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iCloud isn't an option when you have lots of working machines and capped internet, like many of us do.

Capped internet? In a pro setup? I seriously have never heard of that. I pay for speed tiers, but internet is unlimited. And at work, I don't pay for anything.
 
Capped internet? In a pro setup? I seriously have never heard of that. I pay for speed tiers, but internet is unlimited. And at work, I don't pay for anything.

Not a pro setup. At home. Which is where most airports are. Comcast and is the biggest provider in the US and has gone to capped internet in many locations with the rest to follow shortly.
 
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Not a pro setup. At home. Which is where most airports are. Comcast and is the biggest provider in the US and has gone to capped internet in many locations with the rest to follow shortly.

I'd switch to something else. You're saying Comcast doesn't offer an unlimited data plan? Never heard of such a thing.

Either way, even at home, as a pro user, I'd much rather plug in my backup disk, and make sure the backup is done when I need it to be, rather than rely on the AirPort, which has become less and less reliable -- I find I have to plug an Ethernet cable into my MBP to get them done in any reasonable time. My MBP can backup to iCloud at work then. Of course, since I use Spectrum/Time Warner, it's not a problem for me to back up to iCloud anywhere. Heck even ATT has an unlimited data plan, so I'm covered if Spectrum decides to follow Comcast down that rabbit hole. Seems to me this is Comcast trying to punish cord cutters who get their entertainment from streaming content, and something the FCC is likely to get involved with if other major cable ISPs follow suit and customers start paying ridiculous fees or face loss of service for going over their cap. Indeed, I'd think Apple would get involved as home internet data caps threaten its very business model, not to mention Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Spotify, et al.
 
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After a disappointing few years. 2016 was the end of a fifteen year relationship. I sat down and thought what I would say to Tim Cook if we ever met. Suddenly I found myself typing out my thoughts which evolved into an email referenced below. I know Tim Cook will never read it, nonetheless it was fifteen years of my life, work and otherwise, that seemed it was necessary for me to send. As I referenced this very thread, I thought I'd share it with you as well.

Thank you for sharing this. I also started to put together an email to Cook, but yours is far more eloquent than anything I could come up with.

Let's not forget, however, that this whole "thinner and lighter" obsession was well underway while Jobs was in charge, as well as the soldering, gluing and sealing up of devices and the predatory pricing for memory and other upgrades.
[doublepost=1480266801][/doublepost]It's time to take the hint of Apple not updating devices for two to three years. I have no long-term confidence in Apple's support for the Mac. Dropping Airport is but the latest evidence of the erosion of the environment that we have all liked so much.

After years of using Apple only devices, I just ordered a Dell Windows desktop for evaluation. It opens easily, has ports galore, room for more internal drives and slots for PCIe cards. Apple won't provide something like that, so I went elsewhere.
 
You can't deny that between shareholders, customers, workforce and nature, there is a clear bias towards the first in our current system. I also think that a better balance would be healthier for us as society.

PS: This is admittedly rather off-topic, so if you want to reply you might want to do so in private.

No, you are looking at the system wrong. There is indeed a balance. It's not a pure balance, capitalism isn't perfection nirvana, but I know of no other economic system that offers anything close to it's self balancing when allowed to function as designed. I don't know of any socialist or authoritarian country that ever consistently produced any goods that were beneficial to consumers or society in general. Every modern product we now regard as a necessity evolved out of capitalism. On whole countries with a capitalist bent have healthier citizens than those where the government largely controls commerce.

In a capitalist economy profits do not come if a product doesn't sell. Good product, sales, customer service can't exist if a company doesn't offer some benefit for people to work there. Gobs of big Forbes and Fortune companies that have outstanding employee benefits and also eco-friendly policies. Also, if you look at U.S. law, shareholders are actually at the bottom of the barrel as far as rights go, so, no I don't see what bias you are talking about. It's as symbiotic as nature. Companies are in business to make money so they need something to sell. They need people to make and create those things and services. They then need customers to buy them. Break the chain anywhere and you have failure.
 
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No, you are looking at the system wrong. There is indeed a balance. It's not a pure balance, capitalism isn't perfection nirvana, but I know of no other economic system that offers anything close to it's self balancing when allowed to function as designed. I don't know of any socialist or authoritarian country that ever consistently produced any goods that were beneficial to consumers or society in general. Every modern product we now regard as a necessity evolved out of capitalism. On whole countries with a capitalist bent have healthier citizens than those where the government largely controls commerce.

