Apple Blogger John Gruber Hints at NFC For iPhone 6 [Update: iWatch Too]

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  1. H2SO4 macrumors 601

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    Great, except take away all the hardware and how good is your software?

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    Please send that as an ‘enhancement' on the Apple feedback pages. I would find a waay of paying for everything using my phone if that happened.

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    That’s a looonnnggg way off. There are so many things that are kept in purses and wallets that you won’t get on your mobile. For quite some time.
     
  2. Macyourdayy macrumors 6502

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    Uhh, are you thinking of google or amazon? Remember the whining from the mags and newspapers about not receiving user data from apple??
     
  3. H2SO4 macrumors 601

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  4. BvizioN macrumors 601

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    MicroSD, removable battery, flash and USB.... you can forget about it.
     
  5. Andrei90 macrumors 6502

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    I think it's prerty obvious the iWatch will have NFC. Now you won't have to pull out your phone from your pocket, just use your watch and that's it. It just works.
     
  6. Karma*Police macrumors 68000

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    You may be right, but Apple says lots of things to throw off the competition. If you look Apple's iPhone business, it's still growing while Samsung's is shrinking. I chalk that up to Apple's methodical approach to product development and superior business strategy; and timing and execution are a big part of that.. Retina on 4/S, 4" on 5/S/C, 4.7" and 5.5" on 6, and let's not forget their brilliant carrier hopping strategy... all perfectly planned and timed to keep iPhone sales growing steadily QoQ and YoY.

    And considering the number of patents and key hires related to NFC, I think it's reasonable to assume that they said they had no interest in NFC as a misdirection tactic while they worked on perfecting their mobile payment system. It's also likely that they waited this long for the other pieces to fall into place. Tim Cook has said that mobile payments was one of the thoughts behind Touch ID. If iPhone 6 has NFC and Touch ID is a big part of their mobile payment system, I think that's pretty conclusive evidence to support that Apple planned/timed their mobile payment system... And one year before the new payment terminals will be required? Brilliant.
     
  7. swingerofbirch macrumors 68040

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    Is it possible

    Is it possible that the iPhone 5S has NFC?

    Apple in the past would sometimes include un-utilized hardware features and later enable them with software. When the iPhone 5S came out it was marketed by Apple as somewhat future-proof "The Most Forward-Thinking Smartphone in the World."

    Part of it may have just been defensive marketing against Samsung (they went out of their way to counter the "next big thing" marketing with "It’s not just what’s next. But what should be next.").

    Maybe I shouldn't have fallen for the marketing, but I think that they more than intimated that Touch ID and the A7 processor would be more useful in the future than what they could show when the iPhone 5S was introduced. They went out of their way to talk about how it was a desktop-class processor without providing a benefit. And they included Touch ID with only two benefits--unlocking phones and buying apps. I feel like they were saying that all of this would add up to something more in the future.

    Whether that's true or not, I feel that was a marketing strategy. We'll see if the iPhone 5S gets left behind when it comes to mobile payments. If it does, I think that would be a let-down on implications that they've made.
     
  8. DCIFRTHS macrumors 6502a

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    What do you do when the clerk wants to physically take your phone, and scan it?

    I have had this happen many times, and it really bugs me. Regal theatres wants to hold your phone to scan it when you buy tickets, and also at the concession stand. I now only use the physical "plastic credit card" Regal issues because I am concerned that the clerk will drop my phone, BUT worse than that, the concession attendants hands are usually wet with soda or butter flavoring. I can just see my phone falling to the ground behind the concession stand...

    Dunkin' Donuts has the right idea: They have a sign, behind the counter, telling the worker to bring the scanner to the phone, and to NEVER hold the customer's phone.
     
  9. MattInOz macrumors 68030

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    I think the problem with Passbook was it was part of a larger solution and while it was a standalone system it was not a compelling part in it's own right to drive adoption.

    Passbook expanded by NFC looks more compelling with more ways to use passes and more pass types.

    NFC expanded by Passbook looks more compelling as well giving your service provider a more casual means to send you updates. I mean NFC is short range that your phone might be in and out of range in under a second. With passbook your credit company could send you an updated balance after the transaction and wouldn't be at all reliant on the vendors connection.

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    Doesn't matter if they do or they don't if Apple Implements EMV emulation mode in their NFC system.
     
  10. Wheeler.Jeff, Aug 28, 2014
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    Gruber: Follow-up joke: It would be cool, and would make a lot of sense, if the new wearable thing had the same magic payment apparatus. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/08/28/september

    Apparently there are a crap ton of sensors in this wearable thingy- thinking it has to incorporate the band and not just a typical watch face w/ dumb bands. Calling iWear instead of iWatch
     
  11. robogobo macrumors 6502

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    Oh please. He's no journalist. He has a blog, wherein he comments on other writers' articles, occasionally writing a piece of his own which gets published nowhere other than his blog. And he shamelessly promotes his products and those of his buddies on said blog. A journalist doesn't do that. A blogger does that.
     
