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I just hope no one here complaining about paying for the music buys Starbucks coffee...

'cause that would like, not make sense...:cool:
 
I just realized something, I bet Apple gives this back to the customers but only if you purchase the new iPhone 7. I can see it now...we've listened to our customers who want radio back well here it is free only on the iPhone 7. It won't work on previous iPhones due to a whole resigned software of music app only on iPhone 7 and guess what it's better than ever, get the new iPhone 7.
 
Of course it is legal. It is also legal for you to cancel iTunes Match.

Or were you thinking it would be similarly illegal for you to do that?

Of course I'm now going to stop subscribing to iTunes match when my year is up.

I paid for iTunes match for the year (you pay by the year). Even if I cancel now, I will not get my money back.

If you belonged to a fitness club that has a pool and paid for a year of service, wouldn't you be upset if they told you that you can no longer use the pool without paying more money ?

I'm usually against class action suits but, I think it's warranted in this case.
 
Sigh. I guess I now have another apple app that I cannot uninstall then.

Google play music will take the #1 spot and now I might open more often my Amazon music app.
 
I had just started using iTunes radio about a week ago. For some reason I couldn't get Pandora to stream on any home devices (ATV, iPad, iPhone) for more than about 5 minutes, so I figured it was secretly being made wonky by Apple to encourage me to switch to iTunes. I guess now I need to go back and figure out how to get Pandora to stream consistently.


Agreed. Your Avatar picture is scary. Please change this accordingly.
 
I renewed my Match sub in Nov, and my fee was the same then. Even after all my music(3000+ songs) on all my devices were deleted. It happened on my subscription renew date. According to Apple, I never had any music uploaded to begin with. It sounds like a bug on their end, but nothing I can really do about it.

Luckily I had a back up of almost all the music, but all my play counts, playlists and other data was deleted.

After that issue, and now this issue, I am not renewing my Match subscription. Even if they reduce the prices.
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If I read this a few years ago, as a long time Apple fan, I would have disagreed with you.

But Apple has been doing so many silly things lately that it is really starting to turn me off to their stuff. I am not saying that I will be making a big switch anytime soon, but next time I need a phone, computer, or other expensive electronic, I might start looking else where to see what is out there.
I agree, having used Apple products since almost the beginning.

I think they are starting to forget what Apple is (has been).
 
I'm slowly moving away from using Apple services. This crap is ridiculous. I love dead icons on an Apple TV that is no longer being supported.
 
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The chill station was the best! I was wondering why it wouldn't play this morning. Bummer, I'll have to find another station. Pandora maybe?
 
I'm slowly moving away from using Apple services. This crap is ridiculous. I love dead icons on an Apple TV that is no longer being supported.

Apple can't please everyone. Good luck.

I think Apple is doing fine. They just reported the biggest profitable quarter in the history of business (over $18 billion in profits) and have 1 billion active devices.
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File a class-action lawsuit. About time somebody took Apple to court over a legitimate grievance. Heck, I'm an iTunes Match subscriber so I'll join it!

You will lose. They are offering a full refund if you cancel.
 
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I think Apple really mishandled this in regard to iTunes Match paid subscribers.

Apple had identified users willing to pay Apple for streaming music, as those users subscribed to iTunes Match. Wouldn't it have made sense for Apple to target those users for Apple Music? Instead, Apple removes the feature from their already paid subscriptions without notice, making those users upset and less likely to even try Apple Music.

Apple could have simply informed iTunes Match subscribers that iTunes Radio is going away and that subscribers will be allowed to use the new and more expensive Apple Music service for the remainder of their paid subscription term.

Most users would have been fine with that, and Apple would have instantly had their targeted users getting used to having Apple Music.
 
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I just realized something, I bet Apple gives this back to the customers but only if you purchase the new iPhone 7. I can see it now...we've listened to our customers who want radio back well here it is free only on the iPhone 7. It won't work on previous iPhones due to a whole resigned software of music app only on iPhone 7 and guess what it's better than ever, get the new iPhone 7.

doubt it. Apple is going away from all advertised supported services.
 
