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You can't discount the fact that part of the expectation and anticipation about new products form Apple are fed right here one the rumor sites. There's so much disappointment with every new Apple announcement that it didn't live up to the expectations of the rumor mill. This is an extension of that. Now, if you will excuse me, I have some more rumors to read. :)

yup, i remember waiting for original iphone - just knew it was coming - skipped the iphone wanna be with 100 song itunes phone - and finally it arrived - years after the rumors started - actually kinda like i'm waiting now for the tv and watch (and mac pro)!!!
 
What I mean is most who comment seem underwhelmed as if to say "you call a better camera innovative"?

Oh right, well as said above, if they launched a phone 10mm or less with some type of optical zoom lens then it would be a worlds first, and useful, and people would buy it in droves, and they could patent the crap out of it. So yes, that as well as how camera's in phones ARE replacing compact camera's means that they do matter to people.
Even in the UK Apple currently runs a national television advert proclaiming hoe more pictures are taken with the iPhone then anything else, they wouldn't do that if cameras were not important to sales.

Here's the same advert but with an American voice over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoVW62mwSQQ
 
Innovation!?!

Microsoft's windows 8 & Surface tablets did miserably.

Google Glasses: Very niche product. But time will tell.

NFC: Very slow adoption, probably one reason why Apple is waiting and came out with Passbook instead.

41 MP camera: MegaPixels will only get you so far. More likely hype then anything. Need more improvement to all parts of the camera system. From lenses to sensor.

Anyone using these as examples as innovations clearly don't know their arse from a hole in the ground.

I mean, 41MP camera on a cell phone? It must be better than a 15MP dSLR because it has twice as much pixels. Right?

You were kind in your response.
 
Innovation is posible but Apple will need to buy most of it, at the moment there busy catching up to Google. As partners they could both focus on core ideas instead of mapping and advertising.

I see innovation in wearables (like extra sensors and medical devices) and home tech, it's really stone age in this sector.
 
I agree that innovation takes time. However remember when the iPod, iPhone and iPad came out they completely redefined the categories and everyone struggled to keep up.

Now there is competition that meets or exceeds Apple in many areas. Sure it took android years but its now a very very viable competitor. Apple had the luxury of virtually zero competition for the first couple years of both "modern" smart phones and tablets.

So yeah there is cause for some minor concern but that's all at this point.

The problem is that Apple allowed Android to overtake them by making such small incremental improvements to their phones and by not lowering their costs and sacrificing some margins to compete on the lower end. Game over for apple on global market share for their phones. So they need to take another lagging gadget and make it work and make it work beautifully. What's that going to be? TV? Doesn't seem like it. Watch? Meh, lots of competition here already. Car integration? Maybe. Home integration? Maybe. Google glass competitor? Maybe. There's only so many ways it makes sense to access the web and content. Unless apple decides to go in a different direction like medical instruments or 3d printing I don't see all that much room to hit it big again. My 2 cents
 
I didn't mean before Steve came back. I meant when Steve was CEO. It was 6 years between iPod and iPhone and another 3 before the iPad. Was the board concerned with that pace of innovation?

Very true. Steve had the RDF to influence people. Tim Cook, unfortunately doesn't. Personally, I think Apple's Board is probably coming to meetings wearing Google Glasses, that's probably why they can't see clearly lol.
 
Consider the source

Given this appeared on fox business it has no credibility. Fox business is purely sensational in their reporting. They are a failing business network in search of a savior. If this had been on Bloomberg I would take it seriously but it did not so no big deal. :eek:
 
Last Aperture refresh? Doesn't matter. It's an irrelevant product now. Just make it iPhoto and kill that other garbage iPhoto app.

iPhoto for iOS? Could not POSSIBLY be more confusing as far as library management is concerned. Actually this is a problem system-wide.

Final Cut X? Pretty much alienated everyone with that one.

Last iWork refresh? Almost 3 years ago. It has poor Office compatibility, and the iOS and desktop versions aren't even very compatible.

iRadio? Hasn't even launched, already irrelevant because there are far better services out there which offer more control + social capabilities.

Mavericks isn't really amazing. Missed opportunity there.

rMBP? Underpowered and not ready for prime-time.

iPad product cycle is insanely long, with very few (or no) new features.

Maps? Don't even get me started. Now that lovely virus is built into Mavericks.

Apple has dropped the ball on software. Their product launches are too far apart and availability is constrained, killing sales. They don't seem to understand web services at all. Anything with social features built into it is an afterthought with them.

