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Every time i see apple car, i can't help but smile..

A car from apple would have the battery life like an iPhone, therefore would need to be refuelled every 100ft at apple owned fuel stations, need a security updates and a reboot every Monday. Having no user changeable parts and be obsolete within 2 years by design and each upgrade would seriously impact the performance.

God forbid you pranged it, you would have to take it in and have the whole body replaced, not repaired.

The problem these days is that everything is disposable. I just upgraded my 2009 imac to a 1TB SSD and 3TB HDD by replacing the optical drive, a machine that was made to last, and will still be good years from now, the current tech from everyone is made to be replaced and not upgraded/repaired. New Cars these days are not that much better.
 
I have every apple product...
My iPhone from 4s onwards needs a charge every SINGLE day or it runs out of power. If you actually use it for calls (old school i admit, pfft it's not like a smart phone should be used for voice) I'm lucky to get to 2pm in the afternoon and require multiple charges. and its not just one phone i have multiple all do 100% the same.

Security updates are coming out all the time for iOS its the most unsecured platform on the market - you can confirm this with a quick google. iOS needs a regular reboot or the UI lags, another common issue and i do stand corrected on the 2 years, its actually only 1 year before the device is obsoleted. 2 years was more a comment on when the latest version of iOS begins to suck performance wise so much the phone is pretty annoying to use!
You said weekly security updates. Apple has never sent out weekly security updates--exaggeration.

You said charge every 100 feet only at Apple charging stations--Major exaggeration, and not based on any apple product; they all plug into standard wall outlets.

Obsolete after one year? Because Apple introduces a new model. It must kill you to trade in your Toyota every year, because that's what they do every year, too. I keep my cars about five years. I've been keeping my iPhone about two years, because I like the new features, but plenty of people keep iPhones longer than that. They aren't obsolete, just not the newest model on the showroom floor. Before iPhone (I started with the first model), I traded in my phone about every two years, so it's not an Apple thing.

If you drive your car all day, every day, you'll be dependent on refueling stations. This applies to ICE cars and also to electric cars not made by Apple.

I can't see anything in your objections (once I remove the exaggeration) that makes me worry about how an Apple car will perform. Whether it fits with what I need (room for seven or eight passengers, mainly) remains to be seen.
 
I still think the analysts are wrong. The "Apple Car" project is not to develop a production car for sale; Apple will not be competing with Ford or GM directly for consumers. Rather, I think Apple sees a convergence between the mobile technology developed over the last decade and what will be used in cars in the next decade, and they are focusing on developing that technology so they can have some influence or part of that future. To that end, I believe they are developing all sorts of ideas, systems, and technologies that perform a wide range of car functions, but they are not planning on actually releasing an Apple Car. Instead, they will license or sell whatever they come up with.

I think that is basically it with the added benefit of "Apple Car" being a convenient distraction for Wallstreet while Apple tries to come up with the next big thing.
 
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I run a super car, not a Toyota.. That has a limited range by comparison to traditional cars, but the apple devices take the biscuit in term of tethering you to a wall plug. The phones simply have issues lasting a 16hrs waking day, thats not an exaggeration at all. In the same way the AW struggles to get through the day too.. so to link that to a car is not to stretch the likely hood at all.

iOS is full of hole and is constantly requiring security patches and updates.
iOS is currently ranked the most exposed platform from a security point of view, thats not an exaggeration.
iOS currently doesn't run at all well on 2y/o devices. my 5Ss struggle in terms of performance and fluidity or use under the latest version of iOS that was downloaded last week..

These issue make for a real problem in a connected car, IoT and driverless cars are going to need to be much more secure than iOS is right now thats for sure. Apple don't like to play with other was the inference of what i was getting at. The ecosystem is all including and thats bad for consumers in the same way as legislation was released across the EU to stop traditional car manufactures doing that very thing.
 
If you read his patents the vast majority of them are undergrad level BS Mechanical Engineering class curriculum applied to novel ideas of long standing applied non-modern physics. In short, when you have billions of dollars and research labs that are world class, you can create the 1,000th novel use of a forced dampening sensor and get a patent.

