Did it though? Did anyone seriously think we'd see a car with no pedals or steering wheel any time soon? To me it always sounded like a joke.
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Apple Car Project Scaled Back and Delayed, Won't Feature Full Self-Driving Capabilities
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They've got the money to work on the problem, they should. That doesn't mean they can't continue developing CarPlay.
The reality for the near term, however, is probably that any sort of autonomous driving outside clearly-marked highways is not going to be feasible, and the feature should really be restricted on local roads. It's a menace, carmakers like Tesla have vastly oversold its capabilities, and it's just encouraging even worse driver behavior. Waymo and the like are, at a functional level, no closer to actually having a feasible car than they were when they started.
Same here. This reminds me of 6000 SUX from the Robocop movie. 🤣
The 6000 SUX was a large 4-door, executive type car with reclining leather seats, cruise control, and a Blaupunkt radio. It additionally had a fast speed and the mileage of 8.2 miles per gallon.
I remember Jony Ivy mentioned not having a steering wheel. I don't think he ever saw a critical movie: Twister.
I confess, if you said “Change Pods” to me, I'd have no idea what you meant and might just go play some music, too.
Having owned a car without full self-driving capabilities, I’ve come to realize that I just need highway driving, lane detect, collision avoidance, etc. On a long drive, that gives me all I need to make travel a lot more pleasant.
Johnny Cab made no sense, but on DM she did self drive once she got off the highway
I setup a Shortcut to change my airpods from any other source to my iPhone 'cause I keep forgetting to do that before I go to bed and like to listen to Podcasts when I'm making breakfast.I confess, if you said “Change Pods” to me, I'd have no idea what you meant and might just go play some music, too.
I know there was no need to actually respond and explain this but, dammit, I wanted to, because being blasted with Dance Music five minutes after waking is NOT OKAY!
OK, but there are some of us who cannot drive (I have vision problems) so we are eagerly awaiting truly autonomous cars. I hope it happens in my lifetime. Where I live in Scotland, and indeed in the UK in general, the wheels are coming off of public transportation (I dare not say more for risk of being suspended for political discussion). Autonomous cars are not just about convenience, but accessibility.
I agree. I think the "killer apps" for self driving cars will be picking up the kids from school, not needing a designated driver at parties, and sleeping on long road trips.
No. Apple is excellent at making small electronics. That includes phones but cars are a totally new ballgame.
Well this sounds like a dream for authoritarian regimes.
This project should be scrapped and Apple should focus on CarPlay - especially with what they showed off earlier this year.
So rather than hit and run, educate me on how great Tesla is with supply chain. Because I don't know a single project that Tesla has announced that has not been YEARS delayed, and providing product is part of the supply chain no? And, stories of people's orders being delayed are also more common than on time delivery. And google doesn't seem to agree with you, supply chain delays seem to be common to Tesla even before the pandemic. Or at least that was the excuse Tesla routinely uses, you seem to know better.
But the funny thing is, I didn't even imply in my post that Tesla was BAD with supply chains, only that Apple was better and could help them. So how about addressing that, because if you think Tesla understands supply chains better than apple then its not me that is grossly misinformed. Apple routinely delivers hundreds of millions of products on time. And like Cook or not, he is widely regarded by experts over the years to be great at supply chains (this recent snafu with China notwithstanding).
But, the major point of my post was perhaps a tongue and cheek implication that Tesla and Apple would collaborate on a vehicle as evidenced by Elon recently visiting Apple. I suspect Elon would love that. And it would benefit Apple too, so .. maybe?
Maybe someday at least on highways 100% self driving will truly be possible. That is a far way off though. Too make it truly 99.XX% safe as nothing is perfect, mass change needs to happen. 100% of cars on the highway will have to be self driving, the highway itself needs to be designed with self driving in mind. All the cars must have the ability to communicate with other cars near them. Crazy humans and wildlife must also be kept far away from the highways.
