Because some places bus service blows and is only getting worse when the cut routes instead of adding more.Not self driving? Why not just take the bus and it is 100.000% cheaper.
Because some places bus service blows and is only getting worse when the cut routes instead of adding more.Not self driving? Why not just take the bus and it is 100.000% cheaper.
so you never tried it and appear don't understand a thing about what goes in. Got it.People are easily fooled by Enron Musk’s big promises.
“Self-driving” as it is today, is an image processor reading instructions from a database, it does not “make decisions”. That’s why it appears to improve despite being on fixed hardware. FSD is a very distant thing, it’s doubtful it can even be done at all.
It might also help if it stopped causing car crashes and swerving towards pedestrians.
This was already determined years ago.Full self driving seems by the day as another case of tech industry hubris.
Lightning. Got to sell those cables somehow.Waiting for someone to ask whether it charges via USB-C.
The Rokr vs the iPhone is my guess.I'm legitimately curious what the value proposition is here versus another vehicle with well-implemented current or next-generation CarPlay, especially if autonomous driving is taken off the table or severely limited. Cars can already be deeply tied into the Apple ecosystem via CarPlay, and the next generation is open to all manufacturers to deepen the integration. So other than perhaps creating a rival to Tesla, which has thus far shunned CarPlay, what's the point?
Maybe not sharing roads with human drivers... but I could easily see the start of a specialized highway system specifically for FSD cars—potentially publicly funded but privately run with tolls similar to EZ Pass Express—within the next 30 years.There will be no cars that will be Full Self-Driving in our time life frame
But humans do those things far more than current FSD cars. Are you advocating for getting rid of human drivers? Machines don't need to be perfect...just better than humans. We need to stop focusing on individual mishaps involving self-driving cars and instead look to see if full AI control of all vehicles (even with imperfect FSD) would cause less than 16,438 crashes PER DAY and kill fewer than 104 people PER DAY (in the U.S.). If so, then FSD would be a success.It might also help if it stopped causing car crashes and swerving towards pedestrians.
Yea it's ridiculous that there could be an accident a month with Autodrive and those numbers you said for humans, but they attack the Autodrive. And a lot of the articles, the human wasn't paying attention even though they sign off on it.But humans do those things far more than current FSD cars. Are you advocating for getting rid of human drivers? Machines don't need to be perfect...just better than humans. We need to stop focusing on individual mishaps involving self-driving cars and instead look to see if full AI control of all vehicles (even with imperfect FSD) would cause less than 16,438 crashes PER DAY and kill fewer than 104 people PER DAY (in the U.S.). If so, then FSD would be a success.
yep! I also think it's shocking that the media will give major coverage to a single electric car battery fire, but there are on average 476 car fires PER DAY in the U.S. (2021 stat). So, gas cars are going up in flames like crazy but only electric car fires make the news.Yea it's ridiculous that there could be an accident a month with Autodrive and those numbers you said for humans, but they attack the Autodrive. And a lot of the articles, the human wasn't paying attention even though they sign off on it.
But humans do those things far more than current FSD cars. Are you advocating for getting rid of human drivers? Machines don't need to be perfect...just better than humans. We need to stop focusing on individual mishaps involving self-driving cars and instead look to see if full AI control of all vehicles (even with imperfect FSD) would cause less than 16,438 crashes PER DAY and kill fewer than 104 people PER DAY (in the U.S.). If so, then FSD would be a success.
My condolencesat least they don't lie and put out barely functional garbage like elon musk. and yes, i own a tesla.
But humans do those things far more than current FSD cars. Are you advocating for getting rid of human drivers? Machines don't need to be perfect...just better than humans. We need to stop focusing on individual mishaps involving self-driving cars and instead look to see if full AI control of all vehicles (even with imperfect FSD) would cause less than 16,438 crashes PER DAY and kill fewer than 104 people PER DAY (in the U.S.). If so, then FSD would be a success.