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  13. Nevaborn macrumors 65816

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    Way to shamelessly promote a single blogger Macrumors >.>

    Many of us have already gone by the sources and have said following a last minute change that NFC is a done deal. He does over simplify the process which the credit information will be stored though.

    I am expecting Apple to introduce a verification process with Touch ID, as a secure way to access not only the card information but to stop accidental usage. The secure conclave is all well and good on what will be the new A8 but unlike touch ID which so far only allows payment with Itunes on a pre registered payment method, now this will need to access and tranfer the information itself. Not just a allow/deny.

    This keynote will be very interesting possibly if they do mention their payment strategy. This is where I am led to believe Apple is still looking at this as a way to improve their retail standing.

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    Passbook is a good idea but the problem is to work you need companies on board. This is where things tend to go sideways as you end up with lots of companies, lots of countries, lots of operating procedures and suddenly a ticket on a screen becomes a lot of work.

    Apple is ambitious but doesn't twnd to put the backing to see these things through. I.E Maps and Siri which have very amall teams on very tight deadlines.
     
  14. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    Already taken off where I'm at. Most phones come with it. I use it to pay cash often. Using it is easy. Apple (and the US) appear to be last to adopt it.

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    Its been pratical for years as far as I'm concerned.
     
  15. kimvette macrumors member

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    Let's translate, shall we?

    While Apple has previously viewed NFC as "not the solution to any current problem,"​

    By which they really mean:

    "Please don't buy their phone until we can copy theirs and then figure out a way to prove in court that we invented it and therefore their designs infringe upon our copies."​
     
  16. sinfonye macrumors regular

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    We use chip-and-pin all the time in the UK. It's pretty fast: my card goes in the reader, I enter my PIN, I take my card. It's definitely quicker than signing in most cases (no need to fumble for a pen as well as the card). Contactless is only a bit faster, if at all (a percentage of transactions need to be verified, which is slow, and there is a low transaction limit [about $30 here], above which a normal transaction needs to be used anyway). There have also been problems with multiple charging where customers have more than one NFC card in their wallet. I think it's more about convenience than speed (also not needing to remove the card from the wallet, which may reduce accidental loss).
    Overall, it's not very exciting in its current card-based incarnation!
     
  17. lk400 macrumors 6502a

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    Me neither, I'm not one of the battery obsessed on MR. But with it replacing your wallet and keys home - the stakes are pretty high!
     
  18. proline macrumors 6502a

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    It can't really be for pairing devices either- who want's to have to nearly touch their devices together to get them to see each other? Apple made fun of Samsung for that silliness, and for good reason.
     
  19. rols macrumors 6502

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    That is one of the things I find annoying about Gruber's blog, even though I do read it every day because it's quite a good distiller of articles I'd not find otherwise. I guess if I had a site as widely read as his and an app in the appstore, as he does, I'd use the former to advertise the latter, but it does annoy me every time he does it.

    I read Jim Dalrymple too, LoopInsight is a bit more random than DaringFireball and Jim bangs on about Canada and guitars instead of advertising his own app (I don't think he has one by the way).

    Between the two of them with 10 minutes a day of scanning you can pick up some good stuff.
     
  20. panther quest macrumors regular

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    **** that noise.
     
  21. wigby macrumors 68000

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    If you're not looking for a detailed discussion about Apple then you're in the wrong forum. The kid's table is in the other room.
     
  22. rdlink macrumors 68040

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    Do your homework, "Dude." What's being "forced" on merchants is smart chip credit cards, which are NOT NFC. It's a more secure technology that's been in use in 80 other countries for years, and the US is finally starting to move to it.

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    Hide and watch...
     
  23. V.K. macrumors 6502a

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    Macrumors, this is embarassing...

    For crying out loud Macrumors, how can you step into the same pile of dung twice?! It was completely obvious the last time that Gruber was simply speculating and it's completely obvious that he is simply speculating now too.
    Iphone 6 may very well have NFC but Grubers post is in no way a leak or is pretending to be one.

    When he does leak something he is a lot more straightforward about it like here for example.
     
  24. zipa macrumors 65816

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    It works superbly for pairing devices. Of course you can do the old pin exchange as well if that's what you prefer, but I have yet to meet anyone who wouldn't think that NFC is a lot smoother.
     
  25. coolspot18 macrumors 65816

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    Sorry, but you've been left behind - NFC require specialized hardware and the tear downs have not shown that to be the case.
     

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