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I would love to see the building when its done. Maybe they will have a publicly accessible employee store? :cool:
Unlikely since Apple has already stated that this new complex will not be open to the public. Campus 2 is primarily an engineering campus.

Apple reiterated that the senior management team will continue to use 1 Infinite Loop as their headquarters.

It is not probable that Apple would open a second Company Store at the new private facility. From a business and security standpoint, it makes zero sense for them to do so. The current company store is quite adequate.
 
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beautiful

12,000 employees? Thats amazing. I wonder what those 12,000 employees do exactly. I wouldn't mind working in that facility :D
 
monorail?

Unless the campus has underground tunnels criss-crossing from one end to the other... it's going to be a pain to go from one end to the other.

Perhaps they'll have a monorail inside for zippy transport around the building?

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Apple didn't build its own primary power source just for the sake of being 'green'. California is suffering from one of the worst[if not worst] power shortages in the states history. If they weren't so stuck up in terms of environmental conditions in relation to fossil fuel emissions they wouldn't be having this problem.

Either stuck up... or doing their best to be leaders in a critical area of worldwide concern?
 
Still, it took you 3 minutes to come back with that answer. Would you be better off starting to walk in a (guess) direction while you worked that out mentally, or wait 3 minutes and then walk in the shortest direction. :p

I believe he was correcting your english, with anti-clockwise being the commonwealth english version of counterclockwise the american english version.

and by the size of that ring it would take considerably longer to circumnavigate it... I like the idea of a tram!
 
Perhaps they'll have a monorail inside for zippy transport around the building?



Steve jobs was really big into taking walks to discuss things. Maybe his plan was for everyone to do a lot more walking. He designed the Pixar head quarters to encourage more random encounters with other other people .
 
they should invest that money and bail out California from going bankrupt lol

That is exactly what they are doing. This $100 investment will drive additional local expenditures and employment that will generate additional tax revenues for Cupertino, the neighboring cities, counties and CA as a whole.
 
yes I know, but Cali is falling apart lol ... Lend their money people to Cali to run it and fix the problems.

Not Apple's problem and lending money to the government is a donation. They can't pay anything back. Money will be wasted away like the taxes have been.
 
It is my goal in life to work at this new facility, and every day I inch closer to achiving that goal
 
Focusing on reality here for a moment if we might, the practical benefit to Apple could be very slight.

Apple will have to depend far more on a very friendly political environment in Cupertino than any "jack boot" relief granted through SB 900.
Thank you for letting facts leak into a thread.

My work with traffic flow in my early years and the arcane rules involved there is likely to be an issue. I understand Apple has a fleet of 20 buses to mitigate this which they mentioned prominently at the Cupertino Council meeting. There will be some street widening, some schedule shifting which will also help the cafeteria. Avoiding surge moments can make a huge difference.

Apple has proposed a route for Personal Transport Vehicles (PTV) between Campuses and presumably to offsite parking and shopping.

Rocketman
 
Not Apple's problem and lending money to the government is a donation. They can't pay anything back. Money will be wasted away like the taxes have been.

I live in the Bay Area, and I do not consider hwy 280, hwy 85, hwy 101, three of the top 50 airports in the US, regional electrification, surface streets, clean drinking water and underground sewage, fire & police departments, six public universities, hundreds of public primary and secondary schools as a waste of tax payer money.

That most of these were built using bond measures so that we could use and benefit from them prior to paying them off is not lost on me. I understand that the majority of my taxes are to pay for things for which we have already benefited and continue to benefit, something of which the current crop of politicians seem to either be ignorant, or unwilling to address. Much like going into a store and pulling a candy bar off the shelf and eating it before I get to the counter, I am morally obligated to pay for that candy bar. I am also obligated to pay taxes for the benefit I have received from the public commons I have consumed/benefited from. Taxes are not paying it forward, they are paying it back.
 
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Thank you for letting facts leak into a thread.

My work with traffic flow in my early years and the arcane rules involved there is likely to be an issue. I understand Apple has a fleet of 20 buses to mitigate this which they mentioned prominently at the Cupertino Council meeting. There will be some street widening, some schedule shifting which will also help the cafeteria. Avoiding surge moments can make a huge difference.

Apple has proposed a route for Personal Transport Vehicles (PTV) between Campuses and presumably to offsite parking and shopping.

