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So how does iPad actually helps? How is this different to writing or typing on a typewriter. I also form words from letters, and sentences from words while typing or speaking.

I taught Special Ed for 22 years and had first hand experience with some of these guys. They don't begin with any grasp of a printed word as a module of communication. It's so beyond Johnny Can't Read that's it's positively alien. That technology is able to give these people a voice as demonstrated here is amazing.

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The fact that you've asked the questions quoted above proves that you are unable to understand their logical answers. I spent two years at masters programmes in the UK from 2013 until 2015 attempting to combat feminine "logic", and I have learned that it is impossible. And I was ostracized by people like you, who believe to their core that they operate with noble intentions. However, they are eternally unaware that their entire cosmology is anti-male, and also, by nature, anti-White. That is the conundrum that we White males face - no one except for White males has the nature or capacity to understand us. We are cast out into our individuality just as much as our nature inspires it. That is precisely the impetus of our success, and the cause of the vitriolic hatred directed at us by everyone else.

On a side note, I fully include Japanese males in with Caucasian males as being in this same conundrum. But that's where I draw the line.
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I was raised in Berkeley, California, where black women have been on the top of the social pyramid since the 1960s. You may reject this assertion, nevertheless it is true. So I have most certainly been ostracized for my entire life.

Since you will still refuse to believe that I was mistreated - in fact, oppressed - by blacks for my entire childhood, I'll give you a good example of the way that blacks behave towards Whites in the San Francisco Bay Area, and have been behaving this way since the Civil Rights era. Here is a link to a very recent video showing an assault and hate crime committed by a black female student against an ostensibly White, Jewish student at San Francisco State University:

I don't disbelieve that you were mistreated. I just don't support the idea that white males are more oppressed than other minorities. Statiscally it's just not representative of the majority of cases.
 
Coming from a county with a national health system with a government regulated definition of "health" this is no surprise. Drop the NIH, free market your health care, let the population determine what is healthy instead of cloistered elites that can't win a pub fight, conditions will improve.

As Steve Jobs said, "Here is to the crazy ones ..."
If there's one thing the free market did well, it was deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.
 
I really don't see the necessity for a diagnosis.
Well, first, it's very important and useful for kids needing help like Dillan. This video was posted earlier in the thread, I think it needs to be posted again. You might not care what other people think, but as a parent you'd certainly want to understand why your kid was acting this way so you could help him.


As for those of us who appear neurotypical but aren't ("high functioning" is the inaccurate term) and why we might need a diagnosis, please check out my post #115. It can still be useful to know. I'll give you an example: some friends of my husband thought I hated them because I wasn't responding as a neurotypical person would to them. Now, whether I cared what they thought of me or not was irrelevant; my husband cared. These were his friends and he didn't want them to think badly of me, or to think that I thought badly of them. That would have hurt him and hurt them. And there was no good reason to hurt these people. They weren't imbeciles, and well worth talking to. If your friends had a mistaken idea about someone, which had them worried and hurt, you'd be eager to fix that, wouldn't you?

So, he explained that his wife was on the spectrum. And that not only made them feel better, but made it easier for them to relate to me. If I'd not been diagnosed, and remained, myself, ignorant of being Aspie, then many of those I care about, my husband included, would continue to mistake many of my actions. Another quick example: I have a colorblind friend. People often wonder why he's wearing clashing colors. If he didn't know he was colorblind, he wouldn't understand what their problem was. He does know. So he can say, "I'm colorblind. I'm guessing I'm wearing clashing colors?" People stop frowning and smile instead.

In short: the world is neurotypical, and it views what we do from that perspective. A neurotypical person would act this way because "X." But an Aspie does it because "Y." It can really help in our relationships, and yes, friendships if others know that when we sometimes react in a way that signals "x" to them, it's not "x." It's "y."
 
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I don't disbelieve that you were mistreated. I just don't support the idea that white males are more oppressed than other minorities. Statiscally it's just not representative of the majority of cases.

