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They mustn't rush. Innovation takes time. I feel like there's a bit of a lack of innovation in the technology industry as a whole right now, but if hey think about it long and hard they'll come up with something decent.

I believe this to be mostly true. Most of our needs are being met or at least thats the perception. True innovation introduces us to a need or product we didn't even realize we needed. It's a tall order.
 
Charlie Gasparino? :eek:

He is the biggest loser. He even got kicked out of CNBC long back :D

He is trying to make some type of comeback by targeting Tim Cook. He knows nothing!
 
iPhone 2007

iPad 2010

Where was all the screaming and gnashing of teeth between those years?

No one had any clue about the iPhone and iPad before release date so all of you haven't a clue of what Apple has up it's sleeve.

My prediction is the new Mac Pro is going to be a bigger hit than anyone can anticipate. If you really look at the specs, size -- and mostly -- the desktop footprint, this is more a Super Mac Mini than a direct Mac Pro replacement.

As far as the dweebs bitching about no accessory slots, parallel buses outside of the data-center has gone the way of the S-100 bus. The data integrity of high speed serial buses such as Thunderbolt have obsoleted parallel buses. Apple knows it, those the put the PCIe standard knows it and it'll take awhile for others who matter to get it.

I'm sure several accessory houses will come up with a nice, brushed aluminum box that aesthetically and thermodynamically works as a stand for the new Mac Pro. These boxes will probably have:

1) capacity for four PCIe cards and the right power supply
2) have the card connector slots on the back
3) a nice LED on the front, sexy ones with a fancy 1" square OLED screen
4) a hub of USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt ports in the front.
5) deluxe versions have memory card slots
6) many may have an iPhone Lightning doc integrated to doc right in front of the Mac Pro tower pedestal

The box will plug into the Mac Pro via Thunderbolt. Legacy Mac Pro users will move their pricey PCI cards to this box and they'll be up and running in less than a day.

For the rest of us, my take is that entry level, quad-core new Mac Pro sells for a very surprising US$1999 grabbing top end Mac Mini users. These new Mac Pro users will unplug their maxed out Mac Mini form their KVM switch and plug in the new Mac Pro.

MacWorld 2014 is going to be a lot of fun!
 
What about the Retina Macbook Pro or the Mac Pro 2013 or the 12 hour Macbook Air? :D

Neither of those were segment changers at their release like the iPhone, iPad, iPod were.

Air set the stage for lighter laptops but it took years for it to catch on.
 
Steve Jobs said at the launch of the iPhone that it, the iPod, and the Mac were the only three revolutionary products the company had ever released, which took place over the course of... twenty-three years. If you count the iPad as their fourth revolutionary device that's four in twenty-six years. And they're still the most innovative tech company around.

Dang it Apple, you're going too slow! Change the world for us faster! :p
 
This unfortunately sums it up ....

It's one thing for Mac users and fans to express concerns. We do it here ALL the time, because we actually like the products Apple makes and count on them daily for our work or entertainment.

But we don't have any inside information on what Apple is planning on doing, or even have any idea what they invest/spend to make each move they make -- so we're just consumers commenting on what we'd like to buy from them, essentially.

When the board of directors expresses concern, it's unfortunately tied closely to stock prices and projected profits. That's ultimately why a company sells anything -- to make as much money as possible from it. BUT, every time a company is truly successful and well liked, it's because they don't cut corners on the path to profit, and they don't sweat the short term stock trends!

Offer great products with real value and you'll make your money selling them. It's that simple, but it's not always predictable if it will result in big stock market climbs or fast results.

If there's one reason the loss of Steve Jobs *could* really negatively affect Apple, it's because he treated Apple like his baby. He wanted it to produce what he wanted it to produce and nothing more. When people asked him if he was concerned about Microsoft Windows having so much market-share, he said no -- because the 6% - 10% Apple had was plenty of customers to please him. That attitude is foreign to, I'd say, the VAST majority of stockholders, CEO's and other types in charge of companies today. They think the goal is always to shoot for 100% market-share, however unachievable that is in reality.

