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The retina MacBooks are the wrong darn resolution. The 15" is effectively 1440x900 and the 13" is 1280x800. How is that innovation? The 15" needed to be at least 3360x2100 (1680x1050) and the 13" needed to be at least 2880x1800 (1440x900). I found all the retina MacBooks to be useless because, ironically, in retina mode there's not enough damn real estate to work with!

It's innovation because they are NOT at that resolution....And you can scale the display, and still have a much greater pixel density than(at the time of release) any laptop on the market....
 
Im not sure what Apple is doing and the board doesnt know for sure either. We dont even know the level of truth in the story. Plus Jobs' wasnt the source of innovation and hasnt been for years. Its actually the team he worked with. Why didnt Steve Jobs pick Ives to be his successor or one of the others but elect to pick Cook? Maybe they need an administrator at this time. I think people give Steve too much credit for Apple's success and really diminishes all the other people who were really the ones responsible.
 
I feel bad for Tim Cook. People have these wacky expectations for him to push Apple to bring something new and innovative to the table every year because they think if Jobs was still in charge he would.

I think folks need to really look at how quickly new innovations came out of Apple under Steve Jobs. The iPod came out in 2001 and really only saw relatively minor spec bumps and some casing redesigns all the way up to 2007 when the iPod Touch came out. None of those spec bumps or case redesigns were considered all that innovated (at least not by me). So then the iPhone also came out in 2007 and that was innovative. Then what? The iPad in 2009 was probably the next big "innovative" thing.

Steve Jobs is being idealized a bit too much, I think. Give poor Tim a break, everyone.

The transition from the giant iPod classic with physically rotating click wheel in 2001 to the ipod nano constitutes as a "case redesign"? Did they just grab the parts from the ipod classic as slap it into the 2006 ipod nano, B&W screen and all lol. Also, ipad was introduced in '10 not '09.
 
When other companies copy Apple, they are garbage and can't innovate.
When Apple's own board has a legitimate concern shared by the general public about Apple's lack of innovation, "it takes time" or "should not be rushed".

Lol you people saying this are like the ultimate Apple worshipers.
 
Fear not folks... The iPhone 5S will have a finger print sensor.
 
I have a degree in finance and know full well how the stock markets work. When anyone sells their stock they sell it to someone else who thinks its worth what the stock is being sold for.

Im sorry but Fox News is known around the world for having a reckless disregard for the facts. When other stations make mistakes they go out of their way to correct the record. On Fox News and FBN the say its infotainment or editorial jounalism or dont correct the record at all.

Yes and no. CNBC has that idiot Cramer on. He's all about self-promotion. True, Fox Business is a sounding board for conservatives and libertarians, but they don't really have a political reason to make Apple look bad. Laurene Powell Jobs may be a liberal, but she has as much to do with Apple these days as you or I do. Tim Cook has given no public clue whatsoever where his politics lie. Rush Limbaugh is an avid Mac user, for that matter.

My guess is that there is some chatter among some on the board. That's actually a good thing. The board is supposed to challenge the CEO. They probably didn't do enough of that in the Jobs era. Tim Cook doesn't have a personality cult around him the way that billionaire founder CEOs like Jobs, Gates, or Zuckerberg do. So board members feel a bit more open in their dissent.
 
MANY companies inside Silicon Valley are making groundbreaking and exciting research. FEW companies actually translate that into groundbreaking, transformative PRODUCTS.

There's a big difference between technology and products. The Oculus Rift is a very exciting piece of technology, it is not an actual consumer product yet. The verdict will be out when they actually complete the project and ship it to consumers.

I wish people would understand that the biggest challenge in innovation is transforming bold ideas into finished products. That's the thing Apple does better than any other company in the valley. Not necessarily technology research, but designing and implementing technology into finished products.
Oh, come on. The Lenovo Horizon is already a physical product. It's been designed, constructed, shipped, sold, and even has a video review on Cnet!
I'll give you that Oculus Rift still isn't available for consumers just yet, but it's been in a form usable by developers and journalists and internet personalities since the beginning of the year. It'll probably be available in 2014 and by that time it will very likely look almost the same as it does now.
The only thing that sets Apple apart from these other companies, according to you, is you didn't see any of the development of the iPad or the iPhone. Those things were kept nice and secret until one day they were suddenly unveiled and apple stores around the world had people lining up around the block to buy it.
 
