their minds. I never said iOS had to be jaw dropping for Apple to survive, i just pointed out that more and more people are making the switch to Android to take advantage of the features i listed , including Apple fans like myself.

 

[jrswizzle]

And what happens when you click on the notification? In Android, you don't have to launch the phone app. You can take action on the notifications (text back or call back). I've used both and Android is way simpler in this area.

If I miss a call, I can swipe the notification from the lock screen and it immediately calls the number back.....

I feel like there are a lot of misconceptions about iOS out there.....things people are convinced it can't do simply because they don't care to find out or they've never tried.

I own both a Nexus 4 (my personal device) and an iPhone 5 (my work phone). I find each has its own pros and cons, but I generally use them the same way. iOS appeals to me because of how I use a smartphone....

The user makes the smartphone, not the other way around. And for this reason, iOS's simplicity and general lack of set-up are extremely valuable to those of us with no need to tinker for hours on end....

You want to be able to toggle settings from the home screen? I leave everything on on my iP5 because the battery can handle it.... unfortunately I monitor my N4 (due to a software issue in JB - somewhat fixed in 4.2.2, but not completely).

I've contemplated posting a thread inviting Android users to submit a task they think can't be done on an iOS device so I can educate that most everything you need/want to do, you can do.

There are the obvious default app switching, keyboard switching and widgets that aren't possible on an iPhone 5 - but aside from a personal preference on which browser you want to use, anything done on Chrome can be done on Safari on iOS - i.e. the task itself can be easily accomplished.

Just don't think I'd have the time (or patience for some of those smart alec Android fans) to answer them all!

 

[torana355]

Amazing. It's almost like the ignorance is the other way round - i.e completely unable to at least acknowledge other points of view.

I see your POV, i own an iPhone and a Nexus 4, i have plenty of Apple gear and love lots of their products. Ive used both OS's extensively and made a list of features that put Android ahead. Just because you don't need those features does not mean Android is not the better OS. I rather have the features and not use them then not have them at all.

 

[jrswizzle]

Being such an expert of the English language, you are obviously aware that a sentence should not begin with proposition.

Having a journalism degree, I know it is perfectly acceptable to begin a sentence with the word "And".

By the way....that would be a "conjunction" not a "prEposition"

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I see your POV, i own an iPhone and a Nexus 4, i have plenty of Apple gear and love lots of their products. Ive used both OS's extensively and made a list of features that put Android ahead. Just because you don't need those features does not mean Android is not the better OS. I rather have the features and not use them then not have them at all.

Wrong.

If I don't need or want those features, Android is NOT the better OS FOR ME. This isn't a cut-and-dry, winner-take-all scenario. Neither is better than its competitor. Simply each person should decide how they use their phone and pick accordingly. The OS of choice is then the BEST OS for them.

 

[OSxiPro]

Just to clarify. You can start a sentence with "And" - I should know seeing as I have excellent English qualifications.

Now. Let us talk about the nitty-gritty; iOS is good. Android is good. Windows phone is good. But - they are all just good at different things! There is no need to get into an argument over them.

Herp android has better google integration
Herp iOS has better apple integration
Herp windows phone has better Microsoft integration

No sh|t. Ones better than the other at customisation, one is more secure and one shows the most information on the home screen. The truth of the matter is - it does not matter.

 

[rocat1997]

It seems their are many anti apple people frequenting an apple board. Ios works solid and does everything the average user wants it to do. I see iphone 5's everywhere. People I talk to love them just as I do. It's comparable to buying a DVD player. They have all these neat features and gadgets but in the end you just want it to play a movie. Apple does the job well. I like the small footprint of the phone. While bigger is nice l, it's not necessarily convenient. Maybe the droid guys would do better sticking to their forums instead of trolling an apple forum. In the end guys, it's still just a phone.

 

[cynics]

It seems their are many anti apple people frequenting an apple board. Ios works solid and does everything the average user wants it to do. I see iphone 5's everywhere. People I talk to love them just as I do. It's comparable to buying a DVD player. They have all these neat features and gadgets but in the end you just want it to play a movie. Apple does the job well. I like the small footprint of the phone. While bigger is nice l, it's not necessarily convenient. Maybe the droid guys would do better sticking to their forums instead of trolling an apple forum. In the end guys, it's still just a phone.

Its a Mac forum with an iOS section. Don't expect everyone that has a Mac to automatically love iOS devices.

BTW just for future reference "Droid" is Verizons line of high end Android devices. Usually Motorola or HTC. Wouldn't be very accurate to call an S3 owner a "droid guy"....

I like iOS and although it doesn't quite do everything I need it too (email multiple pdf's in a single email) it works for the most part. However I also recognize there is a lot of room for improvement. I'm looking forward to iOS 7 and I'm hoping for the best.

 

[jacobss]

It seems their are many anti apple people frequenting an apple board. Ios works solid and does everything the average user wants it to do. I see iphone 5's everywhere. People I talk to love them just as I do. It's comparable to buying a DVD player. They have all these neat features and gadgets but in the end you just want it to play a movie. Apple does the job well. I like the small footprint of the phone. While bigger is nice l, it's not necessarily convenient. Maybe the droid guys would do better sticking to their forums instead of trolling an apple forum. In the end guys, it's still just a phone.

I noticed too, it seems like all iPhone users hate their phones but when you meet someone you know with an iPhone they say they love it.