Apple Car Latest: Kia Talks With Potential Partners About Vehicle Assembly in Georgia, While Apple Seeks Supply Deals With Japanese Automakers

[Little Endian]

You mean Toyota and Honda, the 2 companies that put faulty Takata airbags in their vehicles and led to the biggest recalls in automobile history?

Also, I want to know what makes you think you know more than Apple about this subject. When Apple is selecting suppliers, they don't care about affinity, brand, or even if the supplier is an enemy. Apple cares about which supplier has the technology to produce the highest quality parts at a reasonable price, hence why they still use Samsung panels and memory components. It's entirely objective.
Have you considered that you're wrong about Hyundai/Kia and that Apple might be right? Apple has a team of highly-paid automotive experts whose job is to analyze the manufacturing technologies of all the major automakers to determine which one creates the highest quality parts. And you're saying they're wrong?
Apple's take on this situation is correct. As a big car enthusiast, I always thought that current Hyundai/Kia's problems were more due to brand than actual quality issues. Apple picking Hyundai/Kia over everyone else confirms my suspicion.
Seems that many members on this board care more about brand than actual quality. Apple can release the worst car ever with panel gaps all around and paint job issues and people on this board would eat it up.

My statement was a generalized one from my experience previously being in car sales, personal experiences, and being a shade tree mechanic. Really you don’t come by to many Hyundai/Kia‘s in the 10-15 yo range with high 100k mileage. Hyundai sold tons of its first generation Blockbuster Santa fe SUV between 2001-2005 and tons of Sonatas throughout the 2000s but you hardly see them on the road anymore. In contrast there are tons of Toyotas & Hondas from that era still out there. Heck there are still tons of examples from the 90s being used as daily drivers.
Also have you seen the recent engine fire problems that Hyundai/Kia have been having? BTW the Takata airbag problem extends far beyond just Toyota & Honda those airbags were used by dozens of manufacturers globally.

Brands aside building reliable and functional vehicles doesn’t happen overnight. I can see your train of thought though, you are rationalizing that Apple could build a great car just like how they can make great devices using Foxcon, Pegatron Etc.. as assembly partners. Building a great car is far more complex than assembling iphones there are automakers that have been around for 100+ years that still can’t get it right, no need to mention names. Anyhow for myself I would not buy a first, second or even 3rd gen Apple Car if it were made in partnership with Hyundai/Kia I would wait and see especially considering the probably high price tag. It’s the same reason why I haven’t bought a Tesla yet even though I am interested. Now I would be more likely to by an Apple Car if it were made in partnership with Toyota, Honda, or even Ford. Sadly none of those partnerships would likely happen though.

 

[AppleShareholder]

My statement was a generalized one from my experience previously being in car sales, personal experiences, and being a shade tree mechanic. Really you don’t come by to many Hyundai/Kia‘s in the 10-15 yo range with high 100k mileage. Hyundai sold tons of its first generation Blockbuster Santa fe SUV between 2001-2005 and tons of Sonatas throughout the 2000s but you hardly see them on the road anymore. In contrast there are tons of Toyotas & Hondas from that era still out there. Heck there are still tons of examples from the 90s being used as daily drivers.
Also have you seen the recent engine fire problems that Hyundai/Kia have been having? BTW the Takata airbag problem extends far beyond just Toyota & Honda those airbags were used by dozens of manufacturers globally.

Brands aside building reliable and functional vehicles doesn’t happen overnight. I can see your train of thought though, you are rationalizing that Apple could build a great car just like how they can make great devices using Foxcon, Pegatron Etc.. as assembly partners. Building a great car is far more complex than assembling iphones there are automakers that have been around for 100+ years that still can’t get it right, no need to mention names. Anyhow for myself I would not buy a first, second or even 3rd gen Apple Car if it were made in partnership with Hyundai/Kia I would wait and see especially considering the probably high price tag. It’s the same reason why I haven’t bought a Tesla yet even though I am interested. Now I would be more likely to by an Apple Car if it were made in partnership with Toyota, Honda, or even Ford. Sadly none of those partnerships would likely happen though.

