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I don't disagree at all. Everyone has made excellent points. I just don't trust our government or the health care industry any longer. And don't put anything past them. Unfortunitly I will never be able to prove anything. Maybe my case was all these reasons good reasons can't explain all the cases that seem to have increased rapidly over the years. I really hope I'm wrong .
 
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I don't disagree at all. Everyone has made excellent points. I just don't trust our government or the health care industry any longer. And don't put anything past them. Unfortunitly I will never be able to prove anything. Maybe my case was all these reasons good reasons can't explain all the cases that seem to have increased rapidly over the years. I really hope I'm wrong .

Maybe it's time to completely reconsider where you get your information. Your life may vastly improve if you stop being reinforced to worry so much.
 
Here is one connection that big pharma and their minions in the government do their best to keep away from the public.

Seriously? You believe that fraud? You don't realise Big Pharma (yea I agree it exists) would rather we get sick with measles etc. than get a vaccine - which earns them very little money. "Science" as you call it gave us the devices we are communicating with right now. Too bad, at least I agree with you on the privacy issue.
 
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It's not just me though,plenty of info and from a variety of sources. Surly there is a small cause of concern.

What I'm saying is, if you get your information from BS sites like Natural News, Dr. Mercola, Food Babe, etc. you are doomed to fail. There is a sphere of pseudoscience that feeds on itself, all to encourage you to buy expensive crap they sell to make you "healthier".
 
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What I'm saying is, if you get your information from BS sites like Natural News, Dr. Mercola, Food Babe, etc. you are doomed to fail. There is a sphere of pseudoscience that feeds on itself, all to encourage you to buy expensive crap they sell to make you "healthier".

Oh I hear ya on that. And I really get my news from alternative media with a small drip of main stream . I don't buy into all that expensive crap. I strongly feel a bit of exercise, a healthy diet and sleep is all one needs to remain healthy.
 
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The problem I see is that the scientists aren't inspiring much confidence with the public.
You'll always have the extremists who don't believe anything they say and are convinced a big conspiracy theory is the truth. But I'm talking about all of the news articles that conflict. I remember growing up, for example, my parents were told we should eat margarine and avoid butter because it was much healthier. Now they're saying that margarine was far worse and butter isn't bad at all. Same thing with coffee.... Good for you! No, bad for you! No, wait ... good for you! And the latest advice? Sugars were our real problem all along, not fats -- and fats we said were particularly bad like coconut oil or avocado? The best of them for you!


I love it when ordinary people think they know science more than scientists.
 
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Everyone knows that this is marketing driven, but I'd prefer this sort of marketing that actually delivers some sort of social impact, rather than the usual drivel we see.

I'm having a bad reaction to all the "it's so moving," "I have tears in my eyes" type reactions to this ad. On the one hand, yes, it's good that this video is raising awareness of Autism. On the other hand, I don't like how this singles out a disability. I think there was an ad for FaceTime where it showed a series of people using FaceTime to talk to each other in different situations, and one of the sequences was two people using FaceTime to talk to each other in Sign Language. I loved that spot, but I think I would have hated it if it was an entire ad just focusing on deaf people talking to each other using FaceTime. I think being one of a series of how Apple tech impacts people's lives help dissipate the feel of being used for marketing, whereas being the sole focus of a video makes me more conscious of the marketing aspect.

But it's great that technology is helping people communicate, be more creative, more productive. And I wish everyone were able to get access to the technology that helps them be the best they can be.
 
Autism is a total misunderstanding of human evolution. Many say it is not a "problem" but in fact an advancement of humanity where mechanical, optic and acoustic communication between bodies are transcended by something much more efficient.

Large groups of so called autistic people are incredibility efficient communicating with each other by other means. However, the "muggles" cannot tune-in this way. They fell left out and label those more efficient as "deficient" since they are passed. Anyone exceeding at a competition seeing the crowd trying to hold you back knows exactly what I'm talking about.

What a ridiculously awful and sweeping statement. SOME autistic people can communicate with other autistic people - it's a very limited thing. Listen to what the kid says - he found it to be hell before he could 'speak'. Do you really think that he never met up with other autistic kids? They just drafted in a therapist for a decade and let him run amok?

