Under $100k? Was there a possibility that it would be over $100k? It's crazy to me that anyone on Earth would spend even half that on a car.
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Apple Car Project Scaled Back and Delayed, Won't Feature Full Self-Driving Capabilities
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Why are we even talking about this?
A self-driving car, with our current/expected automotive infrastructure, is INSANE.
It'll be a self-driving coffin for those inside and outside and anywhere in its vicinity.
A self-driving car, with our current/expected automotive infrastructure, is INSANE.
It'll be a self-driving coffin for those inside and outside and anywhere in its vicinity.
They must have wasted billions on this by now. What a waste, it was also unbelievably stupid to even think anyone would buy, let alone it would be legal to sell a driverless car without a steering wheel. Currently I believe the laws are a qualified driver must be at the wheel with full controls, in a car with any automation.
This isn’t a phone with no headphone jack, no sane person would consider it to be ‘courage’ to buy a car with no controls…
This isn’t a phone with no headphone jack, no sane person would consider it to be ‘courage’ to buy a car with no controls…
I made no assertion about how to correctly do FSD, only that the metric of interest should be a comparison between human and machine performance at the macro level.
An existing system that began with unknown defects and gradually improved is well illustrated in commercial aviation, where we can look back at a number of crashes (particularly in the 70's and 80's) that led directly to major changes in a variety of areas that have continually improved safety and reduced rates of casualty per mile flown (e.g., CRM).
When starting with a constrained system (as you suggest), the problem remains that we don't know what we don't know. Ultimately, we will learn from experience and address those unknowns.
"It will allow customers to do things like watch movies or multitask while on highways."
This is why CarPlay is on borrowed time. Car passengers are a captive audience and can be monetized. Most vehicle manufacturers will want to own their entire in-car stack. Why let Apple or Google make $ off your vehicles' passengers when you can. Eventually nearly all car manufacturers will be like Tesla with a custom UI ripe for monetizing. Location based ads, app & game stores, movie purchases/rentals, etc.
This is why CarPlay is on borrowed time. Car passengers are a captive audience and can be monetized. Most vehicle manufacturers will want to own their entire in-car stack. Why let Apple or Google make $ off your vehicles' passengers when you can. Eventually nearly all car manufacturers will be like Tesla with a custom UI ripe for monetizing. Location based ads, app & game stores, movie purchases/rentals, etc.
It's time for everyone old enough to read this sentence to accept that there will not be individual autonomous driving vehicles in their lifetime.
It will eventually happen, people are terrible drivers… 🤷
If Apple actually goes through with this it will be a big fail. They are Not a car company. They need to stick to small electronics.
In the past I posted that Apple was interested only in automotive sub-systems that could be sold to any car manufacturer. A lot us always doubted it was feasible for Apple to align themselves with a car manufacturer to jump into the business.
Nope it’s not tired. Apple Maps has improved leaps and bounds and even has some cool unique features and incredibly detailed street views and iconic building look arounds etc, however even in a major city like london I have to default to google maps to make sure I’m getting the shortest most sensible routes and general reliable information. It has completely been unreliable in its route mapping on too many occasions. When you’re out casually it’s fine that you arrive late somewhere, but when business is involved, Apple Maps cannot be relied upon in my experience.
Perhaps they could do Carplay as a separate project, especially as the vast majority of the car engineers will have compentencies in other areas. Oh wait they are, it's almost as if this massive company don't need to Focus entirely on one thing at a time!
so, basically, apple will start making a car, that will be in the betweens of 70 to 90 thousands dollars, only to be categorized as obsolete by themselves every 5 years? that, in apple language, means no support, no parts.
Cook can socks my cook... I drive euro, btu with that premise, any honda civic from ANY year since it started production, will be a better option. I honestly would buy me 6 KIAs before buying one apple car... at least i know i can use those KIAs till i actually kill them. And that my friend, is what a real car is. I can synthetize the fact that they make technology crap to last only a few years due planned obsolesce, but there is no way i buy the same philosophy for a car. NO, NO AND NO.
I know some of you might get one... but once you do, remember this i say. Swallow your pride, take a deep look in the mirror, and contemplate the idiot that is looking at you. Specially if you went for the first gen
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Cook can socks my cook... I drive euro, btu with that premise, any honda civic from ANY year since it started production, will be a better option. I honestly would buy me 6 KIAs before buying one apple car... at least i know i can use those KIAs till i actually kill them. And that my friend, is what a real car is. I can synthetize the fact that they make technology crap to last only a few years due planned obsolesce, but there is no way i buy the same philosophy for a car. NO, NO AND NO.
I know some of you might get one... but once you do, remember this i say. Swallow your pride, take a deep look in the mirror, and contemplate the idiot that is looking at you. Specially if you went for the first gen
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Were you posting in 2006 that Apple is not a phone company? That they need to stick to computers?
Definitely coming doesn’t mean it’s coming any time soon. Elon’s estimates keep missing and missing despite his claim that it’s basically a solved problem. No it’s not.
I’m not an Elon fan, but if you think Tesla doesn’t understand supply chain you are grossly misinformed.
I’ll take a cybertruck with its breakthroughs in braking, steering, design, headlights, manufacturing, and bulletproof body and windows. Oh wait, wrong company.
I gather the issue (in general) is not the sensors, or the algorithms, or the computing power, but the energy needed to drive all of the electronics and processors. However, chips are becoming more efficient every day so I would imagine we will see this in our lifetime, at least for the rich and possibly for public transport. The systems do not have to be perfect - just better than people.
Not technically possible? Didn’t see that coming. Just one misleading adventure that laughingly suckered in people.
So many tired jokes...
This decision is not set in stone. Their AI team could have a breakthrough next week, putting self-driving capabilities back on the roadmap. That's the cool thing with ML/AI, a world-changing tech really can be one weird trick away (I work in this space, it happens). Of course, ML can also be massively flaky, hence the legal nightmare.
Apple is pretty good about accessibility, you will likely be able to switch the control mechanism to something else — handicap support has been around for a long time.
This decision is not set in stone. Their AI team could have a breakthrough next week, putting self-driving capabilities back on the roadmap. That's the cool thing with ML/AI, a world-changing tech really can be one weird trick away (I work in this space, it happens). Of course, ML can also be massively flaky, hence the legal nightmare.
Apple is pretty good about accessibility, you will likely be able to switch the control mechanism to something else — handicap support has been around for a long time.