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Apple Cancels Mac-Connected AR Smart Glasses
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I have a pair of Meta RBs and they are a game changer in terms of listening to music and podcasts while out and about and taking photos during active pursuits. I've gotten so many photos and videos while mountain biking or snowboarding that I never would have taken if it meant pulling out my iPhone.
You want an AVP or Quest 3s depending on your budget. I've used both and both are great for mirroring a Mac with multiple widescreen virtual displays.
It depends on what the user wants to do with an XR device. Even the Quest 3, with its somewhat better resolution, PPD, and brightness compared to the 3s, isn't entirely usable for medium-long or longer text editing sessions in virtual windows without quickly getting eye strain (I've tried). The AVP is great for text editing, from what I've read, but that's because it has much higher resolution, PPD, and brightness. But some widescreen content watched on the Quest 3 is decent, as long as it has enough inherent resolution and brightness, though the pixelation of the Quest's displays is still sometimes apparent, and dimmer areas of the image tend to lose detail.
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But any pair of AR glasses that are designed to be tethered to an iPhone will almost certainly also be tetherable to a Mac. I take this rumor to possibly mean that Apple might now be aiming for making non-tethered glasses, but that achieving the kind of high resolution, PPD, brightness, etc. they want can't be achieved economically with current tech, so they're going to put this project mostly aside for a while.
People like android flip phones enough. So at least there's general acceptance and not so much recoil.
It seems that Apple is running out of new things to make. Either they can’t meet the arbitrary standard they’ve set and or they have to sell them at an insane price. And now they’re pressured to manufacture more of their products in the U.S.
AVP is by far the worst purchase of anything I've made in my life. Every time I think I want to use it, I think, "I have to put that thing on my head again?"
Why don't they just pair it with the iPhone? The iPhone is typically in our pockets anyway so have it do the heavy lifting?
One reason seems to be that apparently the battery in an iPhone, maybe even the Pro and Pro Max, doesn't have enough capacity to run a pair of XR glasses for as long as Apple thinks a lot of people might want to run them throughout the day before needing recharging.
Also, one of the big use cases for these glasses is to use virtual, floating windows for productivity apps like higher-end word processors (something with more features than Notes, like Microsoft Word, Pages, etc.), and last time I looked, iOS doesn't currently have any of those (the iOS versions of Word and Pages don't qualify), so pairing with iOS wouldn't allow many people to do some of the same kinds of work as they currently do on their Macs. I'm not sure how much of a rewrite iOS would have to go through to do windowing anyway, much less multiple resizable windows.
Sure you'd be able to do a lot of other useful or just entertaining things with glasses tethered to an iPhone, something like the current capabilities of the AVP, but relying solely on that tethering, you wouldn't be able to mirror the windows of very many useful productivity apps to such glasses, which the AVP can do, from a Mac.
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yes and no - it's probably similar if not the same same teams that are developing them - I'd be surprised in case these are not identical capabilities needed to develop the base technology and framework.
the underlining technology is identical
probably - but I would not expect technology enabling below 100 g for an all day usage like a smartphone - simply because our smartphones weigh above 200 g and they don't need mechatronics for the display - most smartphones don't last more than than a few hours in full usage - why should an AR glass be better than the best smartphones?
Of course - that's exactly what I meant - they would replace may prescription glasses that I already wear all day - just weighed them - they are 25 g and they are on the heavy side IMHO - since 40 years I am wearing glasses - I can tell you even gram more is cumbersome and for such an all day wearable the weight restrictions are crucial.
How heavy are they?
How heavy are they?
at 200 g ? Surely not - for many reasons - 1st and foremost AR glasses will never have reasonable black levels and secondly I don't think technology will make them as unobtrusive as normal glasses - at least not in the upcoming years - 10 years out I am with you and I would buy them in case they totally look like normal glasses - this will not happen soon - not a single AR glass I've seen looks like a normal pair of glasses to me
Yes - and they will look like AR glasses or quite close and they will be banned in many situations - thus I would have to carry my normal glasses additionally - I am already unhappy to carry sunglasses with me.
I love my AVP since it offers a high resolution display in a super small form factor and offers immersion - AR glasses would basically do the same but much worse.
In case I would have to allocate the workforce I'd rather allocate the work to an upcoming Apple Vision and the Apple Vision PRO II
When we'll have technology that makes normal sized and looking glasses to AR devices I will buy immediately at any price such a device but I don't think this will happen in the upcoming five years - maybe not in the upcoming 10 years - just look at the enormous battery needs of today's smartphones. It took Apple 10 incarnations until an alway on display in a 10 mm thick Apple Watch with all day usage was feasible. AR glasses must be 1..2 mm thickness plus glass in front with built in technology - this is not going to happen soon.
Of course there will be people wearing them - look at the current shoe fashion 🤣
The desperate hunt for a solution to a problem that does not exist.
Like smartphones, MP3 players, smartwatches, self driving cars …
Even though I don’t believe that we’ll see any normal glasses like appearance soon I am totally interested in such a device but it must be similar in appearance to normal glasses in fit form and function plus the AR functionality.