Whether autistic kids can converse via this 'more efficient' means of communication or not, there is still an overwhelming potential for them to be emotionally isolated. Imagine not being able to tell your own mother that you love her, or value what she does for you?

There's a difference between being held back intellectually, or physically, and being held back emotionally. I would argue that, if my child's emotional intelligence was impeded, it wouldn't matter how clever they were. If they weren't individual in nature, if they couldn't object, agree, or assert, then I would do everything in my power fix that - irrespective of whether I held him/her back otherwise.
 
There is NOT ample evidence that vaccines are harmful, quite the contrary.

You seem pretty confident in your belief that vaccines are incapable of harm, and that vaccines have no credible association with autism spectrum disorders.

I happen to have done a reasonable amount of independent investigation into this subject. I discovered things like this (just one example):

Many vaccines, at the time they are injected, contain non-trivial amounts of Triton X-100, Octoxynol, Sodium Deoxycholate, and/or Sodium Taurodeoxycholate. These chemicals are cytotoxic — they cause cells to leak or explode by weakening their walls. This catastrophically mimics the membrane attack complex (MAC). The MAC is regulated by proteins to target foreign cells and avoid self-cells, respond to signals calling off the attack, and overall is integrated into complex (and sensitive) signaling and feedback relationships. But these vaccine chemicals are unregulated within the body, hit cells at random, continuously destroy cells, and disrupt signaling/feedback relationships. This can result in demyelination, neuropathy, dysferlinopathy, beta-amyloid growth, reperfusion injury, myasthenia gravis, and brain swelling. The research for this is available in PubMed and Toxnet (for starters), and it has nothing to do with Wakefield. If you need help finding citations I can walk you through it.

ASDs are defined in the DSM by a collection of behavioral symptoms. If you have the symptoms, you can be diagnosed with an ASD. Consequently, anything (in fact, everything) that causes those symptoms is by definition a cause of the ASD. Our world is swimming in chemicals demonstrated to cause physiological problems which in turn produce the behavioral problems. Are vaccines the ONLY source of exposure to such chemicals? Of course not. But to defend vaccines as universally safe is to remain misinformed.
 
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Why do I get the feeling that Apple is merely exploiting Autism or any disabled people to sell their products?

Tim Cook: "Today, I would like to tell you that iphone 7 plus will help blind people be more productive if they purchase 128gb model which cost only $999."
People: "WOW! Good Job, Apple!"
Tim Cook: "Yes..yes. Now, I would like people to know that Apple Music Subscription will help deaf people improve in listening. They just need to pay up $29.99 per month to help these kids."
Phil Shill: -walks up to the stage- "....Innovation my A**"
People clapping

Tim: "Alright...we got a video for you."
During the video
Timmy's mom: "My Son lost both of his arms last year..and I felt helpless. I knew that if I brought ipad pro for him, he'll succeed in life. He will be a better person."
Timmy: Uses his tongue to click an app. "bwaah bwahh uuugghh."


I see a handful of people on MR who make similar type of comments. I'd hate to go through life thinking this way.

I thought this article and videos of Dillon are a nice human interest story. Whether you are born with communication challenges like Dillon or end up with a similar communication problem later in life due to a stroke or amputation or something like that, I think it's wonderful companies like Apple developed products that make one's life easier to communicate and bring users into the mainstream of discussion and creativity and help people be more self-sufficient. There are also great developers out there devoting their time and skills to more of a niche market. I doubt money is top on the list of why they go that development path. Products like Apple's iPad make this possible due to ease of use and a lot of forethought in how people can tap into it. I've enjoyed reading comments from those with a real stake in how the iPad had assisted them. It's a device I use every day with little thought to how much nicer life is. Can't imagine how joyful it must be to see one's kid being able to really communicate with you for the first time thanks to it.
 