Regardless, I am citing what the situation most certainly is in the San Francisco Bay Area and has been for the past 50 years. Also White caucasians (as opposed to Indians who are arguably caucasoid) are without question the minority in comparison to other races, including the negroid race. So who is the oppressed minority on the world stage? My friend who is English told me that he spoke to an NHS coworker the other day who told him that the Zimbabwe government had imprisoned, tortured he and his wife and raped his wife in a Zimbabwean concentration camp until they agreed to sign over their farm property. That was eight years ago. Blacks are no less bigoted than any other race. So the cries of "oppression" are sounding very hollow indeed.
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Instead of criticizing my comments for not completely understanding your view, maybe you could be constructive and bridge the gap with me. I was hoping you could describe specific examples of how you were severely ostracized and exactly the ways it has deeply demoralized you? I'm certain there are many individuals in the MacRumors forums here who have been ostracized in some form or another through their lives, so it would be interesting to understand the specific ways in which you have been. No one refuses to believe you, but to understand you better you could describe your experiences in detail.

Also, maybe you could give your own definitions of what is male and what is female?

I can't comment or give a judgement on that video because I don't know the whole context except to say there seems to be an altercation between some students and that's not good at all. I don't like seeing people interacting like this. Universities are meant to be places to learn and grow, not get caught up in arguments.

That was not an argument. The black woman accosted and assaulted the White (Jewish) man. It was a racially motivated attack plain and simple. If it had been the other way around you would not call that fact into question.

You deliberately call into question my experience of ostracization by asking me to explain it. If I were a woman being discriminated against you would take it for granted.

Like I wrote previously, it is impossible to argue with the female mind. Only domination can conquer it - be that psychological (as in pavlovian conditioning - not rational discourse), emotional or physical. You insist that gender is fluid, yet I believe that only the gender of physiological hermaphrodites ("intersex" to put it in politically correct terms) is fluid. I have no problem accepting that we have dual natures as human beings which contain elements of both male and female energy, but we also have roles to play in the order of things. Harmony cannot exist without complementarity, and complementarity requires opposition. Ergo sexual dimorphism.
 
That was not an argument. The black woman accosted and assaulted the White (Jewish) man. It was a racially motivated attack plain and simple. If it had been the other way around you would not call that fact into question.
Okay, fine. What has this to do with autism? Nothing, as it happens. In fact, you even missed the point of the original ORIGINAL argument some 150 posts back. The original, original point was that the male autistic's lack of emotion was in line with what used to be expected of all men. But the fact that it used to be "unmanly" to cry doesn't mean that neurotypical men didn't want to cry. They could want to cry, they could need to cry, but the social order of the past didn't ALLOW them to cry. It punished them if they did. Thus, when times changed and men were "allowed" to cry if they needed/wanted to, then autistics who used to be invisible became more noticeable. Which, it was argued, explains why one sees higher numbers of autistics now. Because a little boy who doesn't cry when most are allowed to cry, and would cry, is noticed.

You took all this to mean that men are now being forced to cry even if they don't want to--and concluded that this went farther, to the point where they are being badgered and abused. But that wasn't what the original original post said. And it is besides, irrelevant to this thread. Putting it another way, if you want to argue that you're part of an abused minority, you'll have more success proving it in it's own thread. In this one, it's just getting lost, muddied, and leaving you looking very strange indeed because this has nothing to do with autism.
 
We should be careful though - this is heding into politics with the discussion of vaccines etc. We need a separate thread for this - as far as autism and the Apple ad is concerned well good for them. Just like the privacy issue Apple realises this is a good marketing point among its target clientèle so yea they're doing it for the profit. Still a good thing.
Yes, I agree.

It's easy and also logical to be
cynical when it comes to mega businesses and their motivations. The main motivation is ultimately to bring value to the share holders. However, Apple is doing this by doing a lot of good things and that should be appreciated. Apple seems to have no competition in business strategy at the moment. They find ways to create value by, when it's possible, doing good things. Compared to most of their competition they excel at this and it's obviously not by chance.