In a capitalist economy profits do not come if a product doesn't sell. Good product, sales, customer service can't exist if a company doesn't offer some benefit for people to work there. Gobs of big Forbes and Fortune companies that have outstanding employee benefits and also eco-friendly policies. Also, if you look at U.S. law, shareholders are actually at the bottom of the barrel as far as rights go, so, no I don't see what bias you are talking about. It's as symbiotic as nature. Companies are in business to make money so they need something to sell. They need people to make and create those things and services. They then need customers to buy them. Break the chain anywhere and you have failure.

And, a technology company that forgets that its life blood is innovation is Polaroid or Xerox or IBM OR ...
 
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No, you are looking at the system wrong. There is indeed a balance. It's not a pure balance, capitalism isn't perfection nirvana, but I know of no other economic system that offers anything close to it's self balancing when allowed to function as designed. I don't know of any socialist or authoritarian country that ever consistently produced any goods that were beneficial to consumers or society in general. Every modern product we now regard as a necessity evolved out of capitalism. On whole countries with a capitalist bent have healthier citizens than those where the government largely controls commerce.

In a capitalist economy profits do not come if a product doesn't sell. Good product, sales, customer service can't exist if a company doesn't offer some benefit for people to work there. Gobs of big Forbes and Fortune companies that have outstanding employee benefits and also eco-friendly policies. Also, if you look at U.S. law, shareholders are actually at the bottom of the barrel as far as rights go, so, no I don't see what bias you are talking about. It's as symbiotic as nature. Companies are in business to make money so they need something to sell. They need people to make and create those things and services. They then need customers to buy them. Break the chain anywhere and you have failure.

We live in a free market society and its full of laws as well as nonsense.

As for businesses and such - we saw American auto makers still selling cars well into their "crap" cycle that lasted way over 20 years. We saw Microsoft totally convince multiple nations that its "Windows beta" was worth buying even though it required reboots all the time which is the antitheses of a stable OS. We saw Apple go from innovative, solid machines to suspect designs (happens from time to time) to massive profits over an entirely different piece of hardware (iPhone) and then used its name and good will to tell people what they want and need. So, its not always about solid products nor is it about innovation or whatever but far more about marketing and promotion assuming the product works at some level.

Two most successful car ads of yore - VW (promotion - last car under 2000 dollars) and Rolls Royce (the only sound you should hear is the sound of the clock ticking...showing how quiet the car is). The former boosted sales 43 percent while the latter more than doubled sales. Was the VW a solid car - no. Was the Rolls Royce the ideal top of the line car - perhaps in name but not in care and maint.
 
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I'd switch to something else. You're saying Comcast doesn't offer an unlimited data plan? Never heard of such a thing.

Either way, even at home, as a pro user, I'd much rather plug in my backup disk, and make sure the backup is done when I need it to be, rather than rely on the AirPort, which has become less and less reliable -- I find I have to plug an Ethernet cable into my MBP to get them done in any reasonable time. My MBP can backup to iCloud at work then. Of course, since I use Spectrum/Time Warner, it's not a problem for me to back up to iCloud anywhere. Heck even ATT has an unlimited data plan, so I'm covered if Spectrum decides to follow Comcast down that rabbit hole. Seems to me this is Comcast trying to punish cord cutters who get their entertainment from streaming content, and something the FCC is likely to get involved with if other major cable ISPs follow suit and customers start paying ridiculous fees or face loss of service for going over their cap. Indeed, I'd think Apple would get involved as home internet data caps threaten its very business model, not to mention Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Spotify, et al.

We don't have any other choice here. In many places there is only one provider (unless you go with DSL, which isn't worth the speed difference).
 
So, its not always about solid products nor is it about innovation or whatever but far more about marketing and promotion assuming the product works at some level.

Correct, but I didn't suggest it was or every product and service available would be top notch. Free markets are about, well markets and niches.
 
Maybe they are dismantling the team to focus their energies on a Amazon Echo competitor with similar functionality and capabilities.

Just bought my 3rd echo. They are awesome. Now I've moved over to amazon music they're even better. I have a dot plugged into sonos play 5 and it works superbly. Next year will see full sonos integration. It feels like an SJ era apple product.