Which is likely part of why it was redefined to include millions more people. I once asked a psychiatrist to define "Aspergers", part of the autism "spectrum". Long story short, she couldn't. I refuse to be diagnosed as something which cannot be defined.
It's a complex syndrome, and you have to tick a whole lot of (mostly developmental) boxes to get that diagnosis - it's not easily definable at all (my brother and wife are both on the spectrum, but are very different).. The aspergers name is falling out of favour anyway, they just call you autistic generally now - probably because aspergers has a load of expectations and that don't match up with the (pretty strict) diagnostic criteria. In the UK it's *incredibly* hard (possibly impossible?) to get an adult diagnosis without input from the parents. Nobody would be going through the adult diagnosis process without good reason, it's pretty tortuous. Anyone jumping through all the hoops for their kids too obviously has real concerns about their child's wellbeing.

I've come across people who're self diagnosed "trendy" asperger teens, but they're pretty clearly different to anyone who I've met who's had a full diagnosis.

Also it makes no sense to me that anyone could think big pharma is interested in more aspergers/autism diagnosis. The majority of AS patients take no meds, certainly none that are unique to the diagnosis and would differ from what they'd be prescribed without it. The correct AS diagnosis is just as likely to have a negative net effect on the amount of meds they're taking if they also get the correct support, and tools necessary for a better quality of life.
 
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I see a handful of people on MR who make similar type of comments. I'd hate to go through life thinking this way.

I thought this article and videos of Dillon are a nice human interest story. Whether you are born with communication challenges like Dillon or end up with a similar communication problem later in life due to a stroke or amputation or something like that, I think it's wonderful companies like Apple developed products that make one's life easier to communicate and bring users into the mainstream of discussion and creativity and help people be more self-sufficient. There are also great developers out there devoting their time and skills to more of a niche market. I doubt money is top on the list of why they go that development path. Products like Apple's iPad make this possible due to ease of use and a lot of forethought in how people can tap into it. I've enjoyed reading comments from those with a real stake in how the iPad had assisted them. It's a device I use every day with little thought to how much nicer life is. Can't imagine how joyful it must be to see one's kid being able to really communicate with you for the first time thanks to it.
I don't have any problem with disabled people, as matter of fact, I encourage them to be successful in whatever they use. What I'm saying is let the professionals or experienced health care teams handle that and not let dysfunctional tech companies like Apple specialize something they barely know anything about.
 
Autism acceptance month?! WTF?! Who doesn't "accept" autism?! Are we really so primitive that we need an "acceptance month"?! Sadly, yes. We're basically monkeys with smartphones.
You will most likely only see support for this issue because people can first hand see and sympathize the effects of autism even though it might not affect them. If we were talking about black history month or women's month, the vitriol would be pouring in.

This is a great ad and I hope Apple truly continues on this path. We've come a long way since the "I'm a Mac" ads.
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I say there are better ways to helps kids than spending money on iproducts.
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I think you missed my point.
As you've missed what Appe intended to do with his ad, connect, sympathize with human emotion, showcasing a world of possibilities their technologies create. Exploitation of autism, something you mostly likely don't care about, isn't what's happening here.
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I don't have any problem with disabled people, as matter of fact, I encourage them to be successful in whatever they use. What I'm saying is let the professionals or experienced health care teams handle that and not let dysfunctional tech companies like Apple specialize something they barely know anything about.
Showcasing the versatility of a product is not specializing.
 
Autism ACCEPTANCE month? Do people not accept autism? Shouldn't it be Autism Awareness month?


Got the feeling that we already recognize the spectrum of autism exists. So accepting those individuals with it and being more embracing in inclusion would be more of the goal.
 
You seem pretty confident in your belief that vaccines are incapable of harm, and that vaccines have no credible association with autism spectrum disorders.

