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WTF who are they comparing Apple to? The company who keep making their screens bigger and bigger? Or the search company that does everything in the damn dictionary and labels it BETA?
 
Innovation is not something that you just do. It takes time, and is better if it's "organic" than forced.

Years ago, a newbie MBA wrote a memo to the senior scientists in a telecommunications research lab to, "Give us a schedule of your breakthroughs for the next year for us to coordinate." She was laughed out of the corporate R&D Liaison Office and moved to managing distributors of completed products.

When Steve came back to Apple, he helped clean out the board of directors whom intentionally blocked many deals they felt would compromise their personal stock portfolios and other board seats. Is another Board of Directors house cleaning in need?
 
just like the baseball competition is called the 'world' series because it includes all of america right? :rolleyes:



dont get your panties in a knot sweetheart. actually read what i said, dont get caught up with emotions. it's not so much about the number of cores or the number of features. its that theyre doing something NEW. and theyre continually improving, ala old Apple.
read slower, at your own pace if you want. just as long as you understand. no rush.
New features dont matter if they dont do them well or I have to turn them all off to make the phone somewhat stable and usable for basic functions.
 
The same corrupt faces I see on Fox News I also see on the fox business network. These people are trying to get the average joe to sell their stock in a well run company with loads of cash so they can rake in all the dough.

That sentence alone makes me believe you don't have any clue how the stock market works. You don't sell your stock into a company, you buy stock in it. I could show you just as much corruption (if not more) in any news outlet you mention, so go ahead, throw one at me and I'll make a nice tidy list for you of all the corrupt goings on.
 
The same corrupt faces I see on Fox News I also see on the fox business network. These people are trying to get the average joe to sell their stock in a well run company with loads of cash so they can rake in all the dough.

It is not just some folks at Fox working the FUD lines, almost every "business" reporter has something invested in the side with a short sell be it right of left wing. A few liberal news outlets had a field day shorting nuclear and defense business stocks for decades.
 
That sentence alone makes me believe you don't have any clue how the stock market works. You don't sell your stock into a company, you buy stock in it. I could show you just as much corruption (if not more) in any news outlet you mention, so go ahead, throw one at me and I'll make a nice tidy list for you of all the corrupt goings on.
I have a degree in finance and know full well how the stock markets work. When anyone sells their stock they sell it to someone else who thinks its worth what the stock is being sold for.

Im sorry but Fox News is known around the world for having a reckless disregard for the facts. When other stations make mistakes they go out of their way to correct the record. On Fox News and FBN the say its infotainment or editorial jounalism or dont correct the record at all.
 
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So who else has innovated recently?

This century, the "innovative" products have been the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and the ultrabook (aka MacBook Air).

I'm really struggling to think of a single other tech product made by *any* company this century that's been comparable to any of those four -- i.e. created a new product type (or made an existing niche product type into a major seller).
 
That sentence alone makes me believe you don't have any clue how the stock market works. You don't sell your stock into a company, you buy stock in it.
So... if you only can buy stock and never can sell it, how exactly is it that anyone ever makes money off it?
 
I didn't want to read through everyone's responses. But thank God they realize they need to innovate!!! Honestly, what's been innovative since the ORIGINAL iPhone?? The iPad is just a bigger version, laptops are still similar, computers similar. Apple has completely changed as a company.

Good for the board to recognize. Stop pleasing the masses and stock holders and create something new. That's what they're all about...
 
Google, e.g., Google Glass; Microsoft, e.g. Surface Pro; and Samsung and Nokia insofar as they were first to introduce features that haven't been seen on other smartphones, eg NFC, IR Blaster, 41 MP Camera, f1.8 camera.

Maybe Google Glass is sort of innovative, but I am not sure it is very practical. Time will tell. Your other examples are really not examples of groundbreaking technologies. What Wall Street seems to want from Apple is innovative new or redefined product categories. The gist of the rumor is that this is what the board wants, too. I don't think there is much truth behind this story, though.
 
Innovate? They haven't done that in years unless you consider a new coat of paint on an againg OS innovative.