Real AppleTV? That's Bigfoot.

Love Apple. Alarmed by the past year.
 
To the armchair CEOs:

A man does not make a team. A team makes a team. And Cook is a great leader for a great team. He doesn't need to be innovative himself, he has great innovators in the team, all he has to do is make sure everything runs like a swiss clock, which he is great at.

And now, Fox News. Seriously? Give me a break.

These "complaints" from dumb media have been popping up almost since the iPad was introduced, which they said was going to be a flop. Bad journalism is what it is.

You fox news haters get annoying after awhile. This isn't even fox news, it's FBN. Plenty of people tune into FBN that don't tune into Fox News. Get your facts straight...
 
Oh no! It's the sources. The sources. All I know is when you multiple "the sources" times Fox "News" the result is 1.#INF.
 
You fox news haters get annoying after awhile. This isn't even fox news, it's FBN. Plenty of people tune into FBN that don't tune into Fox News. Get your facts straight...

I honestly think the commentary in that news segment was inflammatory and suggestive. Regardless of what station it was.
 
And this guy, charlie, used to work for CNBC; he liked to spread rumors, and was probably fired because of that. Can't take his words too seriously.


Given this appeared on fox business it has no credibility. Fox business is purely sensational in their reporting. They are a failing business network in search of a savior. If this had been on Bloomberg I would take it seriously but it did not so no big deal. :eek:
 
We'll know by the end of this year whether or not Cook is leading Apple into the future or allowing it to stagnate on past achievements. The 5s and iPad 5 and Mini 2 will tell us everything we need to know about Apple and it's future. I'm personally not worried about the number of product's Apple releases each year but rather their quality and value they'll have 2-3 years down the road. Innovation should not be confused with size or the volume of product releases. If Apple releases premium priced devices that are obsolete the day they're released, then Cook needs to "retire". We'll see. The devices we'll be seeing this year will tell us everything we'll need to know.
 
Apple Retail Stores

The Apple Store is Steve's baby too. Prior to then it was not easy to locate current Apple products in electronics stores. When you found an Apple product sales staff knew very little. The Mac was usually in the back corner of the store someplace covered with dust.

Apple Retail is the most successful per square foot, I think.

So, in all fairness we need to include Apple Retail Stores in the timeline of Steve's innovations.

Tim Cook is an operations wizard. Cook's tight supply chain and the multitude of miracles he performed behind the scenes contributed significantly to Apple's profit margins. His contribution cannot be overlooked during SJ's term.

I do wonder if Cook has what it takes to be successful as Apple's CEO.
 
Awkward moment when you realize it true... I just installed windows 8 on my mac and loving it. It's different. I also haven't had an iPhone for a long time and I'm thinking about getting rid of my iPad mini.
 
What other tech companies are revolutionizing the world with their products?
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Lenovo came out with a 27" tablet. Not exactly going to revolutionize the world, but it sure is a bold new idea!

And then there's the Oculus Rift, which could completely revolutionize gaming and bring virtual reality to life.

If all you're concerned about day in and day out is the tweaks Apple is making to icons in iOS 7, you might think they're the only ones "revolutionizing the world with their products," but take a broader look around and you'll see plenty of innovation in the world today.
 
What have Google innovated lately?

They released phones and tablets about a year after apple, and since then, what?

Chromebook? Lol. Cute. We've had dumb terminals that run off the network since the 70s...



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Making a 27" tablet and calling it innovative is like making a 40" PC monitor and calling it innovative. Its merely a form factor change.
 
This sounds like such BS on so many levels its not even funny. First of all, I think the board members understand Apples "innovation" approach better than anybody else. They've been there and see how it happens, organically and not just some switch you flip. Second of all, they know what the product pipeline contains, and everything that's been said so far seems that Apple is very confident about their pipeline. We have some very interesting groups inside Apple doing some very secretive projects that are clearly high priority and ramping up, with the several key hires they've made for "special projects" and Mansfield committing full time to work on these special projects.

But most importantly, I HIGHLY doubt anyone with any privilege to the board members would EVER leak something like this even if it were true, especially to Fox News of all places

So, sounds like complete and utter nonsense. Fabricated sensationalism purely to generate views/attention for Fox News. You know, "journalism" ;)
 
Apple do work on a pretty leisurely timeline.