I happen to have done a reasonable amount of independent investigation into this subject. I discovered things like this (just one example):

Many vaccines, at the time they are injected, contain non-trivial amounts of Triton X-100, Octoxynol, Sodium Deoxycholate, and/or Sodium Taurodeoxycholate. These chemicals are cytotoxic — they cause cells to leak or explode by weakening their walls. This catastrophically mimics the membrane attack complex (MAC). The MAC is regulated by proteins to target foreign cells and avoid self-cells, respond to signals calling off the attack, and overall is integrated into complex (and sensitive) signaling and feedback relationships. But these vaccine chemicals are unregulated within the body, hit cells at random, continuously destroy cells, and disrupt signaling/feedback relationships. This can result in demyelination, neuropathy, dysferlinopathy, beta-amyloid growth, reperfusion injury, myasthenia gravis, and brain swelling. The research for this is available in PubMed and Toxnet (for starters), and it has nothing to do with Wakefield. If you need help finding citations I can walk you through it.

ASDs are defined in the DSM by a collection of behavioral symptoms. If you have the symptoms, you can be diagnosed with an ASD. Consequently, anything (in fact, everything) that causes those symptoms is by definition a cause of the ASD. Our world is swimming in chemicals demonstrated to cause physiological problems which in turn produce the behavioral problems. Are vaccines the ONLY source of exposure to such chemicals? Of course not. But to defend vaccines as universally safe is to remain misinformed.
What they may have intended to say was the positives outweigh the negatives.
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Now that's the stupidest thing Ive read on MR in a minute. The fact that acceptance of people different than you mean that you are criminalized for being a man... Maybe you should give examples of criminalization for being a man instead of just leveling a baseless accusation.
White male being ostracized and demasculated is definitely one of the all time stupidest comments posted here.
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I'm not living my life by any form of dogma. I'm not "genderless". I'm not "raceless". I'm certainly not "malleable". I have my own thoughts and ideas and I inform those thoughts and ideas through new information every second. My great family history informs me about my cultural past. But I live my life the way I wish to.

I'm not going to put limitations on my life nor do I seek to put limitations on other people's lives just because something is or is not stereotypically a male thing or a female thing. It is possible to be both individualistic and collectivistic. People do not need to subscribe to one or the other. Your assessment of me is entirely wrong.


Please elaborate on your previous comments, firstly, on how you have been severely ostracized and the ways it has deeply demoralized you. And, secondly, why you think it is unfashionable, socially unacceptable and illegal to be a man?

I'd like to understand your particular perspective much better than what has been communicated so far.
You are someone I want to be friends with.
 
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You will most likely only see support for this issue because people can first hand see and sympathize the effects of autism even though it might not affect them. If we were talking about black history month or women's month, the vitriol would be pouring in.

This is a great ad and I hope Apple truly continues on this path. We've come a long way since the "I'm a Mac" ads.
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As you've missed what Appe intended to do with his ad, connect, sympathize with human emotion, showcasing a world of possibilities their technologies create. Exploitation of autism, something you mostly likely don't care about, isn't what's happening here.
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Showcasing the versatility of a product is not specializing.
Would you bet your life on that?
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You will most likely only see support for this issue because people can first hand see and sympathize the effects of autism even though it might not affect them. If we were talking about black history month or women's month, the vitriol would be pouring in.

This is a great ad and I hope Apple truly continues on this path. We've come a long way since the "I'm a Mac" ads.
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As you've missed what Appe intended to do with his ad, connect, sympathize with human emotion, showcasing a world of possibilities their technologies create. Exploitation of autism, something you mostly likely don't care about, isn't what's happening here.
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Showcasing the versatility of a product is not specializing.
The trend of going for health related subject is.
 
You've got it right - except the new social expectations are a symptom of increased socialism and feminism and demasculinization. That is not a good thing.

For example, men are severely ostricized in university settings - especially White men. I just went through that - it was the worst experience of my adult life - and I fought it well, but was deeply demoralized.

So the apparent increase in autism and aspergers is artificial and more or less false: it is due to manliness being pathologized, even criminalized, and also the ever more inclusive set of criteria supposedly warranting psychiatric medication - which in itself it a thoroughly debunked marketing ploy by the pharmaceutical industry.

It has become unfashionable, socially unacceptable and at times illegal for men to be men - we have been brainwashed and legislated into acting "social" like women.
You should think about how you felt in that moment of ostracization and wonder how someone who is gay, black, disabled, female puts up with it on a daily basis for the rest of their lives. University ends, sexual orientation does not.
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Would you bet your life on that?
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The trend of going for health related subject is.
Definitely not, people like you exist.
 