Personally I'd settle for updated MacBook Retina and iMac computers with the latest chips from Intel. What's the holdup?!?
 
Ya I work at a phone store, where people buy phones. Having a Ivy League education doesn't turn a 4" screen into a 5" like millions of people have requested, yet Tim thinks he knows what is better for people. Just telling it how it is.

Millions of people have requested a 5"screen on the iPhone? Please provide your source.
 
just like the baseball competition is called the 'world' series because it includes all of america right? :rolleyes:



dont get your panties in a knot sweetheart. actually read what i said, dont get caught up with emotions. it's not so much about the number of cores or the number of features. its that theyre doing something NEW. and theyre continually improving, ala old Apple.
read slower, at your own pace if you want. just as long as you understand. no rush.

Touch a nerve, did I? Something new != something better. "Heavy with exclusive features" no one wants or needs or can use consistently across apps, which you also said, does not equal innovation or continuous improvement.

Let's talk about your feeble cores argument. Who is to say toggling an additional 4 cores is more innovative than running two cores? Which phone is more responsive? Which phone has dozens of Google links on how to make it more responsive? And finally, which has the better battery life (hint: I have both and won't be fooled)?

Even though you pretend to talk about continuous improvement you are just another Fandroid in a spec war.
 
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New features dont matter if they dont do them well or I have to turn them all off to make the phone somewhat stable and usable for basic functions.

No but they do!
How many 'failed' new features did Apple come up with back in the day? The Cube? The Puck Mouse? The Original Apple TV? The iPod Hi-Fi? They all came from the Apple that brought you the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad...
Keep innovating and eventually, after all the failures, successes emerge. That won't happen if all you do is your day-job and issue spec bumps after spec bumps - Apple now.
 
iPhone needs a bigger screen

I am an Apple fan and have spent a fortune on Apple products over the years...but even I will admit the iPhone design is looking very dated. Needs the following to regain the smart phone innovation lead:

- Eliminate the home button
- Eliminate the bezel
- Larger wider screen
- Thinner design...where is that tapered design from a couple of years ago?!
- Dual speakers...for true stereo sound - the current speaker design sucks.

The 5S is going to be a let down - and the reality that we have at least 13 months before the 6 comes out - is very depressing. Apple has serious problems if they just release a plastic iPhone and a 5S with a finger print scanner...The stock will deserve to tank.
 
No but they do!
How many 'failed' new features did Apple come up with back in the day? The Cube? The Puck Mouse? The Original Apple TV? The iPod Hi-Fi? They all came from the Apple that brought you the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad...
Keep innovating and eventually, after all the failures, successes emerge. That won't happen if all you do is your day job and issue spec bumps after spec bumps - Apple now.

Or in the case of the tablet and the phone you let other suckers waste their money then introduce something that fixes the problems the others failed to address.
 
Scott Forstall

Maps was a big failure for Cook because it was a failure to understand the problem. Forstall was an easy scapegoat because Ive and Mansfield hated him anyway, but he was set up for failure to an extent because the data to drive a great Maps product wasn't there, and still isn't really there. This will continue to be the case as long as Apple thinks it can offer new services by simply packaging white-labelled data from 3rd parties with a pretty UI.

I still don't understand the need to discharge Scott Forstall. He's a talented software engineer. Apple needs talent. I've read that he was a difficult personality. Not a good reason if he could produce.

The entire issue seemed very political to me. A public apology? Why? If Maps was rolled out half baked that's Cook's responsibility. He is CEO.

I was chatting with an Apple Store employee a few weeks ago. He's very congenial and we talk frequently as the store is not terribly busy. The topic was Forstall.

Store employee said that Scott refused to play the way management wanted and apologize. I offered that had that happened on Steve's watch, Steve would have told us we are using Maps incorrectly. The necessary patch would have been written without fanfare. End of issue.

My friend at Apple grinned very broadly quickly turning his face away until he could lose the grin. We went on with the rest of our conversation.

Why was Scott Forstall discharged really? I often wonder.
 
iPhone 2007

iPad 2010

Where was all the screaming and gnashing of teeth between those years?