When other companies copy Apple, they are garbage and can't innovate.
When Apple's own board has a legitimate concern shared by the general public about Apple's lack of innovation, "it takes time" or "should not be rushed".

Lol you people saying this are like the ultimate Apple worshipers.

This forum is the general public? lol. General public just wants a nice product that works, they don't expect something new every year. Also, you're acting as if Apple own board has made a public statement through a news conference. This is a report done by a third party.
 
I still don't understand the need to discharge Scott Forstall. He's a talented software engineer. Apple needs talent. I've read that he was a difficult personality. Not a good reason if he could produce.

The entire issue seemed very political to me. A public apology? Why? If Maps was rolled out half baked that's Cook's responsibility. He is CEO.

I was chatting with an Apple Store employee a few weeks ago. He's very congenial and we talk frequently as the store is not terribly busy. The topic was Forstall.

Store employee said that Scott refused to play the way management wanted and apologize. I offered that had that happened on Steve's watch, Steve would have told us we are using Maps incorrectly. The necessary patch would have been written without fanfare. End of issue.

My friend at Apple grinned very broadly quickly turning his face away until he could lose the grin. We went on with the rest of our conversation.

Why was Scott Forstall discharged really? I often wonder.
But wasn't it Scott Forstall that demoed a perfectly flawless maps app at WWDC? He had no problem taking credit for it then. Of course we'll never know for sure why Forstall was let go but all rumors point to him being incredibly difficult to work with. And I also read he'd often dress down other employees by saying "Steve wouldn't have..." Perhaps he was too obsessed with "what would Steve do" and Cook felt it was time to move on and start Apple 3.0
 
Im not sure what Apple is doing and the board doesnt know for sure either. We dont even know the level of truth in the story. Plus Jobs' wasnt the source of innovation and hasnt been for years. Its actually the team he worked with. Why didnt Steve Jobs pick Ives to be his successor or one of the others but elect to pick Cook? Maybe they need an administrator at this time. I think people give Steve too much credit for Apple's success and really diminishes all the other people who were really the ones responsible.

Jony Ive isn't CEO material. That's not a knock. Most of us aren't, and good CEOs often make terrible designers or technicians. Ive is right where he needs to be. Steve Jobs was the rare CEO who knew design, fashion, technology, and leadership. Being fired in 1985 helped in that regard. Tim Cook is a more typical CEO. He's good at operations and trusts his team with the details.
 
This forum is the general public? lol. General public just wants a nice product that works, they don't expect something new every year. Also, you're acting as if Apple own board has made a public statement through a news conference. This is a report done by a third party.


You make no sense. I meant that the general public's opinion is that Apple IS lacking innovation as of late. I was simply implying that the board does have legitimate concerns because it's true, whether or not they make an announcement (I didn't even make a point of that either because there is none).

People here act like the board shouldn't feel this way cause innovation takes time etc. All of a sudden, just cause its Apple innovation shouldn't be rushed, yet when other companies cannot innovate themselves it's because they're garbage.

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You make no sense. I meant that the general public's opinion is that Apple IS lacking innovation as of late. I was simply implying that the board does have legitimate concerns because it's true, whether or not they make an announcement (I didn't even make a point of that either because there is none).

People here act like the board shouldn't feel this way cause innovation takes time etc. All of a sudden, just cause its Apple innovation shouldn't be rushed, yet when other companies cannot innovate themselves it's because they're garbage.

And I just noticed your username....why did I even bother responding to you. Clearly we all know which side you'll be rushing to defend.
 
So what other companies are innovating brand new revolutionary products and ideas? Microsoft Surface, the S4? Really?