An EV is not ICE. The drive train and battery are the 2 most important parts of an EV, and Apple concluded that Hyundai/Kia has the best quality (Battery will probably come from LG Chem).

While the Takata airbag situation extended far more than just Toyota and Honda, it brings into question Toyota's QA protocol for parts they're using in their cars. It still was Toyota's fault for using Takata airbags. Why didn't Hyundai and Kia use Takata? I think you're letting both Toyota and Honda off the hook too easily.
Neither Hyundai or Kia have ever made a mistake as bad as using Takata airbags.

If Apple decided to use faulty BOE displays instead of superior Samsung ones, would you say it's okay because some other companies also use BOE displays and have poor quality as well? Hell no. You would ding Apple for using poor parts.

Every car manufacturer has problems.

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If you disagree with Apple's objective research, that's fine. They'll plow forward with their partnership.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

Anyhow for myself I would not buy a first, second or even 3rd gen Apple Car if it were made in partnership with Hyundai/Kia I would wait and see especially considering the probably high price tag

None of you seem to get it...
NOBODY will buy a 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd generation Apple Car.
Lol, it is beyond laughable to think Apple is going to suddenly decide instead of being disruptive to instead compete in a 100+ year old dead endustry.

Car ownership is on its way to being the equivalent of keeping a landline... give it 15 years. Probably, less than 10% of people will bother owning a car- the rest will just choose whatever driving service that fits them best.
No insurance.
No oil changes.
No fill ups.
No car payments.
No maintenance.
No chance of a catastrophic engine failure wiping out your savings.
Etc.
That’s a disruptive idea.
That’s a nascent market.
That has all the hallmarks of an Apple endeavor.

 

[Romeo_Nightfall]

None of you seem to get it...
NOBODY will buy a 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd generation Apple Car.
Lol, it is beyond laughable to think Apple is going to suddenly decide instead of being disruptive to instead compete in a 100+ year old dead endustry.

Car ownership is on its way to being the equivalent of keeping a landline... give it 15 years. Probably, less than 10% of people will bother owning a car- the rest will just choose whatever driving service that fits them best.
No insurance.
No oil changes.
No fill ups.
No car payments.
No maintenance.
No chance of a catastrophic engine failure wiping out your savings.
Etc.
That’s a disruptive idea.
That’s a nascent market.
That has all the hallmarks of an Apple endeavor.

Most of the things you mentioned are not in conjunction with ownership but the transition to EV.
Lots of people will still own electric cars - fsd cars ofCourse ...
BUT there will be a huge mobility market for people who just wanna get A to B and it will replace most of train and public transport imho.
Austria, especially vienna will find some strange reason and laws to keep both alive - because they have all their dummies in that jobs - but that’s another story in a small country behind the mountains!

 

[diamond.g]

None of you seem to get it...
NOBODY will buy a 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd generation Apple Car.
Lol, it is beyond laughable to think Apple is going to suddenly decide instead of being disruptive to instead compete in a 100+ year old dead endustry.

Car ownership is on its way to being the equivalent of keeping a landline... give it 15 years. Probably, less than 10% of people will bother owning a car- the rest will just choose whatever driving service that fits them best.
No insurance.
No oil changes.
No fill ups.
No car payments.
No maintenance.
No chance of a catastrophic engine failure wiping out your savings.
Etc.
That’s a disruptive idea.
That’s a nascent market.
That has all the hallmarks of an Apple endeavor.

Unless the car drives itself, insurance will be a thing.

 

[wheresthecddrive]

As a car enthusiast they are getting the most crappy companies they can, maybe because Apple can get them to do what they want. But I would never buy a Kia, Hyundai, Nissan and Mitsubishi are not what they used be back in the day. Go with Toyota or Mazda, Porsche used toyota engineers when they created the boxter. Even Tesla has issues with their build quality.

i have a hyundai plugi-in ioniq. it's a great car with the best warranty & reliability for a non-luxury vehicle. have had way less issues with it than my old BMW. so yeah, i would definitely trust hyundai (& kia, who they own)