Apple Car Autonomous Driving Scaled Down, Launch Planned for 2028

[breenmask]

I find it completely amazing that people here assume, due to marketing, that Tesla is remotely close to full self driving.

There is a lawsuit with CA DMV for deceptive marketing because Autopilot and FSD are neither.
Tesla is a L2 system that require hands on the wheel because there is no redundancy in the vision system.

Tesla isn't the leader.
BMW and MBZ offer L3 hands off, no attention required on multiple cars.
Tesla is actually ranked 6th or 7th in ADAS with BMW, MBZ, GM and Ford well ahead of Tesla.

Read the review -> https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/28/how-tesla-bmw-ford-gm-and-mercedes-driver-assist-systems-compare/

Tesla's system is flawed at its core. Vision only with no redundancy. Tesla doesn't even have 360 degree cameras. BMW has 360 degree cameras, 5 radar sensors along with 12 ultrasonic.

Have you ever seen a Tesla try to park with vision only? Compare that to a BMW with DAPP and PAP. BMW gets it done if the car will fit in the space.

Tesla is adding high resolution radar to the 3 and others. Why because the time to interpolate and get distance and speed from vision pales in comparison to a radar module that can directly read speed and distance.

Also we won't even get into driver detection where Tesla isn't close to what BMW, MBZ, GM and Ford offer in terms of camera and capacitive steering wheels.

I'm a car guy and have worked in automotive safety. Tesla... Blah, blah, blah.

this is hilarious. lawsuit is not evidence of anything related to capabilities.

Being level 3 autonomous is meaningless. Tesla could have directed their entire team to create level 3 years ago but would have distracted from the full self driving stack. being at level 3 doesn't mean you're closer to full self driving at all. it's similar to how Siri is no where close to what ChatGPT is. completely different architectures.

Their camera system is redundant. You can lose any single camera and the stack can still self drive with a level above humans.

Tesla *is not* adding high resolution to 3. Only to S and X and it's only an experiment. Jury is still out on whether they will use this.

Tesla didn't designed camera system for driver monitoring. They were only meant for ride sharing service to record if there are any abuses by the passengers. It wasn't until NHTSA recommended they include driver monitoring hence the performance of it.

If you've tried FSD beta 12, you would know Tesla is miles closer to autonomy than BMW.

so much bad information from you, lol

 

[voy@ger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762708987982631051

 

[Alameda]

They was no car and was never going to be...I don't know why people think this was something feasible 🙄

Feasible? Apple has $73 BILLION in cash on hand. They could buy all of BMW in cash for that much money without touching a single share of stock. They can start a vehicle factory and barely put a dent into all that cash.

 

[ToyoCorollaGR]

Feasible? Apple has $73 BILLION in cash on hand. They could buy all of BMW in cash for that much money without touching a single share of stock. They can start a vehicle factory and barely put a dent into all that cash.

And yet it didn't happen.....

 

[voy@ger]

Last night I attended a zoom conference regarding "AI embodied autonomous driving". The presentation was full of meant to impress, arbitrary semantics. For the more experienced onlooker, there were the familiar vids of carefully selected traffic situations that were meant to underline what was being presented. No decent question was asked afterwards. How many $ billions will be wasted before other brands will realize what Apple has been realizing for quite some time: that full autonomy is a fairy tale, and will be for quite some time? Btw, if anyone is interested in the pros and cons of latest AV developments, including the confusing labeling and expectations that tend to go with them, I recommend going to the Tesla forum - the postings and comments there run in the thousands.

 

[voy@ger]

Ask yourself: Has vehicle autonomy development turned into Ins Blaue Hinein engineering, aimed at making cars as we know them today drive themselves? Because that sure didn’t work out. They are too big. Einstein once said: “genius is making complex ideas simple, not making simple ideas complex”. Could a more purposefully designed car 'squeeze' more precision - smoothness - safety out of any Autonomous Vehicle technology? Yes.

But the $100K price tag suggests that Apple was working on something big as well. Could another type of vehicle function as an enabler of any AV tech out there? Yes, and that would make it a more likely ‘proprietary candidate’ than any AV ‘Operating System’ that developers are pushing and pitching in the hope that theirs becomes the industry standard. Because knowing Apple, that was what it was after, at least initially.

 

[garibaldo]

Ask yourself: Has vehicle autonomy development turned into Ins Blaue Hinein engineering, aimed at making cars as we know them today drive themselves? Because that sure didn’t work out. They are too big. Einstein once said: “genius is making complex ideas simple, not making simple ideas complex”. Could a more purposefully designed car 'squeeze' more precision - smoothness - safety out of any Autonomous Vehicle technology? Yes.

But the $100K price tag suggests that Apple was working on something big as well. Could another type of vehicle function as an enabler of any AV tech out there? Yes, and that would make it a more likely ‘proprietary candidate’ than any AV ‘Operating System’ that developers are pushing and pitching in the hope that theirs becomes the industry standard. Because knowing Apple, that was what it was after, at least initially.

I always thought of Appple s car more as a service than a product... Disrupting the idea of you owning a car to just use it... You just say to Siri: send me a car, and voilá, it just comes... And know where to go, playing the song in your iPhone's playlist, and you would pay at the end of month with you Apple car, for the distance plus some usage... Or something like that....

 

[voy@ger]

I always thought of Appple s car more as a service than a product... Disrupting the idea of you owning a car to just use it... You just say to Siri: send me a car, and voilá, it just comes... And know where to go, playing the song in your iPhone's playlist, and you would pay at the end of month with you Apple car, for the distance plus some usage... Or something like that....

Good points. A 'personal mobility device' you get to use to displace yourself from A to B whenever, wherever you need one. Reminds me that Apple showed interest in Lit Motors C1, a self-balancing tandem two-seater, two-wheeler.

 

[ToyoCorollaGR]

Ask yourself: Has vehicle autonomy development turned into Ins Blaue Hinein engineering, aimed at making cars as we know them today drive themselves? Because that sure didn’t work out. They are too big. Einstein once said: “genius is making complex ideas simple, not making simple ideas complex”. Could a more purposefully designed car 'squeeze' more precision - smoothness - safety out of any Autonomous Vehicle technology? Yes.

But the $100K price tag suggests that Apple was working on something big as well. Could another type of vehicle function as an enabler of any AV tech out there? Yes, and that would make it a more likely ‘proprietary candidate’ than any AV ‘Operating System’ that developers are pushing and pitching in the hope that theirs becomes the industry standard. Because knowing Apple, that was what it was after, at least initially.

Who suggested 100k? Apple surely didn't....

 

[voy@ger]

All is lost, after having spent over $10 billion?
Well, it is actually proof that Apple Titan engineers have simply ignored what AI will most definitely tackle.
How long do you think will it take Artifical Intelligence to figure out:

It seems like there is another benchmark event coming up. October 10th, Tesla will reveal its robo-taxi,
aka Cybercab. Will it turn out to be the practical "fire and forget" (apologees for this military term) vehicle,
that may also easily qualify as an Apple car?