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Please explain how you would take the guts of an ATV and a complete ac1750 WiFi router and stuff it all into one functioning small footprint device. I am not being rude here

You're not being rude. You just didn't notice how much these two devices have reduced their footprints already since gen 1 and it is bonkers barmy mad to think they can't be consolidated into one custom logic board. On what planet and which civilisation in which universe isn't it possible to reduce the size of components?

Ps. Take away the casing and you'll see furthermore how small the internals are and how much they have been reduced.
 
You're not being rude. You just didn't notice how much these two devices have reduced their footprints already since gen 1 and it is bonkers barmy mad to think they can't be consolidated into one custom logic board. On what planet and which civilisation in which universe isn't it possible to reduce the size of components?

Ps. Take away the casing and you'll see furthermore how small the internals are and how much they have been reduced.

I still am not sure why a full blown router would benefit (or visa versa) with an ATV feature. However, going along with your suggestion that we leave room for merging of features and function, why not make them modular akin to snap together? The only real challenge then is how to deal with a power supply (one for each or something larger included in one of the main devices). I think the notion of "mesh" network is where your idea would work quite nicely. Perhaps one mesh device is with built in ATV features and would be the WiFi of the game/theater/living room area while a TC style one would be in the den for all the computers etc. etc. Then again, perhaps as I stated add the notion of a snap on module to add features.

To be completely honest, I think Apple had a very strong market plan that has been amazingly successful in the past and now the fact it is a rigid plan, it hasn't adapted to changes of the times. - Way too many things about Apple seem to be suffering and it only takes a similar exquisite device from another maker (their version of an iPhone intro) to wreck havoc on Apple (much the way that Apple did in recent times to Microsoft in certain areas).

In my ideal home world - a home would have centralized services plus smart clients (in business terms clients would be both* thick and thin) so that options to go to central is used unless local power is faster at the given time. To translate for others - maybe a major computer is the center that includes not just processing power but would also do other major items such as both stateful and stateless network security and firewall, and each client can use the central computer if needed OR simply use their own or another client's processing so there is minimal lag time, security considered and a smoothness to the experience. I can see Apple doing this and in turn, as they insist they always do (but not really) change how we use computer devices and our perception of need changes.
 
AppleTV and Airport can be consolidated into one small device with custom SSD.

Please explain how you would take the guts of an ATV and a complete ac1750 WiFi router and stuff it all into one functioning small footprint device. I am not being rude here but it darn near seems like a very unlikely fix in that format.

We are seeing more work being done with mesh type networks and perhaps ATVs could be beefed up slightly to be a part of such a network but not an entire router within.

You're not being rude. You just didn't notice how much these two devices have reduced their footprints already since gen 1 and it is bonkers barmy mad to think they can't be consolidated into one custom logic board. On what planet and which civilisation in which universe isn't it possible to reduce the size of components?

Ps. Take away the casing and you'll see furthermore how small the internals are and how much they have been reduced.

I think the most unlikely aspect of all this is Timmy twenty five SKUs Apple consolidating two devices into one tbh.
 
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Apple's priorities are really screwed up...what happened to supporting pros/power users, building machines that had everything you needed in it already? So grateful I upgraded my dying 2011 MBP with one of the 2015 models when I did.

Considering this Airport Extreme (lack of) development, what would be a viable alternative for plugging in some hard drives/SSDs and wirelessly backing up with Time Machine? I'm looking to get something for both me and my mother to back up our machines at home.
 
Apple's priorities are really screwed up...what happened to supporting pros/power users, building machines that had everything you needed in it already? So grateful I upgraded my dying 2011 MBP with one of the 2015 models when I did.

Considering this Airport Extreme (lack of) development, what would be a viable alternative for plugging in some hard drives/SSDs and wirelessly backing up with Time Machine? I'm looking to get something for both me and my mother to back up our machines at home.

I don't know your situation but are you and your mother under the same roof? If yes, you have a few options ranging from drives you attached to your computers independent of one another (external drive per each computer), you may also consider NAS (storage on the network) and if you get another router with a good reputation on their USB3 port, consider adding storage via that connection as in a network share. In my particular case, I don't use TM. I use both DAS (directly attached storage a la external 2.5" drives) and also NAS. I find both of these are sufficient for my local needs.

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If you use a NAS, the biggest challenge most people meet is that NAS drives either are spun down so time is required to spin up and thus get enough out of synch with computers that an operation fails (copy to NAS etc.) or for whatever reason the NAS simply is off line from the computer POV (NAS may be active but the computer cannot see it) and a connection needs to be re-established. There are ways to make sure the NAS is ready before any backup or TM operation.