Why do I get the feeling that Apple is merely exploiting Autism or any disabled people to sell their products?

Tim Cook: "Today, I would like to tell you that iphone 7 plus will help blind people be more productive if they purchase 128gb model which cost only $999."
People: "WOW! Good Job, Apple!"
Tim Cook: "Yes..yes. Now, I would like people to know that Apple Music Subscription will help deaf people improve in listening. They just need to pay up $29.99 per month to help these kids."
Phil Shill: -walks up to the stage- "....Innovation my A**"
People clapping

Tim: "Alright...we got a video for you."
During the video
Timmy's mom: "My Son lost both of his arms last year..and I felt helpless. I knew that if I brought ipad pro for him, he'll succeed in life. He will be a better person."
Timmy: Uses his tongue to click an app. "bwaah bwahh uuugghh."

I don't have any problem with disabled people, as matter of fact, I encourage them to be successful in whatever they use....

No didn't think that. At all. The attitude towards Apple and perhaps other companies, although Apple was target referenced in your earlier post, is exactly what I find sad.

....What I'm saying is let the professionals or experienced health care teams handle that and not let dysfunctional tech companies like Apple specialize something they barely know anything about.


You do understand that Apple doesn't create the apps the kids are using? Those in medicine and professionals working in the field have long wished for companies such as Apple to develop devices and their OS with some of their needs in mind. Thankfully technology has advance to the point that they can without creating specifically for those groups, like iPhone and iPad devices that can easily switch to larger type, bolder type, reading text, zoom, Internet articles that can be put in Reader mode and read electronically, Siri. I know people at Apple and they work with developer groups all the time helping them create great apps to work with their underlying devices. It's their feedback Apple takes to heart. For the people at Apple, and I will give the benefit of the doubt...at other tech companies too, it really is about doing something to make people's lives better. I haven't seen one post by those living with autism or such (or family members) once disparage Apple for putting out the Dillon videos. Quite the contrary.
 
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No didn't think that. At all. The attitude towards Apple and perhaps other companies, although Apple was target referenced in your earlier post, is exactly what I find sad.




You do understand that Apple doesn't create the apps the kids are using? Those in medicine and professionals working in the field have long wished for companies such as Apple to develop devices and their OS with some of their needs in mind. Thankfully technology has advance to the point that they can without creating specifically for those groups, like iPhone and iPad devices that can easily switch to larger type, bolder type, reading text, zoom, Internet articles that can be put in Reader mode and read electronically, Siri. I know people at Apple and they work with developer groups all the time helping them create great apps to work with their underlying devices. It's their feedback Apple takes to heart. For the people at Apple, and I will give the benefit of the doubt...at other tech companies too, it really is about doing something to make people's lives better. I haven't seen one post by those living with autism or such (or family members) once disparage Apple for putting out the Dillon videos. Quite the contrary.
1) I really don't care if you like my comment or not. You could just ignore it. Nothing I said is sad. If you find that sad...then that's really your problem.
2) Apple isn't going to help with brain scan or ECG...or maybe physical therapy...is it?
 
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The problem I see is that the scientists aren't inspiring much confidence with the public.
You'll always have the extremists who don't believe anything they say and are convinced a big conspiracy theory is the truth. But I'm talking about all of the news articles that conflict. I remember growing up, for example, my parents were told we should eat margarine and avoid butter because it was much healthier. Now they're saying that margarine was far worse and butter isn't bad at all. Same thing with coffee.... Good for you! No, bad for you! No, wait ... good for you! And the latest advice? Sugars were our real problem all along, not fats -- and fats we said were particularly bad like coconut oil or avocado? The best of them for you!
I can understand skepticism, but that's just the scientific research process playing out. Scientists are getting new data all the time and it takes a while to sort stuff like this out. Who knows, maybe with all the side effects in medications maybe vaccines do have negative effect on the brain. But right now, the research doesn't completely support that.
 
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