Apple is in control of when a tech game changer comes to market, until then. We all are all just waiting. :apple:
 
it's not so much about the number of cores or the number of features. its that theyre doing something NEW. and theyre continually improving, ala old Apple.
read slower, at your own pace if you want. just as long as you understand. no rush.

Well if even that is not innovation then Apple is truly screwed.
I understand that specs aren't innovation. But being able to put 8 cores in a phone when Apple could only put 2, is BIG feat.
Sure, it may not be effective as Android is not optimized. But when was the last time Apple did THAT big a job? They've been coasting!

Just because they can put that many cores in a phone does not mean they should. Needs to have some reasoning behind it.

Not only does the operating system need to be optimized for multicore so does the applications that use it.

Doing something "New" does not always make it better or an improvement.

Just look at Microsoft. They have been doing quite a lot of new things, but they are far off the mark.
 
The transition from the giant iPod classic with physically rotating click wheel in 2001 to the ipod nano constitutes as a "case redesign"? Did they just grab the parts from the ipod classic as slap it into the 2006 ipod nano, B&W screen and all lol. Also, ipad was introduced in '10 not '09.

Sony and others had smaller mp3 players before Apple had smaller iPods. No complaint about innovations then. Sometimes you get lucky alot and then you have a slow period and then you get lucky alot again. Most of the major hardware innovations in the last 30 years that caught on with the public were the direct result of Apple. That is regardless of the CEO or Apples financial position.
 
I still don't understand the need to discharge Scott Forstall. He's a talented software engineer. Apple needs talent. I've read that he was a difficult personality. Not a good reason if he could produce.

The entire issue seemed very political to me. A public apology? Why? If Maps was rolled out half baked that's Cook's responsibility. He is CEO.

I was chatting with an Apple Store employee a few weeks ago. He's very congenial and we talk frequently as the store is not terribly busy. The topic was Forstall.

Store employee said that Scott refused to play the way management wanted and apologize. I offered that had that happened on Steve's watch, Steve would have told us we are using Maps incorrectly. The necessary patch would have been written without fanfare. End of issue.

My friend at Apple grinned very broadly quickly turning his face away until he could lose the grin. We went on with the rest of our conversation.

Why was Scott Forstall discharged really? I often wonder.

I am sure your friend at an Apple Store really has the inside scoop on Forstall's departure! ;)
 
So what other companies are innovating brand new revolutionary products and ideas? Microsoft Surface, the S4? Really?

Apple is in control of when a tech game changer comes to market, until then. We all are all just waiting. :apple:

I thought the touch and type covers were pretty innovative, and I'm quite sure many agree. W8 OS is also innovative in its own unique ways. Sure it hasn't been as widely embraced but I wouldn't say it wasn't innovative at all just because it isn't made by Apple.

Can't say the same about the S4
 
Jony Ive isn't CEO material. That's not a knock. Most of us aren't, and good CEOs often make terrible designers or technicians. Ive is right where he needs to be. Steve Jobs was the rare CEO who knew design, fashion, technology, and leadership. Being fired in 1985 helped in that regard. Tim Cook is a more typical CEO. He's good at operations and trusts his team with the details.

Exactly. You want guys like Ive and Mansfield right where they are, doing what they do best.

What I don't get is - if Cook is so bad, how come none of these executives have left (outside of Forstall who was fired)? If they don't agree with Cook's leadership why not leave? They all have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure just about any other tech company would hire them in a minute. What's keeping them at Apple if Apple is as doomed as some claim?
 
We are all concerned. Stockholders, employees, and customers.

Think about it. It's a Board of Director's job to be concerned about a tech company's ability to innovate ALL THE TIME. They are doing their job. The only surprising thing here is that we are hearing about the leak, and so the drama level goes up quite a bit.
 
Exactly. You want guys like Ive and Mansfield right where they are, doing what they do best.

What I don't get is - if Cook is so bad, how come none of these executives have left (outside of Forstall who was fired)? If they don't agree with Cook's leadership why not leave? They all have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure just about any other tech company would hire them in a minute. What's keeping them at Apple if Apple is as doomed as some claim?