In any case though, this is historically the WORST time to judge Apple on new product releases. The "back to school" season is always when Apple tries to clear the inventory channels of all the "last year's products" before the new stuff gets rolled out.


Come on Apple! INNOVATE!!! INNOVATE!!!! :eek:

The board is desperate for more money. :apple:

The name of the game isn't about making great products.

Its about how many innovations you can make in a certain amount of time.
 
I suppose Apple could release something like this to show they're "innovative", even though next to no one would buy it.

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Fire Tim Cook and bring back Jean Louis-Gaseé!

Gasee! What a great character he was. I wonder if he is available? If Apple had gotten into bed with Be, Inc. in the late '90's it would have been the end of Apple. I am 100% positive. That was a close one. Apple offered Gasee 100 million dollars for nothing and he said no. He wanted 300 million.

Then Jobs offered next for 400 million and the rest is history!
 
Part of it is because Apple's mystique is gone.

People used to wait in line to see what Apple is doing next. and they used to do so rapidly. mind you, were not talking revolutionary products...but 'think different' products that are CLEARLY better.
2005 boom. comes the new ipod (nano...wayy better than ANY other mp3 players)
2006 Boom. comes the new macbook (intel wayyy faster than the previous gen)
2007 Boom. comes the new OS X (Leopard was wayyyy better than windows xp or vista)
2007 boom. comes the new iphone (wayyy better than any phones out there)
2008 Boom. comes the 'brick' notebooks (unibody....the gold standard in notebooks)
2008 Boom. made the app store the best online app platform out there.
2009. Boom. didn't stop innovating on the macbook front. Improved battery technology, now built into the case.. BEST BATTERY LIFE in a laptop. ever. also, managed to make Leopard a LOT faster with Snow Leopard. All this whilst doing their 'day-job'. new iterative iPhone and iOS.
2010 Boom. comes the new iPhone 4 (best build quality out of anything mass produced. ever)

That was 2010. it is now 2013. I can't think of anything to that level of excitement in Apple's line up since then. the retina macbooks are close. but then again, it's not far and away better than anything else out there. it's not a 'must-have'a in the dwindling market of sub-$1000 computers and most non-apple/non-creative content aren't even made for the retina display.
The iPhone 5 is pretty much the iPhone 4.2.. the jump from the ipod mini to the ipod nano was miles more 'impressive'... OS X Mavericks.... why do I want to upgrade again? iOS 7 = iOS 6 reskinned and the way it should've been, 1 year ago.
The iPad mini is basically a peer pressure product - a bandaid stopgap.
The Apple TV is great....as a hobby.. no movegments there since 2010... a pity really.

..in contrast everything i listed above from the old Apple, although some may not be 'revolutionary', are all clearly BETTER, innovative and exciting.
and based on the rumors, nothing's coming!


The Galaxy S4 has 8 processors. 8. The iPhone could only fit 2... 4 small ones to keep battery life up during non intensive tasks, and 4 big ones to power demanding tasks. When was the last time you saw apple do THAT level of cutting edge innovation? Say what you want about quality, they may lack in execution but Samsung is not short of their own ideas. Have you ever used a Galaxy S3 or the S4? That thing is HEAVY with exclusive features.
What you said would have been valid during the time of old Apple - 2009-2010...but now? If anything, Apple is now copying Samsung and Android!

Yeah, I've used a Galaxy S4, it's my current phone. My old iPhone 4S is FAR more responsive. Cores don't count unless they provide benefit.

Yes, how clever Samsung was to add so many cores, yet I still wait up to 2 full seconds for numbers I am dialing to appear on the screen!

I have disabled all the useless, gimmicky "features" you seem so enamored with. To borrow a term I saw earlier in this thread, you are a feature whore.
 
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apple doesnt come up with many new products because they target the masses. just everyone. they dont innovate for groups like people who love cameras or a cintiq product for people who like to draw. That is to narrow of an audience for the great and mighty apple. so be it. come out with rehashed ideas to try and target everyone.
 
I assume that the people making fun of FOX news in this thread wouldn't find any issue with the source if it came from MSNBC or CNBC.

