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Yep that’s why the build quality for the last few years has been spotty at best. Creaking dashboards let’s not even get started on the sorry excuse for a vehicle let alone a truck the Cybertruck with parts that fall off that shouldn’t be, a design that if you use the Tondreau cover as designed you have no natural way to look out the back, a gas pedal that fell off and the fix for it was drilling a fastener for the gas pedal plate to the actual pedal. To many people driving them off the lot only to get miles away and having to stop because the vehicle has encountered a massive error that won’t allow it to continue.

Sure Tesla’s are just so good right?
Model Y was the #1 car in the world https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-2023/, and this is with zero car ads on TV.

You can try to come up with a bunch of stories, but these cars keep selling with zero CarPlay support. 🤣
 
Well that's fine but it's about choice isn't it?

Yes, its the car manufacturers choice not to include it and your choice not to buy that car.

These car manufacturers are just protecting their own interest. When Apple wants to keep their walled garden everyone is happy and will yell how if people want to side load they should make their own phone. But when a car manufacturer does the same thing it should be about choice LOL

Yall want companies to do what apple want. Apple can build their own car then.
 
I will not consider a vehicle if it lacks CarPlay. I’m sure many agree.
It's that simple for me. My previous vehicle didn't, and at some point when the thing I disliked most about an otherwise good vehicle was the infotainment system--which of course was never updated in any meaningful way, and certainly not once the car was a few years old--I vowed I'd never get a car that I couldn't bring my own computing hardware to and just use the car's screen. Especially now that head units aren't replaceable, so you're stuck with the factory stuff as long as the car lasts.

I don't even use CarPlay every day, but when it comes to road-trips it's an absolute must, and with wireless CarPlay I would use it every day since the music interface is much better than the built-in.

Sure, it's just the infotainment system, but there are lots of basically good vehicles on the market, so if I'm going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for one that I'm going to use for many years, why compromise if it doesn't have a feature I want and will get increasingly annoyed at the lack of the older the vehicle gets?
 
Model Y was the #1 car in the world https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-2023/, and this is with zero car ads on TV.

You can try to come up with a bunch of stories, but these cars keep selling with zero CarPlay support. 🤣
If Toyota had a single model lol. RAV4 and Corolla and Camry alone have almost 2.5 times sales of whole Tesla. Problem for Tesla is Model y sales were high in china for 2023. Now BYD smoked Tesla in china. Model Y isn’t even close to best selling car in the US. Musk better make up the lost Chinese numbers some where else this year.
 
Yes, its the car manufacturers choice not to include it and your choice not to buy that car.
This. If a car company doesn't want to include CarPlay, that's fine, and I'm sure they will have plenty of customers. I just won't be one, because CarPlay is now table stakes for me, personally, when shopping for a vehicle. I know I can always not use it if I have it, but I can't add it if the car doesn't and also doesn't have a replaceable head unit (which nothing I'm in the market for does).
 
If Toyota had a single model lol.
Tesla has more than one model

RAV4 and Corolla and Camry alone have almost 2.5 times sales of whole Tesla.

And Toyota has a *checks notes*, 66 year head start.

+ using a $25k model + different models into the mix? amazing.

Problem for Tesla is Model y sales were high in china for 2023. Now BYD smoked Tesla in china.

1. Now you're switching to BYD instead of using Toyota.
2. You're using BYD hybrids? Lmao
3. Tesla's much more profitable per unit sale than BYD's BEV. If Tesla needs more demand, they can lower prices and still make more money than BYD per unit sale.

Model Y isn’t even close to best selling car in the US.

USA's top sellers are trucks. Tesla barely started selling trucks and already became the best selling USA electric pickup https://insideevs.com/news/726278/tesla-cybertruck-best-selling/

Keep in mind this whole argument is whether or not CarPlay is enough for people to look away from Tesla. You're making arguments about something else.
 
Tesla has more than one model



And Toyota has a *checks notes*, 66 year head start.

+ using a $25k model + different models into the mix? amazing.



1. Now you're switching to BYD instead of using Toyota.
2. You're using BYD hybrids? Lmao
3. Tesla's much more profitable per unit sale than BYD's BEV.



USA's top sellers are trucks. Tesla barely started selling trucks and already became the best selling USA electric pickup https://insideevs.com/news/726278/tesla-cybertruck-best-selling/

Keep in mind this whole argument is whether or not CarPlay is enough for people to look away from Tesla. You're making arguments about something else.
Tesla sold 12 K cyber trucks so far, based on number of recalled vehicles. Thats like 60 times less than best selling truck. I wouldn’t even consider other Tesla other than cybertruck. Too delicate and plastic for my taste. Batteries in winter are a nightmare. Give me something with 450 mile range. I am keen on lucid given the range.
 