Even then it will not be perfect because human beings and wildlife are not rational at times. On regular surface streets there will always be way too many variables to make it safe. Examples, Think about how often you have seen a Taxi/Uber Driver etc. do something really dumb? Often it's not necessarily the driver doing dumb but their passenger or potential fare doing something dumb and driver obliging or forced to oblige. Think about passenger demanding driver to stop RIGHT HERE!! regardless of whether it may be a safe place to stop. Think middle of intersection, right in front of a driveway, or immediately around a blind corner. Or someone desperate or impatient at trying to hail a cab that they jump in front of one trying to stop it. Often oblivious to the surroundings around them or how their actions may affect other drivers.
Also think about all those homeless or mentally unstable individuals out there who do the unpredictable.
As humans we can see and make out deer, dog, cat etc. quickly recognize that they are present and may react irrationally by darting into the roadway. When we see that we adjust our driving accordingly. We can also discern the difference between a soft blanket in the roadway that is safe to run over. On the other hand we can discern the difference of a body in the roadway that may be an injured pedestrian or ejected vehicle occupant. With that information we can make the decision and execute evasive action even if it causes an accident. That is a very human judgment call with many variables.
A few months ago I avoided a multi vehicle accident. I was on the highway behind a pickup truck with a load full of stuff in the bed and a ladder secured to a rack. Everything looked okay and nothing in particular looked alarming, but through an abundance of caution I reduced speed, fell back and switched lanes. A minute later I saw the ladder go loose and fly into the middle of the roadway. Caused a 3 car accident but luckily I was about 100 feet away two lanes over. That was a huge sigh of relief thanks to human intuition.
Oh!! almost forgot to mention the almost daily scenarios where I avoid accidents by recognizing drivers and pedestrians who are distracted by cell phones.
AI & self driving has a long way to go the list of examples goes on and on. I have seen countless WTF moments on roads that AI will never be able to account for and comprehend. I am sure everyone has stories or scenarios that would not bode well for a self driving vehicle.
We need to get away from using the term self driving as it lulls people into putting too much faith in the system. This idea of self driving is what has caused many of the accidents in the vehicles we have seen so far. Self driving is not a reality at this point. Everything we have so far from every maker Tesla included has been driver assist features. People need to accept his and realize that "Self Driving"is still science fiction at the moment.
Even then it will not be perfect because human beings and wildlife are not rational at times. On regular surface streets there will always be way too many variables to make it safe. Examples, Think about how often you have seen a Taxi/Uber Driver etc. do something really dumb? Often it's not necessarily the driver doing dumb but their passenger or potential fare doing something dumb and driver obliging or forced to oblige. Think about passenger demanding driver to stop RIGHT HERE!! regardless of whether it may be a safe place to stop. Think middle of intersection, right in front of a driveway, or immediately around a blind corner. Or someone desperate or impatient at trying to hail a cab that they jump in front of one trying to stop it. Often oblivious to the surroundings around them or how their actions may affect other drivers.
Also think about all those homeless or mentally unstable individuals out there who do the unpredictable.
As humans we can see and make out deer, dog, cat etc. quickly recognize that they are present and may react irrationally by darting into the roadway. When we see that we adjust our driving accordingly. We can also discern the difference between a soft blanket in the roadway that is safe to run over. On the other hand we can discern the difference of a body in the roadway that may be an injured pedestrian or ejected vehicle occupant. With that information we can make the decision and execute evasive action even if it causes an accident. That is a very human judgment call with many variables.
A few months ago I avoided a multi vehicle accident. I was on the highway behind a pickup truck with a load full of stuff in the bed and a ladder secured to a rack. Everything looked okay and nothing in particular looked alarming, but through an abundance of caution I reduced speed, fell back and switched lanes. A minute later I saw the ladder go loose and fly into the middle of the roadway. Caused a 3 car accident but luckily I was about 100 feet away two lanes over. That was a huge sigh of relief thanks to human intuition.