Rocketman

No matter what, a workplace with 12,000 employees is going to generate a gigantic amount of daily car trips. Perimeter roads can be widened, but only so much, and the adjoining freeway isn't going to get wider I don't imagine. The project is bound to degrade levels of service for miles around. And this is where the real problem can arise -- Cupertino might be head-over-heals for Apple, but the surrounding cities aren't getting the benefits; they will feel only the impacts. So while smoothing feathers in Cupertino might be relatively easy, the concerns of Sunnyvale or Saratoga aren't going to be so simple to address. Those are some of the potential sources for lawsuits and a shortcut to the Court of Appeals isn't going to be of much value if the EIR gets tossed for inadequacy.
 
Apple didn't build its own primary power source just for the sake of being 'green'. California is suffering from one of the worst[if not worst] power shortages in the states history. If they weren't so stuck up in terms of environmental conditions in relation to fossil fuel emissions they wouldn't be having this problem.

Really, were you on the planning committee? This follows a pattern Apple is employing at all of their cloud facilities outside of California. Just maybe they understand that classic long distance grid distribution of electricity is a loosing strategy, especially when the political climate in the US is to preserve tax breaks even if it means letting infrastructure decay. Power strategies that include local and alternative energy are not only safer for corporations, they actually help with regional and national security.

That California is striving for a fossil free power future instead of pumping tar-sands and coal-slurry, is actually foresight not being stuck-up. Californians have chosen to work on building new jobs and a new economy; it is also in-line with their history of thinking about a healthier future not just for Californians but everyone east of the state since CA pollution blows east.

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No matter what, a workplace with 12,000 employees is going to generate a gigantic amount of daily car trips. Perimeter roads can be widened, but only so much, and the adjoining freeway isn't going to get wider I don't imagine. The project is bound to degrade levels of service for miles around. And this is where the real problem can arise -- Cupertino might be head-over-heals for Apple, but the surrounding cities aren't getting the benefits; they will feel only the impacts. So while smoothing feathers in Cupertino might be relatively easy, the concerns of Sunnyvale or Saratoga aren't going to be so simple to address. Those are some of the potential sources for lawsuits and a shortcut to the Court of Appeals isn't going to be of much value if the EIR gets tossed for inadequacy.

They may not get direct tax payments, but (as you point out) those employes live outside of Curpertino and will spend additional dollars in the surrounding cities.
 
I don't doubt that form was important, but what evidence is there that function was jeaporized?

Pretty much everything, from what I have seen thus far. It seems clear that the central organizing principle here is the circular plan. It's the kind of sexy form that Steve loved in consumer products, but plan abstraction is not necessarily a good place to start with architecture.

Several posters here have identified the most obvious issue, which is the vast scale of the building and the problems inherent with traveling from one side of the building to the other. Maybe Steve is having a conversation with God at this very moment and has persuaded Him to make rain fall less often over Cupertino, but failing intervention from the Almighty, employees in this building are going to be taking a lot of long hikes.

Second, the circular plan means that the building will be essentially devoid of the kinds of visual cues that we use to know where we are. Every angle of the building will look the same, at least externally. Internally I'd expect much the same problem to occur. This building is probably going to be very disorienting.

Third, the plan dictated the complete isolation of this building from the surrounding grid. It's a single, gigantic segregated land use requiring everyone who wants to do anything but work or eat at the company cafeteria to get into their car and drive somewhere else. A less dogmatic approach to architectural objectification would have accommodated a building more integrated into the place where it exists and have been more functional in that respect as well.

Those are just some of the more apparent functional issues with this building.
 
Pretty much everything, from what I have seen thus far. It seems clear that the central organizing principle here is the circular plan. It's the kind of sexy form that Steve loved in consumer products, but plan abstraction is not necessarily a good place to start with architecture.

Several posters here have identified the most obvious issue, which is the vast scale of the building and the problems inherent with traveling from one side of the building to the other. Maybe Steve is having a conversation with God at this very moment and has persuaded Him to make rain fall less often over Cupertino, but failing intervention from the Almighty, employees in this building are going to be taking a lot of long hikes.

Second, the circular plan means that the building will be essentially devoid of the kinds of visual cues that we use to know where we are. Every angle of the building will look the same, at least externally. Internally I'd expect much the same problem to occur. This building is probably going to be very disorienting.