If you go with external drives directly attached, make sure you have a good cable and note whether the external drive is truly bus powered or should use an external power supply. This can be a failure that runs intermittent when people assume bus power is sufficient and it really is not. Because high speed is really not needed for TM after first time, a decent mechanical drive that is of moderate size might be a good fit for most. Something that is from 1-4 tb depending on real needs.

Drives attached to routers - not my favourite but it does work. I say this as reading from the drive works well but writing to the drives can be rather slow or uneven (meaning if you are copying over both small and large files, the write times for each can be substantially different and take a long time). I tend to find drives on routers great for storing data such as media files or sharing documents between local network computers and users.
 
I don't know your situation but are you and your mother under the same roof? If yes, you have a few options ranging from drives you attached to your computers independent of one another (external drive per each computer), you may also consider NAS (storage on the network) and if you get another router with a good reputation on their USB3 port, consider adding storage via that connection as in a network share. In my particular case, I don't use TM. I use both DAS (directly attached storage a la external 2.5" drives) and also NAS. I find both of these are sufficient for my local needs.

Advice -

If you use a NAS, the biggest challenge most people meet is that NAS drives either are spun down so time is required to spin up and thus get enough out of synch with computers that an operation fails (copy to NAS etc.) or for whatever reason the NAS simply is off line from the computer POV (NAS may be active but the computer cannot see it) and a connection needs to be re-established. There are ways to make sure the NAS is ready before any backup or TM operation.

If you go with external drives directly attached, make sure you have a good cable and note whether the external drive is truly bus powered or should use an external power supply. This can be a failure that runs intermittent when people assume bus power is sufficient and it really is not. Because high speed is really not needed for TM after first time, a decent mechanical drive that is of moderate size might be a good fit for most. Something that is from 1-4 tb depending on real needs.

Drives attached to routers - not my favourite but it does work. I say this as reading from the drive works well but writing to the drives can be rather slow or uneven (meaning if you are copying over both small and large files, the write times for each can be substantially different and take a long time). I tend to find drives on routers great for storing data such as media files or sharing documents between local network computers and users.

We are under the same roof, but we both move our laptops around a lot, so wireless storage would partly mitigate having to worry about dislodging cables or knocking drives onto the floor, even if it meant slightly slower speeds and having to re-establish a connection. I suppose in this respect, an NAS would be the most appropriate option, but it's finding ones that work well with Time Machine that can be the issue. We both already have external drives with backups of important data, like photos and music, but my end goal is to ensure that if one of our SSDs fail for whatever reason, we can get it replaced and immediately recover from the most recent snapshot of the drive to get back to near-enough where we were before. There's probably better options out there software-wise (heard good things about CarbonCopyCloner), but I was hoping to use Time Machine specifically as it's saved my bacon on more than one occasion, and would probably be the easiest for my mother to understand when I'm not around (in our house, if it's technology-related, I get it working/fix it when it breaks).

I have attempted to attach drives to my router (some Technicolor piece of junk that our ISP provided and insists we use 'for the best experience'...pfft), but unfortunately it doesn't want to play nice with HFS+, and doesn't accept HFS+ Journaled formatted drives. The best I can get from it is FAT32. :/

The fallback solution, I suppose, would be to give in get one of the now-discontinued Airport Extreme and attach drives, or just bite the bullet and buy a Time Capsule, but that's quite an expensive option for 3TB when I already have a couple of 2TB external drives lying around. I know going the NAS route won't be much better cost-wise initially, but I had assumed that once I had an appropriately compatible enclosure, I could just swap larger drives in and out of it as required. Whereas with the Time Capsule, I'd be limited without cracking it open and potentially damaging it.

I'm likely confusing both myself and anyone looking at this, so I'm going to shut up now. :p

TL;DR conclusion: I think what I'm looking for is a Time Machine-compatible NAS?
 
Crimson, I would suggest you check out smallnetbuilder site 's section on NAS. They cover quite a few and its more than a review as they include test results. A good WiFi router + NAS isn't a bad way to go. Synology, QNAP, Netgear, Western DIgital, Asus (plus others) offer up smaller NAS devices such as 2 drive and 4 drive.
 
Way too many things about Apple seem to be suffering and it only takes a similar exquisite device from another maker (their version of an iPhone intro) to wreck havoc on Apple (much the way that Apple did in recent times to Microsoft in certain areas).

That maker could have been Sony, but it squandered its position through its decision-making and structure (including some really bad design). However, it also serves as an example of what might happen to Apple and why.
 