And when Dillan says he can see the wind and hear the flowers I believe he does not speak in metaphors, he can actually see the wind and hear the flowers. This is something the slaves to the scientific world view will never be able to understand, being locked into a miniscule cube that defines their so-called reality. They could learn so much from autistic persons, if they just stopped relating to them as machines gone wrong.
 
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Regardless, I am citing what the situation most certainly is in the San Francisco Bay Area and has been for the past 50 years.

The burden of proof falls on you, anecdotal information doesn't support your claim. What you've said might be believable in places like Atlanta, Birmingham, Jackson, DC (I'll even throw in Oakland just for fun) but the entire bay area? An area that mostly employs white males who make much more money on average than the few females or other minorities in the tech industry? Call me when Google is turning away hundreds of white people because "negroids" have taken their jobs. A Youtube video of a black chick harassing someone isn't oppression. A white male leadership that hires mostly white males is. Especially when its been proven time and time again there are equally qualified minorities who get passed over for positions.
 
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I am one, actually. I was diagnosed with autism, despite not really having any difficulties. I'm a little odd, I myself admit, but I object to being labeled as something, simply because they dramatically expanded the definition in the past decade.

Are you forced to declare that you have autism?

My impression is that it is such a complex area that you could say no, you don't feel that you have autism and you don't feel the diagnosis would help you at all.

On a different note, would love to send some of these ANTI-VAX keyboard warriors to some third world countries where they don't even have disinfectant and they could see first hand just how ****ING lucky we are to live in this wonderful society.

I personally do not know if ALL vaccines are free from long term serious side effects, however I'm pretty confident that no serious studies have ever been "covered up" into the issue, and if a vaccine is shown to cause issues, it is dealt with.

I would prefer to take my chances with a vaccine than with all of the diseases they prevent.
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Like I wrote previously, it is impossible to argue with the female mind. Only domination can conquer it - be that psychological (as in pavlovian conditioning - not rational discourse), emotional or physical.

Must. Stop. Reading. The. Comments.

Damn.
 
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Regardless, I am citing what the situation most certainly is in the San Francisco Bay Area and has been for the past 50 years. Also White caucasians (as opposed to Indians who are arguably caucasoid) are without question the minority in comparison to other races, including the negroid race. So who is the oppressed minority on the world stage? My friend who is English told me that he spoke to an NHS coworker the other day who told him that the Zimbabwe government had imprisoned, tortured he and his wife and raped his wife in a Zimbabwean concentration camp until they agreed to sign over their farm property. That was eight years ago. Blacks are no less bigoted than any other race. So the cries of "oppression" are sounding very hollow indeed.
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That was not an argument. The black woman accosted and assaulted the White (Jewish) man. It was a racially motivated attack plain and simple. If it had been the other way around you would not call that fact into question.

You deliberately call into question my experience of ostracization by asking me to explain it. If I were a woman being discriminated against you would take it for granted.

Like I wrote previously, it is impossible to argue with the female mind. Only domination can conquer it - be that psychological (as in pavlovian conditioning - not rational discourse), emotional or physical. You insist that gender is fluid, yet I believe that only the gender of physiological hermaphrodites ("intersex" to put it in politically correct terms) is fluid. I have no problem accepting that we have dual natures as human beings which contain elements of both male and female energy, but we also have roles to play in the order of things. Harmony cannot exist without complementarity, and complementarity requires opposition. Ergo sexual dimorphism.
Your views are entirely and unnecessarily rigid about gender roles. You also make blanket assumptions that are false. Dealing in stereotypes is not helpful to anyone including yourself. People can do and be anything they want irrelevant of their physical attributes at birth.
RE the video, I said there was an altercation and it wasn't good. I didn't even get from that video that the male with dreadlocks was Jewish. Universities are often places for unusual projects, so how do you know that the video wasn't a student project dealing with stereotypes? Can you explain what is the context, what led up to it, what happened after, did the incident get reported? Why post the video? Does it prove a point? Does it prove an argument you are making? Was the video necessary for me to understand your experience of being ostracized? Is that you filming or being filmed?
If you are saying you have been ostracized, then I'm taking that on face value and am not disputing it. I believe you. But, as I would ask any person making the claim you make, I would ask what specifically happened to understand the details. Your unwillingness to describe your situation does put some doubt into my mind about the truthfulness of your claim.
There is no need to conquer anyone.
If I can give some advice, I think you need to be a bit more reasonable. You have exactly no idea who you are in conversation with here but it is apparent you've built up walls by making a whole bunch of generalizations that support a narrow view of the world and me which is unfortunate.
If you're interested to discuss you own incidents being ostracized, please do so, I'm all ears ready to listen to you. If not, then good day and all the best, I came here to discuss Apple and accessibility, and the conversation is way off track now.
 