Repeat and rinse. Losing him isn't losing someone of innovative ideas for Electric Cars. As a fellow ME I salute his work more as a manager of talent than a design engineer; and certainly not as a research engineer.
 
This prototype utilized unsold recycled Apple watch straps.

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This is soap... One guy is leaving Apple and the most weird conspiracy theories are popping up everywhere. It's ALL pure speculation about the question WHY this guy is leaving Apple. It could also be that he just prefer to go fishing 24/7 instead of dealing with stress all of the time.
With this amount of years working at Apple he will be even able to do just that.
 
I run a super car, not a Toyota.. That has a limited range by comparison to traditional cars, but the apple devices take the biscuit in term of tethering you to a wall plug. The phones simply have issues lasting a 16hrs waking day, thats not an exaggeration at all. In the same way the AW struggles to get through the day too.. so to link that to a car is not to stretch the likely hood at all.

iOS is full of hole and is constantly requiring security patches and updates.
iOS is currently ranked the most exposed platform from a security point of view, thats not an exaggeration.
iOS currently doesn't run at all well on 2y/o devices. my 5Ss struggle in terms of performance and fluidity or use under the latest version of iOS that was downloaded last week..

These issue make for a real problem in a connected car, IoT and driverless cars are going to need to be much more secure than iOS is right now thats for sure. Apple don't like to play with other was the inference of what i was getting at. The ecosystem is all including and thats bad for consumers in the same way as legislation was released across the EU to stop traditional car manufactures doing that very thing.
Neither my iPhone nor my Apple Watch have any problem getting through a typical day for me. Your problems are not mine, and if or when Apple releases a car, I'll decide whether its capabilities and features are a fit with my needs and wants. It truly may not. And it may not fit yours either, but your individual needs and wants won't be a factor in my decision. Not even a little bit.
 
If you read his patents the vast majority of them are undergrad level BS Mechanical Engineering class curriculum applied to novel ideas of long standing applied non-modern physics. In short, when you have billions of dollars and research labs that are world class, you can create the 1,000th novel use of a forced dampening sensor and get a patent.

Repeat and rinse. Losing him isn't losing someone of innovative ideas for Electric Cars. As a fellow ME I salute his work more as a manager of talent than a design engineer; and certainly not as a research engineer.
Tony Fadell tweeted that him leaving would be a big loss for Apple. Is Fadell wrong or is the sneering just because he wasn't part of the NeXT club?
 
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"Coming from Ford."

Ford are SO renowned worldwide for their electric cars !!! Can't wait for Apple to release one of the likes.
 
He's a 16 year veteran who ran iPod and iPhone engineering before allegedly moving to this car project. He's got 108 granted patents and 172 patent applications to his name.

How about MR waits for a confirmation from Apple before pushing that headline?

I suggest grabbing a dictionary and looking up the definition for the word "rumor"
 
Tony Fadell tweeted that him leaving would be a big loss for Apple. Is Fadell wrong or is the sneering just because he wasn't part of the NeXT club?
I never got my set of Apple collectible trading cards. So I don't really know who Steve Zadesky is, or Tony Fadell for that matter. Maybe Tony and Steve were lunch buddies and Tony is going to miss their mealtime chats. Maybe Steve is just an all around good guy that everyone likes, and Apple thought they would do him a solid by sending out a semi-official tweet praising him, even though Steve's successor Eve Harrington is ready, willing, and able to fill his role.

When the final story is ready to be told, and someone is ready to tell it, we'll find out if this ranks in the top ten of actual setbacks to Apple producing its car.
 
Does Apple really need to make a car? I mean, it already feels like Apple is starting to spread itself a bit too thin trying to everything under the sun. They need to take some steps back and improve their existing products (especially iOS and OS X).
This! I got a lot of flack for saying this in an Apple Display thread a few days ago. I think Apple needs to shed some products in order to focus on making their core products more innovative.
 
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I never got my set of Apple collectible trading cards. So I don't really know who Steve Zadesky is, or Tony Fadell for that matter. Maybe Tony and Steve were lunch buddies and Tony is going to miss their mealtime chats. Maybe Steve is just an all around good guy that everyone likes, and Apple thought they would do him a solid by sending out a semi-official tweet praising him, even though Steve's successor Eve Harrington is ready, willing, and able to fill his role.