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Crimson, I would suggest you check out smallnetbuilder site 's section on NAS. They cover quite a few and its more than a review as they include test results. A good WiFi router + NAS isn't a bad way to go. Synology, QNAP, Netgear, Western DIgital, Asus (plus others) offer up smaller NAS devices such as 2 drive and 4 drive.

Thanks for the advice. I think at most I'd need two drives, so yeah, the larger Synology ones might be overkill for my needs.
 
look into the Synology products. They work very well.
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I have an older Synology 1-bay unit that's running as a network Time Machine destination, and also runs their Surveillance Station app (for a camera I have on my front porch). Constantly amazes me that this app is free (for up to four cameras).

Time Machine works so much faster on my Synology vs. my prev-gen Time Capsule. Been running for about a year now and no corruptions or issues. I also like how Synology lets you put a quota around the backup size, so it won't grow to consume your entire disk. :)
 
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I have an older Synology 1-bay unit that's running as a network Time Machine destination, and also runs their Surveillance Station app (for a camera I have on my front porch). Constantly amazes me that this app is free (for up to four cameras).

Time Machine works so much faster on my Synology vs. my prev-gen Time Capsule. Been running for about a year now and no corruptions or issues. It doesn't put the data in a sparsebundle like the Time Capsule does, so even if it eventually goes tits up, I feel comfortable about manually going in there and getting to my data. I also like how Synology lets you put a quota around the backup size, so it won't grow to consume your entire disk. :)

This sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I'm going to look through all the options, but the one-bay Synology is looking to be a very appealing option.
 
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Yeah, that's what I said when I bought the 12.9" iPad Pro. "They're working on something big, for sure iOS 10 is going to be awesome on this huge iPad." A few months later I got the same phone OS with no improvements for the big screen.

Ah, yes, however one must consider developmental time frames for bringing out new products or categories that do not exist yet. The problem is everyone has these expectations and turn around times for these types of products, just isn't realistic. Most people, not all have no idea the amount of resources involved in bringing any new ground breaking product (or not) to a global market.
 
I asked this in another thread, but thought this one might be more appropriate. Does anyone know the answer to this? Since Apple closed future development of their routers, does that mean that the current models will not be given any more software/firmware updates? I just ordered a new one from b&h photo and if it's no longer going to be supported with future updates I'm going to return it and get a Linksys. Thanks.
 
I would get two if I were you. Not sure why they'd need any more updates as they're fantastic as they are and are sure to provide years of hassle-free performance.
 
Thanks for replying. The only concern is that I've seen that my Airport Extreme has needed firmware updates in the past. I didn't know if they were absolutely necessary. To be honest, I didn't notice any particular problem. I only know that my Airport Utility would indicate that a firmware needed to be installed. I suppose they'll still update their Airport Utility app to make sure it's compatible with future versions of OSX...at least I hope so.
 
I would get two if I were you. Not sure why they'd need any more updates as they're fantastic as they are and are sure to provide years of hassle-free performance.

Not sure that is good advice and it is certainly not sage advice. "Years of hassle-free performance" might exist if the OS doesn't change significantly, if new exploits don't appear require a firmware update, if computer and device network WiFi doesn't change (like inclusion of better 802.11ac or added "AD" etc. and the list goes on. Let's understand that today, not just computers are hung on router IPs but multiple devices which might have their own vulnerabilities that are best handled at the router level.

I am confident that your advice would work well for someone like myself but not for many of my friends who know nothing and would end up getting screwed down the line when a firmware would make sense. I do believe that Apple would support the router hardware for at least 1-2 years after they stop producing them. Just consider their actions as another reason to realize that there is no solid "Apple Eco System" as Apple does its damn best to destroy it.
 
So, in a couple more years, Apple will be nothing more than tablets and phones? Timmy needs to hit the road.
Absolutely. Apple needs a visionary as their leader, not a glorified salesman who understands nothing but numbers.

Fire Tim Cook now before it's too late!
 
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i thought wireless was the future

It is. But until the various outside groups create a new standard, what is there for any engineers to do really. They launched 802.11ac models. When/If someone invents something better, Apple can put together a crew to develop something with it. meanwhile put them to use somewhere else
 
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Im guessing other have made this observation - but the Airport is from an era originally where nobody had router configuration figured out. It was like you could have the turd sandwich or the barf milkshake. Then Apple came along and made it easy. Imagine how many tech support calls Apple has fielded over the years simply due to network setup issues with web based set up and people who had no idea how to use it. Over the years, the gap has gotten smaller and 3rd parties have created some decent setup solutions. As much as I would like to keep buying Apple networking hardware, this move does actually make sense to me.
 
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