Anyway, so the next innovation will come from the 5S. What will it have? Same sized screen. Maybe a fingerprint reader. Oooooh! Faster. Oooooooh!

I think Apple is afraid to make the next model much better than the last, and that is where is problem is. The iPad hasn't been updated in essentially a year and a half because the iPad 4 was just a little patch to the 3. While the mini sold great, it still was an iPad 2 essentially. So we have to wait another year for the 6 to upgrade the screen because they can't do that in just an S upgrade? Please...

Some of you rip on a feature like an IR blaster but if the iPhone added that in the 5S before Samsung did, Apple fans would be drooling over that feature.

Apple needs to do something that can convince an Android user to come to the iPhone. You won't get there with a 4" screen. There are iPhone users getting tried with it and while once dedicated to the iPhone, they may consider an Android. One and the Moto X are great phones.
 
It's Fox News people! Are we really going to put any "stock" in what they have to say about, well... anything!

It has nothing to do with the story coming from Fox. Plenty of others news outlets report questionable stuff about Apple too.
 
I feel bad for Tim Cook.

I don't. Tim Cook is paid handsomely to be Apple's CEO. If Tim didn't think he could do the job, he could have declined.

Steve Jobs is being idealized a bit too much, I think. Give poor Tim a break, everyone.

Some people may gloss over Steve's bad traits, but he deserves the praise he gets. The Macintosh, NeXTstations, NeXTSTEP -> OS X, iPod, iTunes Store, iLife, iPhone, Macbook Air, Mac mini, iPad. I'm probably forgetting stuff, but those are all major innovations and successes for Steve (and teams).

The jury is still out on Tim. He's a great operations guy, shown some leadership in social issues Steve ignored, and has made some good executive decisions. But can he really drive innovation in the way Jobs did? Or I should instead ask, can Ive/Mansfield drive innovation the way Jobs did, because I think Cook wants to stay out of that and hope the golden boys can deliver the hits. Cook knows he's not a visionary and isn't trying to be. I think Cook has empowered the right people, and it's up to them to deliver.

I will say though that I don't think Cook is properly investing in Big Data to power Apple services the way that Google has been and will continue to. Apple has only historically dipped its toes in web services, usually to poor results (Mobile Me, iCloud). Maps was a big failure for Cook because it was a failure to understand the problem. Forstall was an easy scapegoat because Ive and Mansfield hated him anyway, but he was set up for failure to an extent because the data to drive a great Maps product wasn't there, and still isn't really there. This will continue to be the case as long as Apple thinks it can offer new services by simply packaging white-labelled data from 3rd parties with a pretty UI.
 
Um, aside his executive level experience at Apple, IBM and Compaq, Tim Cook went to pretty good schools for undergrad and to get his MBA.

You work at a phone store.

Maybe you should temper your indignation just a little.

Ya I work at a phone store, where people buy phones. Having a Ivy League education doesn't turn a 4" screen into a 5" like millions of people have requested, yet Tim thinks he knows what is better for people. Just telling it how it is.
 
Neither of those were segment changers at their release like the iPhone, iPad, iPod were.

Air set the stage for lighter laptops but it took years for it to catch on.

The 2008 air was terrible. The late 2010 air was a game changer.

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I don't. Tim Cook is paid handsomely to be Apple's CEO. If Tim didn't think he could do the job, he could have declined.



Some people may gloss over Steve's bad traits, but he deserves the praise he gets. The Macintosh, NeXTstations, NeXTSTEP -> OS X, iPod, iTunes Store, iLife, iPhone, Macbook Air, Mac mini, iPad. I'm probably forgetting stuff, but those are all major innovations and successes for Steve (and teams).

The jury is still out on Tim. He's a great operations guy, shown some leadership in social issues Steve ignored, and has made some good executive decisions. But can he really drive innovation in the way Jobs did? Or I should instead ask, can Ive/Mansfield drive innovation the way Jobs did, because I think Cook wants to stay out of that and hope the golden boys can deliver the hits. Cook knows he's not a visionary and isn't trying to be. I think Cook has empowered the right people, and it's up to them to deliver.