I see many use cases for AR devices - in fact the headup displays are kind of the same thing and I like and use it a lot.
I would buy a 50 g heavy AR glasses that look like normal glasses at € 5 k immediately - but that will be out 5++ years best case.
But we have an even better solution n the AVP today already.
The AVP is the size and weight it is because of the processing demands of 2x 4K displays (32M pixels) plus whatever actual work you're doing.
VR and AR really are like trying to get glasses/goggles to play a AAA game on the highest settings. Even if you offloaded the work via wire, the required computer is too large for the desired user experience, unless you want to carry a hot laptop around. They also tried really hard to get cloud gaming to work, but again the tech just isn't there yet.
VR and AR really are like trying to get glasses/goggles to play a AAA game on the highest settings. Even if you offloaded the work via wire, the required computer is too large for the desired user experience, unless you want to carry a hot laptop around. They also tried really hard to get cloud gaming to work, but again the tech just isn't there yet.
Apple needs to go into the millinery business and produce a hat-mounted system. To relieve the weight they could incorporate attachment points for a couple of helium balloons and a chinstrap to prevent flyaways. Simple. Literally everyone would be wearing them by 2070, by which time compact anti-gravity devices would start to become available.
You can look into some of the currently available tech on your own when you have chance, and then consider what that’s going to look like in the future. Hallidays are 35 g by the way. Maybe you’ll be right about the timetable, but I believe Apple has a product out within five years, no question. Will that product be to your liking, I can’t possibly say. But I’m pretty sure based on what’s available now, I’m going to be very excited by them.
You’re fixated on your AVPs to the in a way that I don’t quite understand, so I’ll just say glad you love them and that they work for you, and agree to disagree regarding where AR glasses are headed. 👋🏻 👍🏻
Based on the report the iPhone can’t do the heavy lifting. Plus people have battery anxiety over their phones. If this is a real spatial computer that augments reality (and not just a head worn display I don’t think Apple is interested in that) it will likely drain the iPhones battery significantly. We tried this experiment with mobile VR the whole category was killed for these reasons. People didn’t want something draining their phone battery so significantly and making it hot.
If the device existed today, what are the use cases? I ask this every time I either get down-voted or they give me the same exact use cases that can already be done with your phone or watch.
If you want to claim that this will simply be a niche alternative to using a watch or phone I buy that argument. But if you are telling this is replacing phones or watches, not a chance.
This is where Tim Cook Apple loses me. Yes, the tech doesn't exist. So make it exist. This is where innovation comes in. Jobs had a lot of hurdles for the iPhone, but he found the engineers to make it happen, and he drove them relentlessly until they did.
AR has far more implications and use cases than VR. Why has Apple become the company who waits until someone invents it, then works on upgrading the idea...?
AR has far more implications and use cases than VR. Why has Apple become the company who waits until someone invents it, then works on upgrading the idea...?
misconception - I am convinced by the package:
- It exists and it's not wishful thinking
- It's fully integrated in the Apple eco system
- It is constantly refined and is already at OS 2.3 and counting
- It is high fidelity at it's finest
- It is close to perfection provided you can stand the weight
- There is nothing better on the market - a must have feature for me
AR glasses from Apple don't existing and I will buy them in case they meet the criteria above - best in class, ultra lightweight and durable and ultra high fidelity - by the time Apple will introduce them I am hoping for 8 k per eye in such a device - the AVP of that time will be at that level
In case they won't be ultra high resolution and ultra light and durable I am probably not interested any many other too.
I agree two totally different solutions - yet one is existing and bringing joy and the other one is just fiction and what I've seen from competition is for the most part crap or unusable.
A combination of an Apple Watch and an Apple AR glass would be the perfect setup IMHO in case I can shrink my iPhone to a 50 g AR glass setup with the Apple Watch as 5G Smartphone replacement. I'd pay € 5 k for that setup in a heartbeat - yet it will not exist in the upcoming decade - maybe at the end of it.
okee dokie! 😀misconception - I am convinced by the package:
- It exists and it's not wishful thinking
- It's fully integrated in the Apple eco system
- It is constantly refined and is already at OS 2.3 and counting
- It is high fidelity at it's finest
- It is close to perfection provided you can stand the weight
- There is nothing better on the market - a must have feature for me
AR glasses from Apple don't existing and I will buy them in case they meet the criteria above - best in class, ultra lightweight and durable and ultra high fidelity - by the time Apple will introduce them I am hoping for 8 k per eye in such a device - the AVP of that time will be at that level
In case they won't be ultra high resolution and ultra light and durable I am probably not interested any many other too.
I agree two totally different solutions - yet one is existing and bringing joy and the other one is just fiction and what I've seen from competition is for the most part crap or unusable.
A combination of an Apple Watch and an Apple AR glass would be the perfect setup IMHO in case I can shrink my iPhone to a 50 g AR glass setup with the Apple Watch as 5G Smartphone replacement. I'd pay € 5 k for that setup in a heartbeat - yet it will not exist in the upcoming decade - maybe at the end of it.