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According to Fascistbook, 507 of my 676 apps were made by Apple. I knew Apple had a large software development team but sheesh, that’s impressive. 🤣 70B44767-FDEE-45B8-88AA-D7AA2C45EEBF.jpeg
 
And Dark Sky was so popular that Apple bought them so they could integrate their tech into the default Weather app. These lawsuits and studies are just silly.
 
Hahaha. Zuckerberg zucks, that is for sure. I , personally, have almost no interest in some apps like weather, calculator, clock,…… so why would I care if I ever found a better one? The few times I actually use one, I do choose convenience, so is some brainiac in Washington saying I have to look on the App Store to find one? What a waste of time

full disclosure, this is written from my Facebook phone. Lol

did you know that the kindle reader app is the most popular app on the kindle? MONOPOLY!
 
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So according to the study, calculator and clock are used more often than Facebook and YouTube? I’m calling BS!

I suspect that these numbers do not reflect the time spent in each app but rather the percentage of device owners that have used said app in a certain time window. It's a weird way to present the data but it makes sense if you want it to support Facebook's agenda.
 
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I've got an old Galaxy S7. 90% of the preinstalled apps are Samsung, not Google. Hail, it didn't even have the PlayStore. I had to install that and a host of other G-Apps. 100% of the pre-installed apps on my kid's Kindle Fire is Amazon. Again, no PlayStore or any G-Apps. I had to do some modifications to get the PlayStore on both devices.🤨
What next? A study showing that sugar is sweet?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Man, all these people with too much $$$ on their hands should do something useful with all that moolah, like campaigning to reclassify Pluto as a planet.🤓
 
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While I think Facebooks complaints are stupid. The statistics/data they collected is interesting and does paint an interesting, and potentially anti-trust picture. (if we go by the same standards that the world used to back when Microsoft was being sued).

with first party apps clearly being the most dominant apps on each platform (and there's valid reasons for that case), it does show that for competition to Apple's apps, it's an uphil battle, where apple (and even google) have a competitive advantage at the Application level and monetization of those.

As an example of what the data points to:

Lets say you're trying to start up a new music streaming service. not only are you competing directly against Apple's pre-installed first party App, but you're also automatically at a financial disadvantage due to 30%/15% payment processor requirement. A new upstart might need to charge 12.99 or more for break even, or profitability, while Apple's pre-isntalled first party app they directly advertise and recommend only costs 9.99, with 100% of the proceeds going to Apple.

this is the point th at a lot of the posers in the first page seem to conveniently ignore so they can make some lame comment attacking facebook. Facebook is a bad company, but the data here (if accurate) does paint a troubling picture that both Apple and Google have essentially taken a near monopoly by having their first party service applications pre-bundled and top hits on their respective stores. whther you want to admit it or not, that IS anti-competitive behaviour and historically had regularly been called anti-trust business practices. in the 90's, Microsoft was forced to remove IE from Windows over similar practices and allow users to chose their default installed browser. Eventually once Apple/Google political stranglehold starts turning against them, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few nations, or the EU absolutely hammer these companies for Anti-Trust
 
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Who really cares though? I’ll use the best apps available to me. If you want me to use your app then make a better version than Apple does. Whether it’s preinstalled or not makes zero difference. If nothing was preinstalled upon purchasing the phone, however, would be an awful experience. Not quite sure what they’re trying to ‘prove’.
 
Breaking News: For the first time in the history of a monkey's uncle, Competitor A says it's information is completely correct and unbiased, points out Competitor B's data as being totally skewed and against the laws of nature.
 
Apple should have poked back at them instead of acting outraged or offended. A cursory consideration of their “findings” shows the absurdity of the message. A phone’s #1 app is the phone app? I’m shocked…

Unfortunately, most people (including politicians) only respond to exaggeration and emotion. Facebook will keep broadcasting this messaging until a sufficient amount of outrage is generated. Once the iPhone is legally mandated to allow 3rd party app installs, Facebook will begin sending alternate versions of their app if an unlocked phone is detected, circumventing any and all privacy features.
 
Who really cares though? I’ll use the best apps available to me. If you want me to use your app then make a better version than Apple does. Whether it’s preinstalled or not makes zero difference. If nothing was preinstalled upon purchasing the phone, however, would be an awful experience. Not quite sure what they’re trying to ‘prove’.

The problem is most users don't use "the best app" most of the time. They use whats already there and in their face for convenience.

if a user wants to sign up for a music streaming service, buys and iPhone and Apple music is already pre-installed, on their homescreen, with a "free trial" already built in. the majority of users will not go out of their way to find alternative solutions.

This is what FaceBook is trying to prove. Similar to the Anti-Trust cases against microsoft in the 90's early 00's over IE's bundling in Windows.
 
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Oh wow big companies are fist fighting each other.
Popcorn is ready.
When will Microsoft and Amazon join the fray?
 
Facebook is seriously flawed.

Of course their research is flawed.

They can’t even make a safe product for society because their business model is chaos.
 
Sure i use Facebook — But through Safari not through the Facebook app. Because I don’t trust Facebook. Duh!🍸😹

Honestly, I still wouldn't trust that. Zuckerberg has NEVER been a friend to privacy. back when he even started it and the first discussions over how good their private data is, Zuckerberg outright claimed he didn't believe in private data.

the only reason there's ANY privacy talk from Facebook is due to public sentiment. Zuckerberg and facebook would be selling our data to the highest bidders in a heartbeat if they were legally allowed to in most jurisdictions.
 
Go get ‘em apologists! Tell them all how Apple can do no wrong! Stand up for your walled garden before it gets knocked down.
I don’t think people pointing out the “Straw Man” arguments Facebook is making is apologetic. I mean the phone app being the number one app in an iPhone is considered unfair by FB. Come on meow.
 
To re-hash the car analogy: I'm sure GM-made car seats are the predominant car seats in GM vehicles. Does that mean GM should offer a selection of third party seats for use in their vehicles?
I am sure that if anyone is willing to pay, GM is willing to offer the seat….
 
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I don’t think people pointing out the “Straw Man” arguments Facebook is making is apologetic. I mean the phone app being the number one app in an iPhone is considered unfair by FB. Come on meow.
Can you replace it with an alternative like you can on android?

Just like you cannot replace Messages with an alternative - no other apps (at least that I am aware of) are allowed to send / receive SMS on the iPhone. Remember Adium from years ago on the Mac? It would interface with nearly every service out there (including iChat / Aim). Something like that wouldn’t be able to compete on the iPhone because of Apple’s “rules”. Should they not have that option?
 
To re-hash the car analogy: I'm sure GM-made car seats are the predominant car seats in GM vehicles. Does that mean GM should offer a selection of third party seats for use in their vehicles?
Are you under the impression that GM makes their own seats lol? That's not how the auto industry works. The vast majority of components come from third-party suppliers. Even powertrain components. Transmissions for instance are largely made by ZF, Tremec, Aisin, and others. And specific third-party seats are sometimes an option as OEM equipment, directly from the manufacturer. Ford offers a Recaro seat option in the Mustang for instance. As usual, these car analogies are always terrible.
 
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