I'm starting my move away from apple. 2017 is the first year since the iPhone launched that I have looked at the latest iPhone me thought, I prefer mine. The airport is the best router I ever owned. The coverage is incredible.

It's time people and we all know it.
 
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Just bought my 3rd echo. They are awesome. Now I've moved over to amazon music they're even better. I have a dot plugged into sonos play 5 and it works superbly. Next year will see full sonos integration. It feels like an SJ era apple product.

I'm starting my move away from apple. 2017 is the first year since the iPhone launched that I have looked at the latest iPhone me thought, I prefer mine. The airport is the best router I ever owned. The coverage is incredible.

It's time people and we all know it.

I started my Apple journey with the iPhone 3G and built my system around it. Everything fits together so well - the antethis to the system we use at work (Windows PCs, Android Samsung phones, etc).
I am watching the Apple eco-system unravel with dismay. My own feeling is that when an Android phone (probably a Google phone so there's little to no fluff over the existing OS) truly matches the iPhone experience then I too will start to leave. Not only are Apple unpicking their own system, they're actually leading me to the exit gate of the walled garden.
This year is the first that I haven't updated my iPhone. Everything is so 'meh' with Apple at the moment. As the walls to keep me in are taken down by Apple themselves I think it will be a smartphone that leads me away, just as the iPhone led me in.
 
I'd switch to something else. You're saying Comcast doesn't offer an unlimited data plan? Never heard of such a thing.

Either way, even at home, as a pro user, I'd much rather plug in my backup disk, and make sure the backup is done when I need it to be, rather than rely on the AirPort, which has become less and less reliable -- I find I have to plug an Ethernet cable into my MBP to get them done in any reasonable time. My MBP can backup to iCloud at work then. Of course, since I use Spectrum/Time Warner, it's not a problem for me to back up to iCloud anywhere. Heck even ATT has an unlimited data plan, so I'm covered if Spectrum decides to follow Comcast down that rabbit hole. Seems to me this is Comcast trying to punish cord cutters who get their entertainment from streaming content, and something the FCC is likely to get involved with if other major cable ISPs follow suit and customers start paying ridiculous fees or face loss of service for going over their cap. Indeed, I'd think Apple would get involved as home internet data caps threaten its very business model, not to mention Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Spotify, et al.

Comcast has 1TB caps in the states listed here unless you pay another $50/mo or you are on the Gigabit Pro tier of service, Business Internet, Bulk Internet or Prepaid Internet.

In Chicago, I had constant instability issues with my internet until I cut the cord and went to the Business Internet. I had the 'Deluxe 50' (50D/10U) @ $109.95/mo, analyzed my usage, tested an artificial speed cap on my modem (rate limited my BW to 16/3) to see how it would affect 3 people streaming HULU/Netflix/Amazon/YouTube, PS4 gaming and my work traffic and after it had little impact I switched to the 'Starter Internet' (16D/3U) @ $69.95.
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We don't have any other choice here. In many places there is only one provider (unless you go with DSL, which isn't worth the speed difference).

Totally agree with that. I'm in Chicago and have only one viable choice: Comcast.
However, if you are a cord cutter or considering, check out their 'Business Internet' (not really 'business' in the sense that there's still no real SLAs, but more stable/consistent than their residential service) I started with the 'Deluxe 50' and then downgraded to the cheaper 'Starter' after doing my own testing (3 people streaming/gaming 1 of 3 working during the day over VPN).
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I started my Apple journey with the iPhone 3G and built my system around it. Everything fits together so well - the antethis to the system we use at work (Windows PCs, Android Samsung phones, etc).
I am watching the Apple eco-system unravel with dismay. My own feeling is that when an Android phone (probably a Google phone so there's little to no fluff over the existing OS) truly matches the iPhone experience then I too will start to leave. Not only are Apple unpicking their own system, they're actually leading me to the exit gate of the walled garden.
This year is the first that I haven't updated my iPhone. Everything is so 'meh' with Apple at the moment. As the walls to keep me in are taken down by Apple themselves I think it will be a smartphone that leads me away, just as the iPhone led me in.

Ugh... are you my future?
I got in to Apple for the same reasons/way.
Most of iTunes music content is not DRM'd...but what about the movies I've bought? Arrgh...I'll have to keep something that can play them if I end up leaving in the next few years... although, knowing Apple, they'd probably give me some Windows player that can play their content.