OH! A driver admitted! It must be true! Right? There's no way that they're lying. Oops: https://www.drive.com.au/news/driver-admits-tesla-autopilot-not-to-blame-hit-run/

Phantom brakes? Ford does it too. I was told BlueCruise is *superior* than Tesla FSD, yet...: https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...-braking-event-initiated-by-bluecruise.15789/

I drove from LA to Vegas on FSD 12.3.6, zero phantom brakes. Ever since they got rid of radar (which is the source of most phantom braking events), phantom brakes are a thing of the past for me.

Model Y: #1 best selling car *in the world* https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-2023/
I drive a Tesla. I don't suggest others buy one. Just my opinion. Will still you my 3 year old 3 for 30k if you will pay. I'm guessing it's worth 15k. But hey, if you think they are good, buy. Note:I own stock in the miserable company.
 
Question is, does Polestar give that information from the vehicle to the iPhone though?
I really don't like OEM withholding these kind of information and keeping it just to its integrated infotainment system (namely Google!)
Fantastic question. It's the only thing keeping stuck using the AAOS system.
 
Tesla sold 12 K cyber trucks so far, based on number of recalled vehicles. Thats like 60 times less than best selling truck.
It sold more fully electric trucks than Ford even though Ford released theirs earlier. They're production limited, not demand limited. The cyber trucks are currently $100k too. And this is with zero CarPlay.

I have no idea what your point is.

I wouldn’t even consider other Tesla other than cybertruck.

Ok? I'm saying CarPlay isn't enough to get many people to look elsewhere.
 
I drive a Tesla. I don't suggest others buy one. Just my opinion. Will still you my 3 year old 3 for 30k if you will pay. I'm guessing it's worth 15k. But hey, if you think they are good, buy. Note:I own stock in the miserable company.
I have a Tesla already.

I'm simply countering the points you brought up.
 
I will say that I am in the minority by being happy not having CarPlay. That is because I think there are too many distractions in cars. It is my view that drivers should be focused on driving, to the extent that I have strong opinions on how the car industry transitioned cars into rolling entertainment centres. In my own car, I turned off the entertainment system - the 'secondary screen'. I choose to know my routes before I go, so don't need or want nav, and I prefer the silence of the car in this overstimulated world.

As I said though, I accept I am in the minority, and am happy so long as such things can be turned off (this included for me bluetooth, because the car just could not be set to not automatically start playing music from the phone if it was allowed to connect, which works well for me because it also means never having a call come in while driving).

Give me a car that is fun to drive, not a mobile office, movie theatre, or anything else. And I won't get started on the horrible trend of touchscreens in cars - nothing should require the driver to look away from the road.
 
Absolutely not true. Specifically, the "subpar" part. A great modern vehicle actually makes CarPlay work even better.
I love my CarPlay in our 2023/4 Lexus Not exactly crap cars. So if the commenters don't want it, that's ok.
They should not insult the many, many drivers who do love CarPlay
 
Let's do the math here. A typical $40,000 car will be worth about $6500 in 10 years (according to most car depreciation calculators.) So let's say your battery dies after that. It won't be worth replacing it, and your car will be worth zero. This means that the failing battery will cost you $6500.

However, let's say you were charging your car at home from solar panels, and your employer lets you juice up for free, then you'd be saving about $2500 per year in fuel costs. That's $25,000 in fuel savings over 10 years.

$25000 minus $6500 is $18,500. So the EV will be $18,500 cheaper than a gas car over 10 years.

Yeah, this is an ideal scenario, and it won't be such a clear advantage for everyone. However, for many people, this is the kind of math that encourages them to buy EVs.
Your assumption is based on the idea that EV depreciate at the same rate as ICE cars. They don't. EV loses about 30% of it's value year over year:oops: compared to ICE which loses about 6-7% year over year.

I like the idea of EV, but the it seems cost of repairs (no DIY) and build quality yet to catch up.
 
Why would you need to use your phone's screen while driving? You can access contacts, call logs, navigation, audio, podcasts, etc via the vehicle's infotainment without carplay.