What do we know about the future? Almost nothing, but we do know online services will have a bigger role to play. If you're worried about Apple's future, worry about their presence in services.

iWork on the web is pretty impressive, and it shows that Apple's application development talent can move well to the web (in fairness, all of their consumer web applications are top class). Still, online services are about so much more than web applications. It requires a different kind of thinking, and often requires targeting multiple platforms.

Maps, Siri, iTunes in the Cloud and iMessage are Apple's only real "services".

Maps have improved, but they're still nowhere near good enough. Personally, I'm shocked how slowly it's improved; I still see huge mistakes (like important central London hospitals being misplaced or mislabelled) and I'm not getting the kind of experience I expected at this stage. I at least expected flyover support for the capitals of Europe, but at a quick glance I see that Amsterdam, Brussels and Edinburgh are all flat.

Siri just plain isn't good enough right now. Speech recognition is a long way behind Google Now in terms of speed and accuracy. Google's knowledge graph has more information about more things, and is improving quickly.

Google are doing impressive things with neural networks which are just ideal for these kinds of tasks. You will never get one algorithm to be a good assistant to large numbers of people; you need a personalised and learning algorithm. This is the kind of thing Google are doing now with Google+ photo corrections and selections, an they grow from it to try bigger things (like the new, ultra-personalised Google Maps). I haven't seen anything from Apple that suggests they can raise their game to this level, which is a shame because it's clear this the future of the sorts of online services they care about.

iTunes Match does its job reasonably well; I use it all the time to stream music and I have no complaints. iTunes Radio looks nice, and it could yet be groundbreaking because of the huge exposure it will get inside the Music App. That's potentially huge: new iPhone buyers will be able to play music out-of-the-box, and that gives them a huge lead over guys like Pandora or Spotify (and Youtube, I should add).

My mother only occasionally listens to music. Not enough to register or pay for something like Spotify. But I'm almost certain she will discover and use iTunes Radio, and it may even get her listening to (and buying) more music.

iMessage needs a web interface. Possibly with HTML5 web notifications so that Windows (and even Android) users get a usable enough iMessage experience.

What that would do is help develop the service in to something people depend on. The best experience will be on iOS, the same way Android has the best Gmail experience. Real-time chat is something that could be a real traffic-puller, so it could also be a springboard for other services, too.

On top of that, Apple need to deliver some kind of very innovative, new type of service. No idea what it could be, but something to give their services that extra push.

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It's one hell of a tough job. I do hope they're investing heavily in this area.
 
Really? And this is a surprise?

If Apples board is doing their job they should have been addressing the pace of innovation, gross margins, product pipelines, capital outlays and on and on, this is what good boards do at every company. It is their job to ask difficult questions, it is their job to be concerned when no one else is concerned or when everyone is concerned, this is the purpose of a BOD.

If they fired a CEO every time this subject is broached, they would fire every CEO that has a board worth a salt.

Anybody familiar with managing a public company could have wrote that headline.......next.
 
It's not like the iPhone 4 leaked completely several months before launch...

You would be very naive to believe that every great innovation at Apple was down to Jobs. He didn't want an App Store a d had to be persuaded.

How is the new Mac Pro not innovative. Monsters university was practically made on it and its tiny. I'm the first to admit I don't know much about computers, but it's incredibly innovative to get that amount of power in such a small enclosure.

Look at the iMacs, and look at the products around them. The clamshelf ibook (the first laptop ever with wifi), the iMac G4. I mean, you are talking about actual design. The New Mac Pro is a lazy design. The G4 Cube was awesome in comparison.

Where is the Apple TV? Where is the very nice iPhone design? Where is the "I didn't think about that?" There isn't.

The boards of directors and the share holders are not wrong.
 
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Lenovo came out with a 27" tablet. Not exactly going to revolutionize the world, but it sure is a bold new idea!

And then there's the Oculus Rift, which could completely revolutionize gaming and bring virtual reality to life.

If all you're concerned about day in and day out is the tweaks Apple is making to icons in iOS 7, you might think they're the only ones "revolutionizing the world with their products," but take a broader look around and you'll see plenty of innovation in the world today.

MANY companies inside Silicon Valley are making groundbreaking and exciting research. FEW companies actually translate that into groundbreaking, transformative PRODUCTS.

There's a big difference between technology and products. The Oculus Rift is a very exciting piece of technology, it is not an actual consumer product yet. The verdict will be out when they actually complete the project and ship it to consumers.

I wish people would understand that the biggest challenge in innovation is transforming bold ideas into finished products. That's the thing Apple does better than any other company in the valley. Not necessarily technology research, but designing and implementing technology into finished products.
 
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