My [unnamed large network equipment manufacturer employer] is perceived as having some of the same issues and that 'things started going downhill when the beancounters took over.' They are trying to turn things around but, who knows.

I think my first step away from Apple, proper, would be building a Hackintosh rather than buying a Pro or something new or perhaps something other than an AppleTV, though I don't know what.
 
Good. Now offer a compelling iCloud TimeMachine option. Like 1TB of backup for $0.99 / month. I'll take that over any new hardware based solution.
What are you going to do, if you need to restore not a file or two, but your entire computer? It will take a long time at 25–50 Mbit/s, which is only a fraction of the Fast Ethernet speed of more than a decade ago.

That’s why you need both. A local backup for bulk restores and a remote backup for convenience and in case a fire or flood destroys your Time Machine.
 
Some one earlier in said that Amplifi was a good substitute. I don't see that - I want a wireless back up system that can just work when I turn it on - all they sell is ROUTERS.

There is nothing like a time capsule out in the market.
Apple better come out with some amazing device that backs up computers, runs a WIFI system, does Television service, is a gaming device, out does all these voice activated search devices and who knows what else.
 
Some one earlier in said that Amplifi was a good substitute. I don't see that - I want a wireless back up system that can just work when I turn it on - all they sell is ROUTERS.

There is nothing like a time capsule out in the market.
Apple better come out with some amazing device that backs up computers, runs a WIFI system, does Television service, is a gaming device, out does all these voice activated search devices and who knows what else.

The synology router has a usb port for external drives, and will handle time machine backups fine.
 
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iCloud doesn't scale well. For dealing with a few gigs of data it's fine, but if you're dealing with hundreds of GB of files you really need to store and back it up locally. For one thing, most people don't have enough bandwidth, especially upstream, to back EVERYTHING up to iCloud.

Also there are trust issues. Your data isn't truly safe unless you have at LEAST two backups that you control.
Your data is also not safe in the hands of Apple. Only a provider with client side encryption is safe for cloud storage, and any company who is ACTUALLY serious about security will be providing this.
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I think this is exactly what Apple plans to do. I can see Tim on stage next year or the year after saying "Time Machine was wonderful technology before you could sync all your data to all devices via iCloud. With iCloud Drive, you no longer need local backups. When your MacBookPro's built-in SSD dies in a year, just buy a new laptop, log in with your iCloud account, and all your data is already there."
An yet iCloud Drive DOESN'T back up your files for longer than one month. And, if that wasn't bad enough, Time Machine doesn't back up the iCloud Drive files from your machine either.

I discovered this recently when a software glitch with the Windows version of iCloud Drive wiped out all my files. I went to restore them from a Time Machine backup only to discover that the local files simply weren't part of the backup. Even following the file structure to the physical location where the files are stored won't allow you to access them. Luckily I did figure out (despite the "help" from Apple "customer service") that they could be restored through iCloud Drive online, but only because the files had been deleted in the last month. This was only after speaking to three people, two of which didn't have a clue what to do, and one of which hung up on me!

ONE MONTH OF BACKUP ON FILES IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

Time Machine allows YEARS worth of backup, if you have the hard drive space, iCloud Drive is NOT an acceptable alternative.
 
The only thing that is going to get them to listen is if they get bombarded with customer complaint letters.

Here is their address:

Apple Inc.
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino 95014
CA

Alas that will never work. Those of us who are moving away, don't have faith in their vision: telling them that they're wrong assumes that they'd know how to fix if they acknowledge it; they don't.

Walk away and eventually the shareholders will make he change for you. The question is, will the next CEO be a toner head.

PS SJ knew that Tim wasn't a toner head and he was right. I believe that Tim lets his product teams drive the company, but those teams were setup to check their work at the CEOs door and Tim clearly hasn't got the skill set to do that: he's no toner head, but he's also no visionary and so is wrong for the job in both ways.
 
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AppleTV and Airport can be consolidated into one small device with custom SSD.

Please explain how you would take the guts of an ATV and a complete ac1750 WiFi router and stuff it all into one functioning small footprint device. I am not being rude here but it darn near seems like a very unlikely fix in that format.

We are seeing more work being done with mesh type networks and perhaps ATVs could be beefed up slightly to be a part of such a network but not an entire router within.
 
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