It's been said many times before, carplay can be a big upgrade for vehicles that have absolutely rubbish infotainments, but it's lacking in a lot of ways.
Because I use apps, like Overcast, that simply do not exist in on Tesla, Rivian, etc. Without CarPlay, i would be force to used the phone while driving. Bluetooth doesn’t support all of the actions needed for a lot of apps.

Who cares if it is lacking in some ways? So are the cars, good ones and not. Together they are more complete.
 
With respect to “native implementation”, sorry that rationale makes no sense. I have an older Jeep Compass and CarPlay is implemented in a window within the built in native system. Functionally it works great, Although cosmetically it leave a lot to be desired (all of the graphics are smaller). But it operates perfectly. CarPlay does not need to take over the vehicle native system to operate.
That is my point. Some people seem to not understand that you just do task switching to go between the systems.
 
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How's that exactly? I think you have it backwards, in theory, carplay should make the vehicle work better - not the other way around. The fact of the matter is carplay's current iteration isn't designed around the car very well and isn't considerate of basic vehicular functions. I totally understand it's popularity because people are addicted to their iphones and like the iphone like experience it brings, but from the standpoint of what it needs to do to enhance driving and do everything a vehicle needs, it fails.

Carplay as it stands doesn't do anything a car's infotainment can't already do.

For carplay to really enhance your driving experience, it needs deep integration - something that automakers like Rivian, Tesla, BMW, etc already do with their inhouse designs - and the same reason Rivian/Tesla don't care about carplay.
Are you 100% focused on the maps experience because that is the only place where the native apps have some advantage. CarPlay does support reading the battery level and finding charging if the automaker bothers to supply that information. Not sure about preconditioning but it is very rare that I am driving around looking for a charger.

Regardless, CarPlay absolutely does things that the car’s infotainment system can’t do. It can read out messages when they come in and let you respond with voice. For me, almost anytime I’m in the car I’m listing to podcasts. I know that Overcast will never run on those native interfaces. Using bluetooth only allows the most basic functions for podcasts. CarPlay makes it simpler.

i don’t want CarPlay to try to run the car. It is a way to personalize the car and to provide additional functions that the car cannot. You can dismiss my needs as “addicted to my phone”, but I’m just using it the way I need not your needs.

I get that those native interfaces satisfy your needs, but they are not enough for all of us. Is it too much to ask to give us a way to extend and complement what the car maker provides.
 
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No surprise.
Competition from Apple has made the media systems in cars better.
But let's be honest, it's still a disaster in comparison.

I still don't understand why an iPhone SE 1G can display a smooth map view via CarPlay, but the computer in a Mercedes S-Class fails to do so.
I’m glad you mention Mercedes. By no means a crap car, but boy, is their Intotainment system horrible. I hate it so much with these oversized icons, the constant swiping, overal confusing layout, a voice assistant even more useless than Siri, etc. The first thing I do when driving is turn on Carplay.

I’ve read an article they will never adopt the new CarPlay because they want full control over the user experience. That means my next car will most definitely not be a Mercedes.
 
It sold more fully electric trucks than Ford even though Ford released theirs earlier. They're production limited, not demand limited. The cyber trucks are currently $100k too. And this is with zero CarPlay.

I have no idea what your point is.



Ok? I'm saying CarPlay isn't enough to get many people to look elsewhere.

It sold over 3K cybertrucks with faulty gas pedals because they shoddily designed the plate over the pedal which was causing people to accelerate. Oh sure they resolved it by drilling a fastener that holds the two together, it should have never been an issue in the first place.

They continue to sell the truck (and calling that is debatable at best) while parts of it continue to fly off of the vehicle quite randomly for many folks who purchased them. Windshields that are not as tough as they should be and folks still driving it off the lot only to have the vehicle go into a panic service vehicle mode just miles after it’s been driven off the lot.

That's just the cybertruck, Tesla vehicles have had some clear lack of quality for the interiors for years now. People complaining that the dashboards and other parts either creak loudly with the slightest push against them or they fall apart etc. Let alone the truck is basically for looks as an actual truck what many buy a truck for, it fails spectacularly on. It's sorry excuse for a truck bed just does not stack well against other trucks and those are cheaper.

The cybertruck was just the latest in their narcissistic ceo's quest to put out some rushed to market excuse for a vehicle. He knows his bootlickers will buy it up and piss away their money on his half-a$$ed product.
 
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Carplay is whatever. If you've ever been in a car with a good infotainment system like a Tesla, or Polestar. Carplay is a luxury. Of course if you drive crap cars you'd want it
Polestar has CarPlay, homie. Hate to break it to you.
 
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