I would like to see the people who are complaining about Cook give their suggestion on who to take over for him.

Im not sure what Apple is doing and the board doesnt know for sure either.

I'm sure the way it went down is the reporter asked a board member if he was concerned about innovation at Apple. The board member replied that of course he was concerned about innovation at Apple. Write it out of context = story everyone will read / watch.
 
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I am sure your friend at an Apple Store really has the inside scoop on Forstall's departure! ;)


My question was sincere. The gent at Apple and I have been around long enough not to know everything. We have seen ups and downs enjoying products introduced during the tenure of several Apple CEOs.

Thank you for responding. Your input is appreciated.
 
Exactly. You want guys like Ive and Mansfield right where they are, doing what they do best.

What I don't get is - if Cook is so bad, how come none of these executives have left (outside of Forstall who was fired)? If they don't agree with Cook's leadership why not leave? They all have more money than they'll ever know what to do with. And I'm sure just about any other tech company would hire them in a minute. What's keeping them at Apple if Apple is as doomed as some claim?

I don't think it's that Cook is so bad. Maybe, and most likely, he just isn't the visionary and leader that Steve was. Neither are any of the other execs, hence they can't really leave and fault Cook because they can't replicate Steve themselves.
 
I thought the touch and type covers were pretty innovative, and I'm quite sure many agree. W8 OS is also innovative in its own unique ways. Sure it hasn't been as widely embraced but I wouldn't say it wasn't innovative at all just because it isn't made by Apple.

Can't say the same about the S4

Have you used a touch one? That is simply the most awful keyboard in existence. Essentially Microsoft took an iPad Smart cover and tried to put a touch sensor in it.

Why do you think so many people have been asking Microsoft to allow people to disable Metro interface on startup? It is simply not something people want. Especially those who use mouse as input as opposed to touch screen.
 
I still don't understand the need to discharge Scott Forstall. He's a talented software engineer. Apple needs talent. I've read that he was a difficult personality. Not a good reason if he could produce.

Ive was Steve's creative soulmate at Apple. Mansfield is their hardware engineering titan, beloved by everyone. From what I've read, Ive and Mansfield would not be in the same meeting as Forstall, such disdain for him they had. That's a dysfunctional executive team, and that has really, really bad consequences. What was Tim to do? He chose the guy who had just screwed up a major product release and who was the most replaceable out of those three.

Store employee said that Scott refused to play the way management wanted and apologize. I offered that had that happened on Steve's watch, Steve would have told us we are using Maps incorrectly. The necessary patch would have been written without fanfare. End of issue.

Antennagate affected a vocal minority. Maps affected basically EVERYONE using an iOS device. On top of that it was a very publicly visible one-to-one comparison between a Google product and an Apple product. To the world, it looked like Apple was faltering, that it couldn't at least match Google's product. That's a much larger PR problem than a hardware design flaw. Steve knew that, and I don't think he would've let Maps out the door in that state. So that's on Tim.

But Maps is fundamentally not an engineering problem, but a data problem. Apple gets the Maps data from 3rd-party sources, and a lot of that data is poor to terrible. You can't just patch that in. Google spent years getting their map data to be excellent, with their mapping cars and ground truth teams. Apple foolishly/arrogantly thought they could just license some data from other companies and match Google Maps in quality. That arrogance probably stems from Forstall, and I have a feeling Cook wasn't down in the weeds enough to know how bad Maps was, let alone understand that they couldn't just cobble together Yelp and Tom Tom data and be done.
 
Well, as I recall, a LOT of people turned their noses up at the iPad, saying it was just a bigger iPhone and that it would never catch on. So I think our (i.e., us on the forum) track record for recognizing "revolutionary" products isn't particularly good.
Very few thought the iPod was going to be a big deal at the time either. Most observers and reviews either dismissed it or gave it outright venomous reviews. The iPod might be a good analog for the hypothetical iWatch.
 
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