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I would prefer to take my chances with a vaccine than with all of the diseases they prevent.

I'm curious; when a person experiences a negative reaction to vaccines and the chemicals they contain, and decides to carry on living by taking their chances with the diseases rather than all of the vaccines and the chemicals they contain, do you believe it remains important to label that person adversarially and ship them off to a devloping country to ensure they appreciate this society with the same persepctive as you?

Some of the people you label Anti-Vax may consider themselves to be Anti-Harm.

Adverse reactions happen. At least some of them could be avoided if people were screened prior to administration of a one-size-fits-all schedule, but currently tht's not how our system works. So people discover their vulnerabilities after the fact, after the injuries occur. For the people who decide not to take that risk again, and for the people who don't want to take that risk to begin with, do we allow them medical self-determination -- the right to decide what is or is not put into their bodies? Do we sacrifice a few, against their will, for the preference of the many? It becomes a debate over who gets to live and with what quality of health. It is not an easy debate, and for people who feel their lives are at risk (both sides of the issue) the language too often becomes mean-spirited and belligerent.

I do agree that autism is a complex issue. At age 3 my kid was diagnosed with autism by three separate entities; a respected children's hospital, a specialist in the field, and the school district. In my experience, this arena is enormously complex and people who are not in the thick of it easily misunderstand it even with the best of intentions. I hope you never have to go through this.

Steering back towards the thread: Apple touched on autism, and it is difficult to touch on something as complex as autism without stirring the pot of issues involved.
 
.And when Dillan says he can see the wind and hear the flowers I believe he does not speak in metaphors, he can actually see the wind and hear the flowers. This is something the slaves to the scientific world view will never be able to understand.
Actually, it IS the scientific world view which IS understanding this and EXPLAINING it to those unlikely to believe it. Most of those non-believers being anti-science types who refuse to believe scientific proofs that go against what they want to believe is true (like those who say being gay is unnatural even when science proves that it is common and natural).

I have an aunt who is a scientist, and she is doing groundbreaking work that proves, for a fact, that some people can see colors the rest of us can't. Would you say to her that being a "slave to science" is keeping her from understanding this greater truth? Likewise, it WAS scientists who investiaged and PROVED that people who say they can see smells or touch colors (synesthesia) are telling the truth. That this is a real phenomena.

Yes, there are plenty of scientists, like so many people on this planet, who want to lock things into a nice and easy boxes. But that's being human. PEOPLE do that. But science, itself NEVER does that. Science investigates claims, even outrageous ones, and sees if they have validity. Like on mythbusters where they'd sometimes believe something wasn't true, but on doing the experiment, found to their astonishment that it was (elephants, for example, do avoid mice! Who knew?). Science actually has Dillan's back in this. It can and has substantiated his claims to *literally* seeing the wind and hearing the flowers.

So, being a "slave to science" supports Dillan's claims; it doesn't undermine him.
 
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I'm curious; when a person experiences a negative reaction to vaccines and the chemicals they contain, and decides to carry on living by taking their chances with the diseases rather than all of the vaccines and the chemicals they contain, do you believe it remains important to label that person adversarially and ship them off to a devloping country to ensure they appreciate this society with the same persepctive as you?