When the final story is ready to be told, and someone is ready to tell it, we'll find out if this ranks in the top ten of actual setbacks to Apple producing its car.
Tony Fadell was brought on to work on the iPod. He ran iPod engineering for a while and worked on the first three generations of iPhone.

I suggest grabbing a dictionary and looking up the definition for the word "rumor"

Except not everything posted on MR is a rumor. What's so difficult about throwing 'reportedly' in the title as other sites did?
 
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Neither my iPhone nor my Apple Watch have any problem getting through a typical day for me. Your problems are not mine, and if or when Apple releases a car, I'll decide whether its capabilities and features are a fit with my needs and wants. It truly may not. And it may not fit yours either, but your individual needs and wants won't be a factor in my decision. Not even a little bit.

It's not mine, in the same way mine are not yours...

It's pretty universal accepted by the openminded that the iPhone and watch have battery issues.. hence why iPhone users are known as wall huggers.. Which, by nature pretty much means it's not limited to my usage pattern or device!

Thanks for pointing out your needs don't factor based on mine, but thats pretty much a given for all of us..
 
Nothing more?

You speak like Apple is run by monkeys, like Google.

Google won't manufacture a car, because they would fail doing so. They prefer to license their software to 3rd parties, because their Google cars will suck, and their image will be kept intact that way. Same thing with Android phones, the fault is always with the OEM, not Android/Google.
Precisely why Google will win with cars as well. They will leave the actual manufacturing to people who know what they're doing. Apple is apparently far too arrogant to realize how disastrous and unprofitable their current strategy will be.

You may think that Google is ran by monkeys, but when I look at their current investment portfolio, then look at Apple's, it's quite clear that Google is the company of the future and Apple just isn't. I don't get any enjoyment from saying that, I think Apple has so much potential, but they're wasting it on a bunch of half baked ideas that will never make a dime.
 
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Both of those are electronics. The automotive industry is very, very different.
Have you ever worked on a car? They are half electronic nowadays. and an electric car is even more electronic.

Back in 2007 the cellphone industry was completely separate form the pc industry. Virtually no overlap.

Sure, developing a car is one thing. But then you get in to manufacturing. The amount of capital expenditures would run into the tens of billions of dollars setting up manufacturing plants, hiring staff, dealing with unions, sourcing unbelievable amounts of lithium ion batteries (themselves being extremely sensitive and complicated tech). Apple can't just take the easy route and hire Foxconn to manufacture them either, since it has no experience manufacturing cars.

Apple would hire Foxconn to open a plant in Mexico to build automobiles. Apple has billions in the bank so money in no problem. As for experience manufacturing cars, look at the videos of manufacturing process, it's comparable, machines do the hard work and people do the finishing touches.

Once it's all said and done, it would take many years for Apple to recoup it's losses. Another problem is the upgrade cycle for cars, which is considerably longer than for smartphones. Once the Apple Koolaid drinkers have all bought the car their sales will slump for years until the next upgrade cycle hits. And this will be an expensive car too, if practically every other product that Apple has ever released is any indication, so they won't see millions of people lining up to get them.
Upgrade cycle is a moot point. Apple is a growth stock. Investors want to see growth. Apple would go from no marketshare to possibly a lot of marketshare. So stock prices would go up for a long time until Apple finally plateaus.

The biggest problem of all though is just fundamental business 101. If you're going to enter an industry that already has a lot of competitors, your product needs to be 10x better if you really want to succeed. With the way Apple Maps has turned out, I just don't see this happening here. Since Google has a large advantage here, Apple really should go back to the drawing board and stick to what they're good at: consumer electronics.
Electric cars are 10x better for a lot of people.

And AI really would be easier than a self driving car, since AI is just software and Apple can be pretty good at big software efforts. Think of Siri, for example. It already builds large convolutional neural networks. I don't think most people realize just how close we are to a full blown AI revolution...except Google of course, they know it and they're investing big because they're the only ones with the sense to see where the tech world is really headed.
Self-driving tech is AI.
 
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