No one had any clue about the iPhone and iPad before release date so all of you haven't a clue of what Apple has up it's sleeve.

Not very accurate. There had been rumours of an iPhone for 3 or 4 years before it came out. Rumours of an Apple tablet started in early 2008.

The difference between now and then is the person in charge. For some reason the markets believed the sun shone out of Job' backside more than a lot of deluded fans on here.

All of the products that would have had any possible influence from Jobs have been and gone, with the possible exception of the 2013 Mac Pro.

Before anyone says "he left 5 years worth of products", that is nothing more than a guess from a poster on a forum.

Cook is now on his own as CEO, it is down to him. Hopefully Apple will not go down the same route the last time a bean counter was in charge.
 
The Galaxy S4 has 8 processors. 8. The iPhone could only fit 2... 4 small ones to keep battery life up during non intensive tasks, and 4 big ones to power demanding tasks. When was the last time you saw apple do THAT level of cutting edge innovation? Say what you want about quality, they may lack in execution but Samsung is not short of their own ideas. Have you ever used a Galaxy S3 or the S4? That thing is HEAVY with exclusive features.

Throwing in 8 processors in a phone and calling it cutting edge does not make it innovative. Several questions come to mind. What kind of software are you running in a mobile phone that needs that many to begin with? Or are they really needed?

To me tweaking the OS so to make more efficient use of less hardware with longer battery life is a better option.

Or even putting in a better GPU that reduces the amount of processing cores needed.

I've watched the Samsung S4 Keynote address and felt it was just a minor spec bump with some new features, most that felt more gimmicky than particularly useful.
 
Do More!!

Yeah, I agree. With all that money and engineers and tech-heads, why haven't they developed other products that make sense.

Wireless programmable home thermostats

wireless programmable microwaves

wireless programmable garage door openers

smart surveillance equipment

an auto in-dash smart Apple receiver

Apple programmable RC cars, ships, planes

all-electric programmable scooters and motorcycles......

There's just a ton of things Apple can create, slap the Apple logo on it, and sell boatloads of it.

:):):):)

Heck, why not start working on a real life robot avatar that could go to work for you, while you stay at home!?
 
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yeah..... one needs to draw a line between marketing and final product. Mavericks apart from dropping the lion theme, is what I would consider a service pack release, not a new OS.

Mavericks is the beginning of the future of OSX, the redesign comes next year :cool:
 
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Lenovo came out with a 27" tablet. Not exactly going to revolutionize the world, but it sure is a bold new idea!

Wacom brought the idea of large touch screens long ago. It's not technically new. They go from 13" to 24". The 24" has a nice adjustable stand.
 
Sadly no compelling new products (that we know of) are in the pipeline. Nothing that will have a huge impact like the iPhone and iPad did.

Well, as I recall, a LOT of people turned their noses up at the iPad, saying it was just a bigger iPhone and that it would never catch on. So I think our (i.e., us on the forum) track record for recognizing "revolutionary" products isn't particularly good.
 
The same corrupt faces I see on Fox News I also see on the fox business network. These people are trying to get the average joe to sell their stock in a well run company with loads of cash so they can rake in all the dough.

Yes and no. Remember, Fox Business and the WSJ were owned by the same company 6 weeks ago. The same family still runs both. You won't find hard-core leftists on Fox Business, but at the same time they still want to get the scoop. Business doesn't care about your politics. They just want to make money.

At the same time, my experience has been that business journalists know only slightly more about business than regular journalists, which is to say not that much. This could be overblown. A good board of directors is questioning of management. The last two years of Apple (and Samsung, for that matter) has been mostly incremental updates. This happens sometimes in tech, but the board would be right to make sure that management is keeping up the pace in terms of true innovation. Tim Cook isn't a product visionary. Steve Jobs admitted as much in his official biography. Cooks is a decent CEO and a good administrator. But he needs a product visionary. Maybe it's Jony Ive or Bob Mansfield. If it's not them, it needs to be somebody. The world isn't standing still, and Apple will need to enter new markets in relatively short order if it is to see its stock price grow again.
 
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