Some of the people you label Anti-Vax may consider themselves to be Anti-Harm.

Adverse reactions happen. At least some of them could be avoided if people were screened prior to administration of a one-size-fits-all schedule, but currently tht's not how our system works. So people discover their vulnerabilities after the fact, after the injuries occur. For the people who decide not to take that risk again, and for the people who don't want to take that risk to begin with, do we allow them medical self-determination -- the right to decide what is or is not put into their bodies? Do we sacrifice a few, against their will, for the preference of the many? It becomes a debate over who gets to live and with what quality of health. It is not an easy debate, and for people who feel their lives are at risk (both sides of the issue) the language too often becomes mean-spirited and belligerent.

I do agree that autism is a complex issue. At age 3 my kid was diagnosed with autism by three separate entities; a respected children's hospital, a specialist in the field, and the school district. In my experience, this arena is enormously complex and people who are not in the thick of it easily misunderstand it even with the best of intentions. I hope you never have to go through this.

Steering back towards the thread: Apple touched on autism, and it is difficult to touch on something as complex as autism without stirring the pot of issues involved.

Yes I do believe everyone should be given vaccines that have been proven safe over a long period of time with no evidence to the contrary.

Like taxes, they are to the benefit of our society. If you want to live in this society, pay taxes and take vaccines.

Taxes pay for things no other single entity could possibly afford. Vaccines avoid catestrophic epidemics that have the potential to kill millions and destroy communities.

Whether you consider these things a blessing or curse, they are supporting our way of life and have done for many years.

Currently the statistics in the UK state that 1 in 1 million patients experience an anaphylactic reaction (which has no long term consequences, it's just hard to go through at the time). That is 65 patients in the whole UK population. Sure it stinks to be that one person, but what is the alternative? Having whole "trendy" communities refusing to take their shots, and then the whole community dying of small pox?

I once saw this Dad who believed his daughter getting mumps was "gods will". Then his daughter was deaf for the rest of her life. Great decision not to vaccinate! Father of the year!
 
Yes I do believe everyone should be given vaccines that have been proven safe over a long period of time with no evidence to the contrary.

I think I see where you are coming from. Vaccines are completely safe and have been for a long time. No proof anywhere to the contrary. My kid doesn't count as any kind of proof, even though his doctors point to him as proof. And the similarly injured kids we've ended up helping along the way (odd how communities spring up to address non-existent problems) are not evidence to the contrary either. To round out this way of thinking, let's be sure to discount ALL of the scientific literature, including the copious literature that demonstrates how various vaccine chemicals are recognized as toxic when used for anything except vaccines. o_O

Like taxes, they are to the benefit of our society. If you want to live in this society, pay taxes and take vaccines.

The only things certain in life are death, taxes, and (now) vaccines. Brilliant!

Taxes pay for things no other single entity could possibly afford. Vaccines avoid catestrophic epidemics that have the potential to kill millions and destroy communities.

Whether you consider these things a blessing or curse, they are supporting our way of life and have done for many years.

Currently the statistics in the UK state that 1 in 1 million patients experience an anaphylactic reaction (which has no long term consequences, it's just hard to go through at the time). That is 65 patients in the whole UK population. Sure it stinks to be that one person, but what is the alternative? Having whole "trendy" communities refusing to take their shots, and then the whole community dying of small pox?

You obviously believe what you've been told, have confidence in your personal powers of logic, and feel emboldened by the comon sense you are equipped with. It might surprise you, but for 40 years I held the same view as you. It was only after things went wrong, and I had to start asking uncomfortable questions, then wrestle with the inconvenient evidence, that I began to see the picture differently. You're not there yet, and you may never be. Please though, try not to think of me as thick.

