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Good news is there’s actually a vision for an Improved Siri and that vision has been communicated to the public. Now they just have to get there.
Apple has publicly outlined their vision for Siri several times during the past 14 years after it was introduced, but in that time they've never come very close. It still can't properly do many of the things Apple said it could do when it was released. So telling the public their new, improved, even harder to achieve (at least for Apple) vision for Siri has to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
Good to know about this. Siri needs a complete overhaul. Hopefully this happens soon. Expecting improvements to start happening with iOS 19 but may take multiple years for it to be fully developed.
 
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I had a message pop up on my Mac from my wife, saying my daughter was hurt and in hospital. I was about to jump in my car and race over there… but then I read the original message that simply said my daughter had earache and my wife was going to visit her grandfather in hospital. Safe to say I won’t be buying any Apple products again in future. It’s an utter disgrace.
 
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Was there ever any doubt?

The smart ones probably requested a transfer out of that team a year ago.
The smart ones, who are in it for the long haul, understand that 5 years from now you and most others will be wearing v3.0 Apple Vision “ Air”
 
Siri really is just a basic voice tool now. I use it for setting alarms and nothing else. They need the ChatGPT level of integration. If they could take what ChatGPT can do with voice and integrate it into MacOS/iOS they would have a winner. From what I have seen of Apple Intelligence it is really far behind and just not useful, or way too limited.
I would just like to be able to have a good voice dictation for Pages so I don’t have to type out letters anymore.

I don’t understand why I can’t use the dictation and have some AI type of AutoCorrect fix my documents
in a way that makes sense.
 
Even if you’re not using Apple Vision Pro now, if Apple continues to approve the product and its ecosystem, everybody will be using version 2.0 or 3.0 in about five years.
Having one issued to me by work, even if this thing retailed for 1/2 the price and weighed 1/2… it’d be a niche device.
 
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The Siri Super Bowl stuff is entirely dependent on the way you ask the question. If you ask BY YEAR, then the answer is always correct…”Hey Siri, who won the Super Bowl in 1996” etc.
 
The Siri Super Bowl stuff is entirely dependent on the way you ask the question. If you ask BY YEAR, then the answer is always correct…”Hey Siri, who won the Super Bowl in 1996” etc.
But the goal is (or should be) not having to be specific. If you ask someone who won the us presidential elections it’s implied you’re asking about the most recent ones.
 
Apple Intelligence just doesn't have a compelling use case. It's completely missed the AI boat with the half-baked disaster that they put out in "beta" form. Apple software development abilities are now a joke in this industry.
 
But the goal is (or should be) not having to be specific. If you ask someone who won the us presidential elections it’s implied you’re asking about the most recent ones.
Do you own products with Siri? If you ask “who won the Super Bowl” you get the most recent winner, Kansas City Chiefs.
 
I keep Siri and Apple Int. off. The day everyone raves about how useful it is, I’ll turn it on. So far that’s never happened. Siri and Apple Int. is a joke.
 
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Is it a good thing that a person from the Vision Pro team is now in charge of Siri/AI?

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Vision Pro was a total failure, with some questionable design choices
 
"it can't be about incompetence, got to be about not prioritizing it for whatever reason."

The reason is sunk costs. Apple continues to drive down into an ever darker road of "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" when it comes to Siri. I am (totoally) guessing that Siri is now so thoroughly embedded in the OS and. various Apple software that the idea of ripping it out entirely would require too many resources, too much delay. But it just keeps getting worse. I remember telling a friend more than 5 years ago that Siri might end up some day being the end of Apple as we know it, as other companies (Google) continue to move ahead of Apple until it gets to a point when Apple cannot catch up no matter what it does. It is remarkable that a company that excels at so many things could so completely miss the mark on AI by continuing to try to fix Siri.
 
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"it can't be about incompetence, got to be about not prioritizing it for whatever reason."

The reason is sunk costs. Apple continues to drive down into an ever darker road of "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" when it comes to Siri. I am (totoally) guessing that Siri is now so thoroughly embedded in the OS and. various Apple software that the idea of ripping it out entirely would require too many resources, too much delay. But it just keeps getting worse. I remember telling a friend more than 5 years ago that Siri might end up some day being the end of Apple as we know it, as other companies (Google) continue to move ahead of Apple until it gets to a point when Apple cannot catch up no matter what it does. It is remarkable that a company that excels at so many things could so completely miss the mark on AI by continuing to try to fix Siri.

