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You know all the android surrogates were hoping and praying Apple would trip all over it's dick on the iPhone 5 launch.

Didn't happen, so it must be a conspiracy.

There's a term for that: Butthurt. Sour grapes. Pathetic; Take your pick.

Relax dude. It's just a phone.
 
The only issue here is whether or not they intentionally held back product that was ready to sell just to make a "hot spot" on the nightly news. I guess we should all believe that Apple had an infinite supply of iPhone 5's available and no matter what, they should have been able to accurately gauge their sales and produce enough in advance to meet demand. But instead, they turned away millions in possible profit to make a point.. do you seriously believe what you are saying? I'm not saying such a practice is never done, of course it is. But there is a MAJOR difference between holding back some stock vs turning away millions of dollars in potential sales while the product is still very much on everyone's lips.

Take note: According to TechCrunch, the iPhone 5 sold out TWENTY times faster than the iPhone 4 or 4S. Did you also predict that would happen and Apple was faulty in not predicting this?

Companies always hold back new features for later releases, that's nothing new. Nor is it new that people pay premium for Apple products... not sure what your point is with either of these statements in a thread about supply and demand.

The point is simply that maximizing immediate sales is not the only way to make a profit. And, more than that, Apple is famous for strategic design and marketing.

I actually think you're right and they aren't likely manipulating, but this is just my gut feeling.

Apple is shrewd and I suspect doing their best to create as much demand as possible. Playing with the supply chain simply wouldn't surprise me in the least. They kind of already do this with their delayed rollouts and such.
 
OK, how else do you explain that they sold out their entire supply in 1 hour?

There are only 3 options here:

1) They totally underestimated the demand and didn't build enough phones
2) Their supply chain had such severe issues that they couldn't build enough to meet demand
3) They intentionally created this "shortage" so that buyers would be "blown away" by the product

Remember the promise Apple made with the rMBP about how you could order it and it would ship TODAY? That lasted all of an hour, too.

See a pattern here?

The statement that Apple was "blown away" indicates that option 1) is reality. Sorry, but I don't believe Apple Marketing is that incompetent. I don't think they're holding supply back, but I could be convinced that they intentionally didn't build enough phones so that this type of supply frenzy would be created.

I vote for option 3).

4) They sold a crapload of iPhones, really fast.

Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
 
Apple says the same thing every year?

Denial much ?

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...llion-iphone-4s-pre-orders-in-first-24-hours/

We are blown away with the incredible customer response to iPhone 4S,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing.


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and android users like yourself will say they minimized supply on purpose, and no one will believe you.

I don't use Android. I own an iPhone. 4S. Maybe you should stop trying to pigeonhole everyone.
 
After 5 years of this scenario playing over and over again and Apple issuing the same press statement of being "Blown away" ? 100x the demand. Not a single unit less.

So it would take Apple pre-selling literally 100 times as many iPhone 5 units in the opening weekend as iPhone 4S units last year, versus maintaining the traditional pattern of maybe doubling units year after year, in order for you to be open to the fact that they could be "blown away" by the volume.

See, most reasonable people would think that falling far outside the established pattern would be enough to warrant some "blown minds" at Apple.

If you knew anything about math, you'd know that, say, doubling the rate of increase of growth would fall WAY outside the established trend.

You saying that it would take a 100 times increase and "not a single unit less" in order to acknowledge that someone at Apple might be "blown away" definitely, definitely says a lot about your reasoning skills. :rolleyes:
 
Nokia tactics. Limit the amount of phones given to stores and then say WE'RE RUNNING OUT. So you better hurry up and pre-order yours.
 
An Apple spokesperson said the company was "blown away" by the response to the iPhone 5, according to a statement obtained by The Loop.
"Pre-orders for iPhone 5 have been incredible," said Apple spokeswoman, Natalie Kerris. "We’ve been completely blown away by the customer response."
Because that never happens when there is a new iPhone released.
 
iPhone 4s launch Debacle?

Wasn't there an issue on apples website with ordering the 4s? If so, could that have been the reason it sold out slower than this launch?(Assuming the same number of units were available for both at launch)
 
So it would take Apple pre-selling literally 100 times as many iPhone 5 units in the opening weekend as iPhone 4S units last year, versus maintaining the traditional pattern of maybe doubling units year after year, in order for you to be open to the fact that they could be "blown away" by the volume.