Statistics, what fun! Who produced that one, and by what methodology? Did "they" clinically monitor 1 million patients and find just 1 who had an anaphylactic reaction (a mild, non life-threatening one at that!), or did they observe the entire UK population, see 65 reactions (all mild, wow!) and "math it down", or more likely did they sift through a bunch of records and take an epidemiological SWAG at it? Maybe they looked at records for all (ALL?) vaccinations given during the past 20 years (or ??) and spotted the one-in-a-million signal that way? Or maybe they have a very specific definition for "anaphylactic reaction"? I'm confident the UK has its sizable share of life-threatening reactions to Gardasil -- why should its population be any different than everywhere else in the world? So maybe they looked at just one specific vaccine in one specific population subset in one narrow age range and extrapolated from there. A citation would help, otherwise it might look like your statistic was pulled out of thin internet.

I once saw this Dad who believed his daughter getting mumps was "gods will". Then his daughter was deaf for the rest of her life. Great decision not to vaccinate! Father of the year!

Ooh, ooh, I'll play! My daughter was fully vaccinated against measles, then she got measles anyhow. No kidding. Can I be Father of the Year, too? Maybe just for a day? ;)

On topic: My kid, who has receptive language processing delays, used a specially written app that aided his ability to read and spell. Could it have been accomplished on different platforms and devices? Sure, but the developer wrote it for iPad, that's what we used, and we're grateful.
 
it is impossible to argue with the female mind.

Statements like this throw any credibility you have out the window. Don't you think it's hypocritical to be complaining about being discriminated against, while making stereotypical, discriminatory generalizations like this?
 
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Are you forced to declare that you have autism?

My impression is that it is such a complex area that you could say no, you don't feel that you have autism and you don't feel the diagnosis would help you at all.

On a different note, would love to send some of these ANTI-VAX keyboard warriors to some third world countries where they don't even have disinfectant and they could see first hand just how ****ING lucky we are to live in this wonderful society.

I personally do not know if ALL vaccines are free from long term serious side effects, however I'm pretty confident that no serious studies have ever been "covered up" into the issue, and if a vaccine is shown to cause issues, it is dealt with.

I would prefer to take my chances with a vaccine than with all of the diseases they prevent.
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Must. Stop. Reading. The. Comments.

Damn.
I said I am a fake autistic (because I was diagnosed with it, merely because of the expanded definition, and (admittedly) being a little odd). I never declared myself as being one. I am not one, hence the "fake" part. I'm not sure where your rant about "knowing how lucky we are" comes from. I know it, most don't. That's all I'll say on that.
 
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I think I see where you are coming from. Vaccines are completely safe and have been for a long time. No proof anywhere to the contrary. My kid doesn't count as any kind of proof, even though his doctors point to him as proof. And the similarly injured kids we've ended up helping along the way (odd how communities spring up to address non-existent problems) are not evidence to the contrary either. To round out this way of thinking, let's be sure to discount ALL of the scientific literature, including the copious literature that demonstrates how various vaccine chemicals are recognized as toxic when used for anything except vaccines. o_O



The only things certain in life are death, taxes, and (now) vaccines. Brilliant!



You obviously believe what you've been told, have confidence in your personal powers of logic, and feel emboldened by the comon sense you are equipped with. It might surprise you, but for 40 years I held the same view as you. It was only after things went wrong, and I had to start asking uncomfortable questions, then wrestle with the inconvenient evidence, that I began to see the picture differently. You're not there yet, and you may never be. Please though, try not to think of me as thick.

Statistics, what fun! Who produced that one, and by what methodology? Did "they" clinically monitor 1 million patients and find just 1 who had an anaphylactic reaction (a mild, non life-threatening one at that!), or did they observe the entire UK population, see 65 reactions (all mild, wow!) and "math it down", or more likely did they sift through a bunch of records and take an epidemiological SWAG at it? Maybe they looked at records for all (ALL?) vaccinations given during the past 20 years (or ??) and spotted the one-in-a-million signal that way? Or maybe they have a very specific definition for "anaphylactic reaction"? I'm confident the UK has its sizable share of life-threatening reactions to Gardasil -- why should its population be any different than everywhere else in the world? So maybe they looked at just one specific vaccine in one specific population subset in one narrow age range and extrapolated from there. A citation would help, otherwise it might look like your statistic was pulled out of thin internet.