I will say though that I don't think Cook is properly investing in Big Data to power Apple services the way that Google has been and will continue to. Apple has only historically dipped its toes in web services, usually to poor results (Mobile Me, iCloud). Maps was a big failure for Cook because it was a failure to understand the problem. Forstall was an easy scapegoat because Ive and Mansfield hated him anyway, but he was set up for failure to an extent because the data to drive a great Maps product wasn't there, and still isn't really there. This will continue to be the case as long as Apple thinks it can offer new services by simply packaging white-labelled data from 3rd parties with a pretty UI.

Ummm Ives and team were responsible for many of Steve's if not all of Steve's successes. Do you really think maps was a project done overnight? Steve Jobs worked on it, iCloud and the colossal failure that was mobile me and the 2008 mac book air. Lets not act like everything was roses when steve was running the show. He stubbornly dismissed the smaller tablet form factor only to let samsung and amazon and google offer them up first instead of just putting them out. Also, i think that Apple should go too far in out pacing the market on innovation. When thy can do big things sure do them. However, Id rather see them deliver a great product than rush unfinished stuff out the door. In the case of Siri and maps you have to start from somewhere. Steves big mistake was not investing in big data when he was alive. Tim inherited Steves mistakes and is working to correct the mistakes of steve jobs past.

These are greedy investors trying to get the stock price down so they can buy up more shares and pressure cook into catering to them rather than providing value for the customers.
 
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Disagree.....

How about Logic Pro X? That one came out of nowhere and it's getting practically universally great reviews with the musicians I've seen using it! The only complaints I've heard so far are from people bellyaching that they actually have to BUY it again after they bought Logic Pro 9. (Cry me a river....)

iWork? Yep, they neglected that for a while, but I thought Apple just recently said it's getting an update announced later this year? Really, I think most of its users haven't had a reason to switch to anything else, even if it's been a while since it was upgraded. (I know my workplace uses Keynote all the time for presentations, and just because Microsoft has a newer Office with newer PowerPoint didn't really give them any good reasons to switch back to it.)

I'm lost on your complaint about iPad product cycles? I think Apple would be crazy to accelerate iPad releases any more than they do them now! People invest in a whole infrastructure with the iPad, and it angers them if all the accessories are quickly obsoleted. (EG. I bought an iKiip so my iPad could clip onto a mic stand for use with my music gear. But when I moved to a new iPad Miini, that's rendered useless since it can't clip onto a smaller iPad. Had to buy a new case for the iPad mini too, and of course all my existing dock connector USB charging/sync cables were useless too since they moved to the lightning connector. My existing camera connection kit adapters? Same issue there.) People who went retina iPad had issues too.... lots of software they had to buy again to get a retina compatible version.

I've tinkered with Aperture but I'm not a pro photographer, so iPhoto combined with some shareware like GraphicsConverter really does everything I need in that area. Still, I don't think Aperture is "irrelevant" with the people who use it? It sounds like photo cataloging and versioning and retrieval are part of what it's all about for them .... That plus working in RAW format with the photos throughout the whole editing process and having more advanced color control than most iPhoto users care to mess around with. I'm pretty sure Adobe Lightroom is the only real competitor there -- and I don't think Lightroom took away the whole market from Apple yet?


Last Aperture refresh? Doesn't matter. It's an irrelevant product now. Just make it iPhoto and kill that other garbage iPhoto app.

iPhoto for iOS? Could not POSSIBLY be more confusing as far as library management is concerned. Actually this is a problem system-wide.

Final Cut X? Pretty much alienated everyone with that one.

Last iWork refresh? Almost 3 years ago. It has poor Office compatibility, and the iOS and desktop versions aren't even very compatible.

iRadio? Hasn't even launched, already irrelevant because there are far better services out there which offer more control + social capabilities.

Mavericks isn't really amazing. Missed opportunity there.

rMBP? Underpowered and not ready for prime-time.

iPad product cycle is insanely long, with very few (or no) new features.

Maps? Don't even get me started. Now that lovely virus is built into Mavericks.