Do you subscribe to cable television?

Personally, I don't understand some peoples' animosity over subscription streaming services. If it's a purely fiscal decision, such as the fact that the subscription would cost you more money in the long run that's fine.

I tried Apple Music and I didn't like it. The problem wasn't the cost. Like you, I have several thousand purchased songs. What I didn't like about Apple Music is that I can't easily keep track of which songs I've *purchased* versus which songs I've *borrowed* (Apple Music).

Why is this important? Because I may not want to subscribe to Apple Music for the rest of my life. Let's say I add a couple of songs a month to my collection from Apple Music. They're hidden among all my purchased tracks. I now go to cancel Apple Music. Poof - a bunch of my music is gone.

The other issue I have is that I don't *want* all the music in the world. I've put years into curating a collection that I enjoy and gradually add to. The entire iTunes catalog is overwhelming.

And unfortunately, I used to listen to iTunes Radio stations every day. Back to Pandora I guess.
 
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Do you subscribe to cable television?

Personally, I don't understand some peoples' animosity over subscription streaming services. If it's a purely fiscal decision, such as the fact that the subscription would cost you more money in the long run that's fine.

But making it about some sore of philosophical choice is kind of dumb, IMO. Take my situation, as an example. Before Apple Music came along I had well over 3,000 songs in my library. Probably 40% of them purchased from iTunes. I was spending on average more than $10 a month for songs that I was buying, and I have been doing so for years. With Apple music, for less per month I get to download and listen to any one of literally millions and millions of songs on a whim. The fact that I can put up to six people on the account for $15 a month (there are currently 3 on my account) makes it even more economical.

To use you example about listening and discovering new music, Apple Music shifts that in your favor. Now, when you hear a song or an artist that you like you can, for no additional money go out and find more of their music, and download and listen to it.

Apple Music has helped me discover music from artists I had already known by allowing me to download much bigger portions of their catalog, thereby showing me music of theirs that I would have never otherwise seen or heard.

I don't see cable TV and a Music Streaming subscription the same. People - or at least most people I know - don't listen to music the way they watch TV or Movies. TV and movies, you might find something you really like, so you buy it usually after already watching it. Music I listen it over and over and over again. I love listening to music. There are artists that I love and I listen to constantly. I always have music on. To me, I see Apple Music as a way to download music I love for one price, $10 a month. That's great. However I will fall in love with an artist or tracks and want to own them. Sure, I can still buy them, but why since I have Apple Music?

Well, now Apple Music goes by the wayside like iTunes Radio did. All that music I paid to listen to and download is gone. I now must repurchase all the music I loved because half my library is just gone. I only download music I love, and even then my library is huge. It has multiple genres, artists, albums. From classical, to R&B, to pop and yes even some country. I would rather keep buying music monthly - even if it totals up to more then Apple Music - to know that I own it and the loss of a subscription service is not going to make me loose it.

Maybe I listen to music differently then most, but Apple Music isn't the end-all, be-all for everyone. Same could be said for any service. Netflix and Hulu work better then cable for me, but someone might see differently for themselves. I loved iTunes Radio. It helped me discover artists and songs that might not be played very often on the local radio, and if I liked the song I would actually buy it.

That said, I appreciate the time I had with iTunes Radio. It was actually one of the better services Apple offered in my opinion, one that actually worked well - even after they tried to cripple it when Apple Music came out. Some may have had problems but iTunes Radio was usually trouble free for me. I have already moved back to Pandora and Spotify's free tiers.

What you will "have to show for it" will be the music you enjoyed without buying. Enjoying no limits on how much music you wanted to hear at any given time, by any artists, in any order. For God's sake, have you ever rented a movie? You pay less than buying it would have been and, for whatever period of time the rental is agreed upon, you can watch it to your heart's content. THAT is what ANY subscription service is about. Seeing/hearing/playing premium content during a limited amount of time for as often as you like during that period for FAR less than purchasing it outright. When it comes to media, people (I am NOT singling you out here) are really greedy these days.