I totally agree

My hope is that they have some team working on the side on something all new from the ground up

I'm honestly not optimistic that's the case though

I think if they "had something", we'd already see it .. and their AI "aint it"
 
"it can't be about incompetence, got to be about not prioritizing it for whatever reason."

The reason is sunk costs. Apple continues to drive down into an ever darker road of "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil" when it comes to Siri. I am (totoally) guessing that Siri is now so thoroughly embedded in the OS and. various Apple software that the idea of ripping it out entirely would require too many resources, too much delay. But it just keeps getting worse. I remember telling a friend more than 5 years ago that Siri might end up some day being the end of Apple as we know it, as other companies (Google) continue to move ahead of Apple until it gets to a point when Apple cannot catch up no matter what it does. It is remarkable that a company that excels at so many things could so completely miss the mark on AI by continuing to try to fix Siri.
Why do you have faith in AI from other companies when they're well known for providing incorrect information as well?
 
Yeah, I think Vision Pro is a good indicator she’s still strong in this area. Releasing Vision Pro was likely Tim Cook’s decision, but getting it to where it is from zero is still impressive regardless of if the product was really ready for prime time.

In some ways it echoes the original iPhone, not having copy paste etc. Personally I think there are hardware and form factor tradeoffs that shouldn’t have been made in the first shipping version of the headset, but they did get it out.

I’m not sure if she has domain expertise in AI or not and I think that does matter, but I also think she’s smart enough to surround herself with experts and raw feedback in a way that maybe some of these other executives have not been. I personally don’t think Tim Cook uses Siri very often, and doesn’t use competitor’s products enough to understand the potential.

We know on record that Craig used ChatGPT sometime in 2021/2022 but they still decided to ship an essentially broken and underbaked Apple Intelligence, I expect it’ll be Summer 2026 before we see a solid version of it across their platforms, assuming some of the technical hurdles even can be solved at all. Apple needs to allow WFH or start paying leading AI Computer Scientists 500k+ a year to get them to move local to the campus, actual research talent is scarce in the industry but I have seen some good papers recently from Apple so they have some people who know what they’re doing internally.

All of those people who left OpenAI etc. should be poached given the pocketbook Apple has, especially since their privacy approach probably aligns better with the values of those individuals. We’ll see.
Craig Federighi is obviously not Apple’s AI chief but he is responsible for their three biggest software platforms and they all incorporate AI. I wonder if he believed Apple Intelligence was a good enough minimum viable product they could ship or if he was getting pressure from Cook and others that they had to ship something. The thing is Wall Street doesn’t even care that Apple Intelligence isn’t that great. All they cared about was Apple execs saying ‘hey we’re doing AI too!’
 
Random engineer: we must focused on future products like AI and innovative technology.
Tim Cook: no, let's spend lots of resources in cinema productions and TV shows... and why not, let's create a brand new Apple soda. People are gonna love it
I don’t think one has anything to do with the other.
 
Craig Federighi is obviously not Apple’s AI chief but he is responsible for their three biggest software platforms and they all incorporate AI. I wonder if he believed Apple Intelligence was a good enough minimum viable product they could ship or if he was getting pressure from Cook and others that they had to ship something. The thing is Wall Street doesn’t even care that Apple Intelligence isn’t that great. All they cared about was Apple execs saying ‘hey we’re doing AI too!’
Because everyone out there has some AI enhanced OS features your seen as no longer technology progressive without that. I keep wondering when Safari will provide query summaries. Seems that could be achieved much earlier by utilizing third party search engines other then google? It’s actually embarrassing to a point IMHO.
 
Good to know about this. Siri needs a complete overhaul. Hopefully this happens soon. Expecting improvements to start happening with iOS 19 but may take multiple years for it to be fully developed.
Doesn’t need an overhaul. Needs to be removed entirely and replaced with ChatGPT, rather than having ChatGPT as a backup.
 
Apple only has one set of developers working on only one project at any given time

Sure does look that way from the consumer's perspective at least. I mean, when your biggest feature release, Apple Intelligence, limps out of the starting gate and you open the walled garden to ChatGPT to prop it up, it almost looks like their one set of developers is working on nothing at all.
 
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