Apple Blogger John Gruber Hints at NFC For iPhone 6 [Update: iWatch Too]

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  1. Fenez macrumors regular

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    All you're saying is that Apple has great timing. Large phones might be inevitable but they are not selling that well right now compared to smaller phones. Apple will accelerate that process greatly but if you prefer to look at it like they waited for just the right moment to get into that size market, then have fun. We all know the large phone category will blow up like never before after September 9th. Same thing with NFC and payments. We don't call it caving in. We call it good timing followed by good execution.



    Come on now...every major selling phone is larger than the iPhone.... Timing has nothing to do with any of this..
    You can try to spin that anyway you like...Apple has said on more than one occasion that NFC and larger phones were something that they weren't interested in..the reason you with see both of those things in September is not because they some how timed it right, its because NFC will be the defacto standard a year from now with or without apple and the larger phones simply because they have caved to public opinion and would like those dollars..
     
  2. jlake02 macrumors 68020

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    There are lots of cool uses for NFC beyond just payments.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1769487




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    ROFL... I seriously hope you're joking. NFC has been on non-Apple products in America for years.. and got ZERO traction. No Apple, no NFC adoption in America. Period.




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  3. rdlink macrumors 68040

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    Yeah, because everyone uses NFC now... :roll eyes:

    I know that I see people swiping their phones over a terminal every day in the grocery store, and wives all over America are bumping porn onto their husbands' phones before the cab pulls away for the airport...

    Fact is, Apple is about to transform NFC from a geeky, fringe curiosity to a mainstream form of payment processing. On behalf of Tim Cook: You're welcome Android users.
     
  4. psycosis macrumors newbie

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    Why is contact less standard in Canada now? Stores had to get new hardware for EMV and that new hardware came with NFC compatibility.

    When is EMV coming to the US? Oct 2015. The issue of 'no store supports NFC' will be out the window if Apple supports the existing contact less standards. If they try something new iTunes and require stores to add any additional hardware or software, they will run into issues.
     
  5. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    Just wait and see on the 9th :). I'm sure they will have a USB NFC dock for the other platforms. More sales on the peripherals and other devices.
     
  6. chasemac macrumors 6502a

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    So paying for stuff is gonna be a new feature? NFC? Get the fu** outta here! Apple is amazing!:)
     
  7. psycosis macrumors newbie

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    You act as the only thing needed for mobile payments is phone support. The store also needs to be able to accept payments. This is one (but not only) of the issues Google ran into with NFC. This issue will be gone when stores are forced to support EMV next year and NFC support comes along for free.
     
  8. Fenez macrumors regular

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    Exactly..its coming in a huge way by Oct.2015 . If merchants dont adopt it the fraud will be on them..Once again no one does their homework and just speaks.
    It was either include it in the new Iphone or get passed by.
     
  9. jlake02 macrumors 68020

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    I'm definitely not an e-payments expert but I don't believe the EMV requires a store to implement NFC phone pay. If there aren't A LOT (like 800 million iTunes credit cards) of users interested... most won't.


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  10. Fenez macrumors regular

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    Do your home work dude...Its being forced on the merchants which is why apple had no choice but to include it. Android users aside.
     
  11. Crzyrio macrumors 65816

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    Would love to see proof of this! :)
     
  12. spotlight07 macrumors regular

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    Good idea. I would be really surprised if Apple didn't make a case this time that can hold ID/cards. Part of the "greatest product lineup..."
     
  13. dannyyankou macrumors G3

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    Nah, the technology just wasn't that practical when it was first implemented in smartphones.
     
  14. psycosis macrumors newbie

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    It is true the EMV standard has nothing to do with contact less but all current generation EMV terminals have NFC support built in. With the investment stores will be forced to make in EMV, NFC comes free.

    Second, one of the downsides of EMV is the length of time entering the pin takes. This could cause lines, contact less speeds things up. This is why they will take the contact less support that comes free anyway.

    Any solution using iTunes will require new software for the stores. There is no guarantee they will make this investment.
     
  15. Zimmy68 macrumors 68000

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    Ok everyone.
    Stay seated for some blow your mind, super secret news...

    The same Apple blogger said today...

    wait for it...

    The iPhone 6 will have a BIGGER screen!!!

    Now I am going to sit back and wait for that to hit the front page of Macrumors!
     
  16. tbrand7 macrumors 6502

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    Ya know, I love all of my apple products... But lately, I feel that apple has been adding features in its software and products that Android has had for a while. If the rumors are true, NFC is a perfect example. They need to debut some new innovate features that haven't been seen or been on any platforms before. I also find the nfc thing kinda ironic because at WWDC 2013, Craig Federighi mocked the people who bump there phones using NFC when he was introducing Airdrop for iOS 7.
     
  17. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    The only reason it's in the iPhone 6 is for the iWatch. NFC can be used for a lot other than purchases.
     
  18. psycosis macrumors newbie

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    If you look at Android lately, they add new stuff that has been on iOS for awhile too. The truth is this is a mature market at this point and everyone is gonna take the best from everyone.

    Also... Adding NFC does not mean bumping phones.
     
  19. Aluminum213 macrumors 68040

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    So after all the leaks the last two days Gruber suddenly has "sources" there is NFC


    Lol
     
  20. appledes7 macrumors 6502a

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    When I got my Nexus 4 I loved the idea of NFC. In terms of sending websites and pictures, it was a great idea. But nobody knew what it was. Friends of mine with other Android phones that had NFC had to find it in the settings and then turn it on. By that time, it would have been so much quicker to just text it to them.

    In terms of payments, its a great idea. Problem is, nobody supports it. CVS is really the only store that I go to more than once every 3 months that actually supports it. So in actuality, NFC never helped me. Didn't help me with my Nexus 4 and doesn't help me with my Nexus 5.

    Sure, every Android phone has it. But that didn't make more retail stores support it. If Apple supporting NFC means more stores support it, then in my book that constitutes as Apple making it a success. Call it whatever you want, but up to this point every Android manufacturer having NFC hasn't really made a difference.
     
  21. Pilgrim1099 Suspended

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    Are you sure about that? Because Asia and Europe are WAY AHEAD of the USA ( and that includes Apple ) in the NFC tech for years. Apple was afraid to add in NFC not because of the market but due to industry standards and government being slow to adopt it, and that it wasn't " mature " enough. So if they add in NFC, then passbook must be phased out or updated.

    But android manufacturers weren't afraid to add it in early on. After all, if the user took the android phone overseas, who knows they could have been able to use NFC fully? NFC is out there but Apple is not going to be the one to mainstream it.

    It takes an entire movement to make that happen, not on Cook's terms.
     
  22. mdlooker macrumors 65816

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    To me, NFC seems to be like electric cars and 3D TVs; great ideas but zero support and/or market to get them off the ground.
     
  23. proline macrumors 6502a

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    LOL, so wrong. NFC data rates are near zero, and it is not on older devices. It is not an interface.

    In theory yes, in reality it is very limited and has found few other uses. Maybe tracking packages...
     
  24. zipa macrumors 65816

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    There is no "Apple Solution", only the credit card companies solution.
     
  25. zipa macrumors 65816

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    Exactly. It could be used for pairing the devices, but not as a transport.
     

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