See, most reasonable people would think that falling far outside the established pattern would be enough to warrant some "blown minds" at Apple.

Except they are "Blown away" every year. Isn't that a pattern right there ?

Literally amazed at people believing Apple's marketing spin...
 
Wait, has anyone ever considered the idea of pent up demand? I mean people were using a similar argument to explain why 4S sales dropped in the last couple of months.
 
Because it's like that everytime. Ever heard of the little story about the boy who cried wolf ?

Yeah it teaches us that we cannot tell the same lie more than twice. So apple's still fine. :D
 
Nokia tactics. Limit the amount of phones given to stores and then say WE'RE RUNNING OUT. So you better hurry up and pre-order yours.

instead of comparing apple with nokia, you will find better success by comparing potato and tomato.
 
and android users like yourself will say they minimized supply on purpose, and no one will believe you.

If anything, they just don't care about increasing production rate because the short supply increases excitement.

Keep in mind that Apple is a marketing genius company. Even near its start, Apple produced what is known by some critics as the greatest advertisement ever, the "1984" ad for the Macintosh. That's the best ad I've ever seen in my life. And they also created the "Mac vs PC" ad series, which I also think is great. I kinda hate the iPhone 4S ads, though.

Apple knows exactly how to make people go wild over the iPhone, and people always say that "I never knew I needed an iPhone until I got one." People like my grandma want an iPhone and have never used one before and hardly know what it is. Apple gets so much more advertising from the news than they do from their own iPhone ads.
 
Lumia 920 is more innovative smartphone. iPhone 5 is disappointment in terms of innovation.

Dude, you're missing the forest for the trees, someone's subjective "innovative" measurement doesn't matter - go to Android where that plays to an extent.

The 920 appears to be a really nice WP 8 phone (love the idea of the IS camera and F2.0 lens), but iOS users who have been in iOS land for a while typically won't just try some other OS out (its different than in Android). Once folks are in this they often buy lots of movies, tv shows, music, apps, books etc. and unless they want out really bad (and take a big monetary loss on those things they bought) they aren't just going to go try another phone OS on a whim (cause it'd be financially painful).

On top of that the user experience of the iPhone, the way it works with the other parts of the Apple ecosystem (come into a wifi hotspot and the photos from the phone automatically go up to the cloud and then down into your iPhoto application so its waiting for you as a small example) isn't matched by any other vendor at this point - Apple doesn't have to worry about the very latest this or that, they keep refining this user experience they've built over years and making life easier for its users and those users keep coming back and giving them money for good reason.

WP will probably be getting most of its users from new smartphone users and Android users who can leave that ecosystem without near as much penalty...JMHO
 
Wasn't there an issue on apples website with ordering the 4s? If so, could that have been the reason it sold out slower than this launch?(Assuming the same number of units were available for both at launch)

Well yes chief, I believe there was a problem at the 4S launch :


Reading that article... it seems... almost... as if they had the same problem as they had this year! :eek: Why yes, the same "Carrier reservation systems aren't responding...".

No wonder Phil was Blown Away last year and again this year. It's 2011 all over again. :D Who could have predicted that uh ?
 
Evidently, you missed the news on page one that Sharp had caught up and was on track with production.

Plot evaporates.

They were behind in production and has finally caught up. But that doesn't make up the time that was delayed in getting the part to foxconn to assemble. My take on this was there were not as many units completed for the initial batch.
 
Wait, has anyone ever considered the idea of pent up demand? I mean people were using a similar argument to explain why 4S sales dropped in the last couple of months.

Have you considered Apple considered it ? Or are you saying they were "Blown away" for the 6th time in a row with "demand surge"... Like this was the first year ever where demand surged...
 
I'm pretty sure that most people who buy a flagship iPhone that costs between $200 and $400 with new 2-year contract, or a high-end Android phone for that matter, on opening day, "know what it is."

most people don't know though, is that iphone has a high "resell value" to other "human beings", while crapdroids have high "reclaim value" by the trash can.
 
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