Third, the plan dictated the complete isolation of this building from the surrounding grid. It's a single, gigantic segregated land use requiring everyone who wants to do anything but work or eat at the company cafeteria to get into their car and drive somewhere else. A less dogmatic approach to architectural objectification would have accommodated a building more integrated into the place where it exists and have been more functional in that respect as well.

Those are just some of the more apparent functional issues with this building.

Respectfully, everything you have described here could also be attributed to the Oracle facility in Redwood City, classic business towers spread over a multi-acre campus; or the collection of buildings that is the Cisco campus. These are both Northern California facilities without a single covered pathway or underground passage to facilitate inter building traffic, and all built before the ubiquitous use of IM, video conferencing and tele-presence to conduct business or facilitate ad-hoc meetings.

As for isolation, take a look at Google and Oracle. Like many high-tech companies, both attempt to meet every need or service on campus so employees will not have a reason to step off campus and have a reason to reduce the 60-hour weeks that are now part and parcel of high-tech employment.

Finally, I feel your critique fails to give credit to the nearly unmatched pattern recognition of the human brain, and our inherent way-finding and need to personalize our spaces. Not to mention new technologies like geo-fencing and onboard personal navigation for phones and tablets. Navigation for employees will not be a problem, as for visitors... no outsider is ever unescorted inside of Apple walls.
 
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No matter what, a workplace with 12,000 employees is going to generate a gigantic amount of daily car trips.
If you believe Steve's comments at the council meeting the number of trips will only be 20% more and of course will be more concentrated than now. But I think the point is there will also be offsite cafeterias already announced (Apple only) and likely an increase in commuter bus to the degree people's behavior can be changed. But I think there will be a fairly large emphasis on bicycles too.

The policies initiated in Los Angeles some 20 years ago to offset large employer start times had a tangible and evident impact on traffic jams and travel times. If Apple were to have a three tier transportation offset per shift, the smoothing of traffic patterns will be very substantial.

The physical "network effect" seems to be the goal of a large centralized facility that promotes human circulating.

Rocketman
 
I can see in the next catastrophe movie in L.A. The new building to be flooded by a tsunami, destroyed by and alien or swallowed by and earthquake will be this one. :eek:
 
Respectfully, everything you have described here could also be attributed to the Oracle facility in Redwood City, classic business towers spread over a multi-acre campus; or the collection of buildings that is the Cisco campus. These are both Northern California facilities without a single covered pathway or underground passage to facilitate inter building traffic, and all built before the ubiquitous use of IM, video conferencing and tele-presence to conduct business or facilitate ad-hoc meetings.

As for isolation, take a look at Google and Oracle. Like many high-tech companies, both attempt to meet every need or service on campus so employees will not have a reason to step off campus and have a reason to reduce the 60-hour weeks that are now part and parcel of high-tech employment.

Finally, I feel your critique fails to give credit to the nearly unmatched pattern recognition of the human brain, and our inherent way-finding and need to personalize our spaces. Not to mention new technologies like geo-fencing and onboard personal navigation for phones and tablets. Navigation for employees will not be a problem, as for visitors... no outsider is ever unescorted inside of Apple walls.

Everything I've said could be said about a lot large developments, which doesn't make it wrong. In fact all of that prior experience tells us that it's right.

I don't need to give credit. This is a well known and very deeply studied issue, not an idea I've come up entirely on my own. Understand that this concept came from Steve Jobs, who despite his other talents was not an architect. This building will properly be seen as a monument to him, which I suspect was the idea. I doubt very much that this concept would have been suggested by any architect because of all the inherent problems it creates.
 
Unless the campus has underground tunnels criss-crossing from one end to the other... it's going to be a pain to go from one end to the other.

Or they can, you know, go outside and walk across the gigantic park in the middle...
 
Mac is most popular operating system of the world now a days.Every body want to work on mac operating system .............

And the reason? Its not like some time before - when every user used it because it has something other OS didnt, now I just have a feeling that quite a lot of users going to Mac just because it's "cool" these days? :confused::eek:

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That's why it's 4 storeys....
Wheeled Transport clockwise level 2, anti-clockwise level 3.
Pedestrians only 1 & 4.
:)

lol...could u imagine he would have to go all around just because he would like to go to the next doors and he just cant?
 
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