When it comes to music, yes people can get greedy. I know I am. Music was the first real home media before TV and movies. We were first able to play movies at home in the 1970's maybe, but music at home has been around since the 1800's (if you were rich enough). I will keep my stack of CDs in my room for the artists I love and buy singles through iTunes. You can use Apple Music to your hearts content, but it doesn't mean that it works for me.

I hope this now practically dead Radio tab is removed because I know I am not putting up with Zane Lowe and lackluster music they play on Beats One. It's just not my taste.
 
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I tried Apple Music and I didn't like it. The problem wasn't the cost. Like you, I have several thousand purchased songs. What I didn't like about Apple Music is that I can't easily keep track of which songs I've *purchased* versus which songs I've *borrowed* (Apple Music).

Why is this important? Because I may not want to subscribe to Apple Music for the rest of my life. Let's say I add a couple of songs a month to my collection from Apple Music. They're hidden among all my purchased tracks. I now go to cancel Apple Music. Poof - a bunch of my music is gone.

The other issue I have is that I don't *want* all the music in the world. I've put years into curating a collection that I enjoy and gradually add to. The entire iTunes catalog is overwhelming.

And unfortunately, I used to listen to iTunes Radio stations every day. Back to Pandora I guess.

Where did you read that your purchased music would disappear if you cancel AppleMusic? I have AppleMusic and one of the playlists is purchased music. I doubt they would delete the music you already purchased.
 
Bummed to lose iTunes Radio as part of my iTunes Match subscription. Todays events had the unintended consequence of showing me that I have access to Amazon Prime Music, which I've never really looked at before... so now I'm using that for radio and it's already paid for for the year.
 
Bummed to lose iTunes Radio as part of my iTunes Match subscription. Todays events had the unintended consequence of showing me that I have access to Amazon Prime Music, which I've never really looked at before... so now I'm using that for radio and it's already paid for for the year.

I have Amazon Prime and Apple Music. Amazon Prime Music selection is extremely limited.

Keep in mind that many of the services that are 'free' on Amazon prime may not be in the near future. Wall Street is putting extreme pressure on Amazon to increase profitability. They are not happy with the meager profits Amazon is making. So don't expect Amazon Prime Music to be free for much longer.
 
No I do not subscribe to Cable TV. The only subscription I have is internet, Netflix and cell phone, because I use them sufficiently to justify plus other reasons I will explain.

Subscription is based on paying whether you use the service or you don't. The company has figured out what on average a typical person uses and then charges you more than that so they can profit. However, I already have a 20k song library, I do not need tons of music and usually only buy 1 or 2 songs per month with some months more and some at zero. So 2 buck to buy or 10 buck for streaming -- the numbers are not justifiable. In addition, at least in my use case, I listen to my music multiple times. I have several songs with a play count in the triple digit. Buying once and using unlimited makes more sense here.

Netflix, I am on the other end of the spectrum. I rarely if ever see a film more than once. In this case purchasing does not make sense and renting does. Through Apple TV you can rent a single movie for about $6 dollars US. Since I still pay $8 dollars US for Netflix, just two movies a month justifies that subscription.

The point is that Apple is going to lose customers and sales from people with my use case. If your use case is different, fine. Hopefully Apple has figured out that they will make more money this way and the labels and artist are good with it. Because the reality is that this new approach encourages subscription over purchases.

For me that is bad, and looks like for you that is good. Have fun; I will be in the corner quietly crying just a little.

Well, then it sounds like you've made your decision based on economics, and not on some ideology. And that is good. But your original statement that you "won't pay for subscriptions" seemed a little dogmatic to me.

I will take one exception to what you said in your reply, though. I don't think that companies typically "figures out what on average a typical person uses and then charges you more than that so they can profit." I believe the smart companies figure out a place where it makes sense for most people to subscribe versus not subscribing, and tries to make that sweet spot profitable. This is especially true when a new service is coming into being. The last thing a smart company wants is subscribers who feel like they're being pinched, and it's hard to get subscribers to sign up to begin with if they don't think there is a value to them.
 
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