Ooh, ooh, I'll play! My daughter was fully vaccinated against measles, then she got measles anyhow. No kidding. Can I be Father of the Year, too? Maybe just for a day? ;)

On topic: My kid, who has receptive language processing delays, used a specially written app that aided his ability to read and spell. Could it have been accomplished on different platforms and devices? Sure, but the developer wrote it for iPad, that's what we used, and we're grateful.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/reporting-side-effects.aspx

Actually they say "less than one in one million"

You seem to have had a statistically anomalous experience with vaccines. I'm sorry for that, but it doesn't change my opinion that I would rather live without these diseases around me than with them.
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I said I am a fake autistic (because I was diagnosed with it, merely because of the expanded definition, and (admittedly) being a little odd). I never declared myself as being one. I am not one, hence the "fake" part. I'm not sure where your rant about "knowing how lucky we are" comes from. I know it, most don't. That's all I'll say on that.

Wasn't having a go at you. Just confused me when you said you are fake autistic but you're not autistic
 
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I think I see where you are coming from. Vaccines are completely safe and have been for a long time. No proof anywhere to the contrary. My kid doesn't count as any kind of proof, even though his doctors point to him as proof. And the similarly injured kids we've ended up helping along the way (odd how communities spring up to address non-existent problems) are not evidence to the contrary either. To round out this way of thinking, let's be sure to discount ALL of the scientific literature, including the copious literature that demonstrates how various vaccine chemicals are recognized as toxic when used for anything except vaccines. o_O
His doctors, for certain - blame the vaccinations? That's pretty damn unusual. You think maybe other doctors would share their opinion? Ive not seen a developmental autism diagnosis that can be linked to vax by anyone other than the parents who don't want to accept **** happens sometimes. :/ or saw a reaction/fever/whatever after a jab, then blame any developmental hurdles after that fact on the vaccination with no proof that's true.

"Various vaccine chemicals" is weird too. Half the stuff we eat contains toxic chemicals. Medical treatments other than vaccines (I occasionally get some pretty hardcore infusions for a condition I have.) contain "toxic" chemicals too.. But they put in amounts that are necessary for the dosage that aren't a risk. Nobody kicks up a fuss when similar toxic chemicals are pumped into patients under other circumstances.

Obviously vaccines do have a minute risk of complication (allergic reactions etc).. But there's nothing accepted by any (non anecdotal) research linking them to autism. As someone with multiple autistic family members I wouldn't have taken that risk on my kid, but no.. She's all vaccinated up and fine. I've persuaded a lot of my hippie no medical intervention friends to get their kids jabs too and they're all happy I have.

(I'm on immunosuppressive drugs, it's not sensible for me to be around too many unvaccinated people if I can avoid it.)

Ooh, ooh, I'll play! My daughter was fully vaccinated against measles, then she got measles anyhow. No kidding. Can I be Father of the Year, too? Maybe just for a day? ;)
You're clearly statistically very unlucky - she's literally one in a hundred in that case. Of course that doesn't in any way bring their efficacy in question, they don't claim to work in 100% of cases. Herd immunity is worth it. If nobody had been getting those MMRs a lot more people would have it too, potentially ones who it's very risky to.
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Coming from a county with a national health system with a government regulated definition of "health" this is no surprise. Drop the NIH, free market your health care, let the population determine what is healthy instead of cloistered elites that can't win a pub fight, conditions will improve.

As Steve Jobs said, "Here is to the crazy ones ..."

First and foremost, I don't support the NHS as it is anyway. That's coming from someone training to be a doctor. To dwell on your point about 'government regulated definitions', who is it do you think determines what we spend money on? Our treatments are approved by a body of *doctors* - only financial limits are set by politicians.

The people in the US don't determine their healthcare at all. Insurance companies pick up whatever's profitable to treat, the rest is charged at a premium with poor coverage except from major, city-based institutions. Their free market results in 30% of the population barely being treated at all - those people being trapped in a cycle of poor education and healthcare, yet driving the working-class economy (supported by rubbish aspirations screwed into them by patriotism).