Apple has dropped the ball on software. Their product launches are too far apart and availability is constrained, killing sales. They don't seem to understand web services at all. Anything with social features built into it is an afterthought with them.

Real AppleTV? That's Bigfoot.

Love Apple. Alarmed by the past year.
 
Create a certification arm or process for core apps, once certified the 3rd party app can be chosen as default. Maps, browser, mail client, etc.

Creat certification arm or process for messaging apps. Once certified, it plugs into the core. I want to Call or FaceTime or Skype or whatsapp my friend seamlessly.

For iPad, make use of the real estate, it shouldn't just be icons upon icons. Time for widgets, live tiles, app snapping, whatever. Invent something.
 
Ya I work at a phone store, where people buy phones. Having a Ivy League education doesn't turn a 4" screen into a 5" like millions of people have requested, yet Tim thinks he knows what is better for people. Just telling it how it is.

Slightly off-topic but Cook never went to an ivy league school ;)
 
It's Fox News people! Are we really going to put any "stock" in what they have to say about, well... anything!

Hey, Fox Business Network.

I took a giant poop this morning. It contains more kernels of truth than anything you've ever "reported" on.

Oxymorons.
 
It's Fox News people! Are we really going to put any "stock" in what they have to say about, well... anything!

I love how your brain just shuts off when you see the words "Fox News". Tons of stories are reported by both Fox News and your favorite corrupt media outlet, but I guess it's still nonsense, right?

As I've said before, they may be owned by the same folks, but FBN is not Fox News. They have different purposes for existing. One is for news, the other is for business (I know, shocker).

Oh hey look, another!
Hey, Fox Business Network.

I took a giant poop this morning. It contains more kernels of truth than anything you've ever "reported" on.

Oxymorons.
 
Innovation is EXACTLY like an Alaskan dog-sled, you just scream scream "mush" and it goes faster! Oh, wait, it's nothing like that.
 
Really? On Verizon over 50% of smartphone activations last quarter were iPhones. Same for AT&T

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...phones-in-q2-54-of-68m-total-smartphone-sales

While Sprint doesn't say the percentage they sold a boatload of iPhones:

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/07/30/sprint-sold-1-4m-iphones-in-q2-2013/

Even T-Mobile sold a boatload of them:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/08/08/the-which-and-why-of-t-mobiles-iphone-sales-bump/

Oh, and there's this one for the USA:
http://www.zdnet.com/nielsen-tries-...winning-the-u-s-smartphone-market-7000019067/

Note Apple's 40% to Samsung's 24%

So tell me who is outselling who?

Every time I see the huge Samsung phone I wonder who carries that thing in their pocket. The Droid X I had was about the limit for size for me. I don't want people to say "Is that a phone in your pocket or are you happy to see me?" or look like a jackass holding a huge phone to my ear.

just like the baseball competition is called the 'world' series because it includes all of america right? :rolleyes:

Yeah, I've used a Galaxy S4, it's my current phone. My old iPhone 4S is FAR more responsive. Cores don't count unless they provide benefit.

Yes, how clever Samsung was to add so many cores, yet I still wait up to 2 full seconds for numbers I am dialing to appear on the screen!

I have disabled all the useless, gimmicky "features" you seem so enamored with. To borrow a term I saw earlier in this thread, you are a feature whore.

dont get your panties in a knot sweetheart. actually read what i said, dont get caught up with emotions. it's not so much about the number of cores or the number of features. its that theyre doing something NEW. and theyre continually improving, ala old Apple.
read slower, at your own pace if you want. just as long as you understand. no rush.
 
I love how your brain just shuts off when you see the words "Fox News". Tons of stories are reported by both Fox News and your favorite corrupt media outlet, but I guess it's still nonsense, right?

As I've said before, they may be owned by the same folks, but FBN is not Fox News. They have different purposes for existing. One is for news, the other is for business (I know, shocker).

Oh hey look, another!
The same corrupt faces I see on Fox News I also see on the fox business network. These people are trying to get the average joe to sell their stock in a well run company with loads of cash so they can rake in all the dough.
 
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