Even Johnny Cab and the cars from Demolition Man had steering wheels.A car without a steering wheel was never going to happen. While its obviously something that could be researched, I'm not sure if anyone thought that is what they would release as their first product.
care to explain which part of your Tesla is barely functional? Infotainment? App? Safety features? Autopilot?at least they don't lie and put out barely functional garbage like elon musk. and yes, i own a tesla.
He's probably stuck outside because the door handles have stopped working so can't comment on it yet.care to explain which part of your Tesla is barely functional? Infotainment? App? Safety features? Autopilot?
luckily there's function in the app that can remote open the door. what else you got.He's probably stuck outside because the door handles have stopped working so can't comment on it yet.
"All lawyers now qualify for steeply discounted Generation 1 FSD vehicles!"There will be no cars that will be Full Self-Driving in our time life frame
Not while lawyers exist on this Earth...
Well one part of the whole FSD scam was/is that of rideshare. Reduce the number of cars because you just hail one on your phone , it shows up, no talky/smelly/rapey driver. No cramped compact car backseat either.If we can't comprehend the behaviour of one vehicle we certainly can't extrapolate the behaviour of a complex distributed system of many vehicles. And we definitely won't be able to deterministically assign a liability when something does go wrong. So the idea is a non-starter already.
That's not even a worry though as it's not the limiting factor of the idea. Really it's down to two schools of thought on systems design. First line of thought is you must design a constrained system with no capabilities and add features to it. Second line of thought is you design an open system and remove defects. The latter is where FSD sits. The initial condition has a set of defects which is unknown and they are only found via discovery, which means you have to literally drive it into a tree before the inference network determines that it is defective behaviour. Same as when you spray water on a cat that is trying to piss on the carpet. The work around for this, which is what Tesla are doing, is to attempt to add constraints around it. The result of this, as you've seen is the things clamming up suddenly or attempting to drive into stuff suddenly as applying constraints to an unconstrained system results in non-determinism.
As you can see this entire thing is a **** show. Ignoring where we are now with meat sacks at the wheel, which is also a **** show, it's better to start with a constrained system. That's another essay but ignoring the FSD and electric car hype, if we want to survive the next hundred years FSD isn't going to have an ounce of relevance. Adjusting society around centralisation, lower car ownership and utilising automated public transport is where we should go. Rails are a pretty good constrained system...
And Adaptive Cruise Control with Lane Assist features already accomplish that.Watch movies or multitask? That’s responsible … better use of the technology is safety and reducing driver stress travelling long distances.
Until a heavy rain on a dark day and things stop working. Happens now and then to every car model with radar, camera or lidar systems. You get a dash warning that the bells and whistles are no longer available. Nothing is broken, just the sensors can’t make sense of the world.As long as there are non-self-driving cars on the road, self-driving cars will never work well. If all the cars on the road could communicate with each other to keep safe driving distances, change lanes safely and brake properly, then I'd be all-in for a self-driving car. But the wild card of course is the increasing number of people on the road who drive as if they're in a GTA simulation. As long as they have the wheel, self-driving cars are pretty much pointless. Current computers aren't very good at dealing with recklessness.
Agree 100%. I actually work in the field of risk and safety and authored a report on acceptable risk thresholds for UAS (drone) mishaps. Public acceptance typically relies on five key factors:The problem you have there is perception and tolerance
Despite data, there is far lower societal tolerance for a computer driven system that's killing people (as opposed to human drivers)
"A computer made a mistake and killed my daughter" -- gives people a different gut reaction than "another human made a mistake and killed my daughter".
I have no idea how to conquer that, but it's absolutely a "thing" -- despite how counterintuitive and against the data it is.
Truthfully, this is similar (but different of course) to the problem we have with getting Americans to use, get excited about and fund transit infrastructure projects already. There are a ton of things we should be doing differently (in the US I mean) already ... that we don't ... because of "people" and their habits and biases, etc