Aside from that, I'm not sure how your post relates to autism.
 
Wow jus wow! Modern Science where every scientist is quick to discredit everyone else with numerous tests and data and facts and years of research is just blind faith.... Do you even know what modern science is?

I'm sure the example below is a one time exception that confirms science (and specifically medical science) to be absolutely trustworthy. Gosh, some of you guys are so gullible that it's almost cute. Big degrees, peanut brains.

Recently Senator Charles Grassley, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, has been looking into financial ties between the pharmaceutical industry and the academic physicians who largely determine the market value of prescription drugs. He hasn’t had to look very hard.

Take the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard’s Massachusetts General Hospital. Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose and none of which were approved for children below ten years of age.

Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption

Maybe this can explain the otherwise inexplicable inability for critical thinking that so many seem to suffer from:

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So how does iPad actually helps? How is this different to writing or typing on a typewriter. I also form words from letters, and sentences from words while typing or speaking.

You're a complete moron. Does a typewriter have speech output? But do you have a speech or language impairment? Go back into your parents basement.
 
The problem I see is that the scientists aren't inspiring much confidence with the public.
You'll always have the extremists who don't believe anything they say and are convinced a big conspiracy theory is the truth. But I'm talking about all of the news articles that conflict. I remember growing up, for example, my parents were told we should eat margarine and avoid butter because it was much healthier. Now they're saying that margarine was far worse and butter isn't bad at all. Same thing with coffee.... Good for you! No, bad for you! No, wait ... good for you! And the latest advice? Sugars were our real problem all along, not fats -- and fats we said were particularly bad like coconut oil or avocado? The best of them for you!

The media desperate for an interesting headline are mostly to blame for all of that. And it's why I rarely pay attention to any of those health claims. Yet I have to constantly deal with people telling me they heard I should do X and stop doing X. Guess what? I'm going to continue to enjoy my Diet Coke swilling, bacon-wrapped life! NO REGRETS
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Like I wrote previously, it is impossible to argue with the female mind. Only domination can conquer it - be that psychological (as in pavlovian conditioning - not rational discourse), emotional or physical.

interesting....
 
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The problem I see is that the scientists aren't inspiring much confidence with the public.
You'll always have the extremists who don't believe anything they say and are convinced a big conspiracy theory is the truth. But I'm talking about all of the news articles that conflict. I remember growing up, for example, my parents were told we should eat margarine and avoid butter because it was much healthier. Now they're saying that margarine was far worse and butter isn't bad at all. Same thing with coffee.... Good for you! No, bad for you! No, wait ... good for you! And the latest advice? Sugars were our real problem all along, not fats -- and fats we said were particularly bad like coconut oil or avocado? The best of them for you!

This has been a drama going back to Ancient Greece. One of the greats of that era called it the "conflict of the natural philosopher and the merchant" where a self evident truth does not make the merchant money. If I had the answer to progress mankind, I'd not be on this forum.
 
You believe in Chemtrail nonsense?

Of course, don't you? I had the opportunity to speak with someone in the military about the topic and they affirmed that there are various spray operations, mainly SRM. As the Sun is going to sleep now, there should be a noticeable decrease in spray operations. I believe there is also a vid out there of NASA project manager being recorded on phone and acknowledging the term Chemtrail. It's most hazardous when it falls with precipitation
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Do you mean the Lancet / Wakefield paper? The fake withdrawn study?
Has resulted in resurgence of Measles, Mumps ......

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/health/research/03lancet.html?referer=

Get a better source of medical information.
Not Jenny McCarthy.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1274553/j...cking-on-anti-vaccination-but-is-it-too-late/

No, I'm referring to the fact that your injecting AI, a known neurotoxin into a young childs' blood. Plus a number of other questionable crap like feces, fromaldyhde and mercury. **** Jenny McCarthy
 
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