Oh!! almost forgot to mention the almost daily scenarios where I avoid accidents by recognizing drivers and pedestrians who are distracted by cell phones.
AI & self driving has a long way to go the list of examples goes on and on. I have seen countless WTF moments on roads that AI will never be able to account for and comprehend. I am sure everyone has stories or scenarios that would not bode well for a self driving vehicle.
We need to get away from using the term self driving as it lulls people into putting too much faith in the system. This idea of self driving is what has caused many of the accidents in the vehicles we have seen so far. Self driving is not a reality at this point. Everything we have so far from every maker Tesla included has been driver assist features. People need to accept his and realize that "Self Driving"is still science fiction at the moment.
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Where did I say Tesla understands supply chain better than Apple? Apple being good with supply chain in Apple's business probably doesn't do Tesla much good. Proof? Show us Apple's car. Show us any proof that Apple knows anything about building a car.
Tesla is forcing Ford to eat humble pie with the Ford CEO having to admit that Tesla's strategy is correct. Did you not see the memo? Ford wants to control its supply chain just like Tesla. This doesn't mean that Tesla isn't supply constrained either. It's still better in EVs than Ford.
Maybe you missed the fact that the Model 3 and Y have been grossly outselling other EVs. Ford? Had to stop taking orders for some Mach-E trims early this year. Lets repeat that. Ford is selling way less EVs than Tesla and had to stop taking order for some trims because it could not meet demand. Ford's base Mach-E isn't profitable either.
Tesla doesn't need Apple lol. Any of your guessing is just wishful thinking. Elon has a long history of insulting Apple and it's funny you think Elon would now want to collaborate with Apple on something. On what? Apple Maps in a Tesla? LOL. I think Tesla is right to stick with Google Maps. Maybe Tesla will finally support Apple Music. Slow clap...
An autonomous system doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to match the safety record of human beings, which, sadly, isn't perfect either. Requiring autonomous systems to be perfect delays products for those of us with disabilities who cannot drive. Put another way, suppose in 2030 there is a breakthrough and nearly perfect autonomous vehicles become available. Would you feel comfortable being banned as a human driver because you're not as good? Requiring perfection sounds like a good idea ... until it costs you personally.
The whole AV quest has turned into a self-serving 'industry', where thousands of engineers and AI experts have found employment with in a lot of times spectacular salaries. It has been estimated that this 'industry' has burned through $100 billion over the past decade. It was to be expected that investors would get impatient, particularly given rising interest rates.
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The big question with fully autonomous cars is who is responsible for the cars behaviour?
If the car does something that dangerous that causes death in a scenario where a human driver would go to jail. Who is taking ownership and responsibility of those incidents?
Until that question is answered we will never get fully autonomous cars
Interesting point, but i think it can be handled reasonably well. If the sensors or algorithms in an autonomous car are faulty and cause an accident (even by act of omission), then the manufacturer should be held accountable. If the car is not maintained or not operated in the way suggested by the manufacturer or required by law, then the owner should be held accountable.
I really don't see this is as being very different from what we have now. Imagine an accident if a pedestrian is hit by a conventional car that failed to brake. If the driver was negligent in operating the car, disobeyed the law and drove drunk, or did not maintain the car adequately so the brakes failed, then the accident is their responsibility. If, on the other hand, they were trying to brake but there was a design fault with the brakes and they failed to engage, the manufacturer is responsible.
Autonomous cars do not have to perfect. Just as good or better than humans in avoiding accidents. If people are worried about autonomous cars and legal responsibility, we can apply most of the rules we apply now. And their might be other solutions, such as changes to car insurance that might be able to mitigate concerns about liability.
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This can cut both ways. If even machines can make such mistakes, then what was the justice in imprisoning humans?
IMO, an Apple car could 'hop on the bandwagon' for a post-Tesla EV, that is able to tackle a multitude of issues simultaneously, autonomous being one of those. I summarized it as follows:
