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[The-Real-Deal82]

If my son turns out to be gay or whatever, I will accept it. However, my job as his father is to shape him as a human being. Because I believe that some (not all) people may choose a gay lifestyle because of the influences in their lives, my job is to shield him from gay influences while his mind is too impressionable. That’s why I believe that any flaunting of the gay lifestyle, e.g. gratuitously pushing LGBTQ symbols onto the kids is designed to bring more young people to the fold of the gay lifestyle.

Obviously, this concern is perceived by you guys as bigotry. So, call it bigotry.

I think as a father it’s our job to make sure we educate our children to be accepting of others. Our children aren’t going to choose to be gay because they’ve watched a Pride march, downloaded the Apple watch face, seen two men or women kiss on television, or have knowledge of gay people in general etc. We all hope our children grow up in the least complicated or conflicting ways possible, but we can’t choose their sexuality.

If our children are gay and realise it’s actually ok and many other people are this way, I have no problem with it at all. This is why the LGBT movement is so important in this day and age. For far too long it’s been perceived as wrong and inferior to heterosexuality. As parents we should want our children to grow up in a more accepting world and part of that is not demonising a path our children may need to take. I think you should try and look at it that way.

 

[shinji]

There is not ZERO advantage to being gay. That's ridiculous. There are certain areas of the country where there is very little incentive to be straight. In major cities on the West Coast (San Francisco, Portland OR, Seattle, etc.) being gay among teenagers is in vogue and extremely cool and being straight is old school and uncool. I know that because I have a niece who is in those circles on the West Coast, and her mom is now shocked to discover what goes on among teenagers there. Additionally, there are entire industries out there where being gay paves you a straight (pun intended) way to success.

One teenage girl's report proves that significant numbers of teens are having gay sex for the sake of trendiness?

That's on par with the belief that a digital watch face or a parade can lead to homosexuality.

 

[sirozha]

Nost people are not non-binary. As far as I know the majority are straight, followed by Gay, followed by bisexual.




No that’s ridiculous. Being gay is not ‘vouge’ whatsoever in most places in the world. Maybe in select few places. For every supposed ‘advantage’ to being gay, there are a million disadvantages. High rates of mental health disorders, homelessness. Less chance of actually finding someone to fall in love with, the inability to have a child without adoption or surrogacy, the inability to marry in many places, the inability to have the same rights as straight people in many places. THe list goes on. There are entire countries where being gay paves you straight to a road of disaster.

THis is the biggest bucket of rubbish i’ve ever read. You are not a LGBTQ person so how on earth do you think you understand and know what it is to live the lives we do?




You completely missed the point, told my story to demonstrate the downsides to being gay and the fact that no one would choose that, and the effect of neglecting educating your child about the world have on them.

You have no empathy whatsoever obviously. I still live with my parents. I am still not out to them and I don’t have the means to currently move out. I will probably get kicked out when they find out. Your clear lack of knowledge, empathy and understanding about the struggles of being gay are clear. Not everyone can simply get over it. Your lack of understanding seems to extend to lack of understanding over mental illnesses and there treatment.

You still haven’t explained what the Gay lifestyle is and what the propaganda is.

So, I'm being lectured by a neurotic teenager, who is scared of coming out to his parents, but who is an expert in raising children in particular and in everything else in general. Wonderful. Was worth my time - entirely. Become an adult, move out, get a job, get a partner, etc. before you engage in adult discussions like this.

You need to solve your own problems first before giving your precious advice to others.

 

[Number-Six]

So, I'm being lectured by a neurotic teenager, who is an expert in raising children in particular and in everything else in general. Wonderful. Was worth my time - entirely.

I truly feel sorry for your kid, because you're creating an environment which is pretty much exactly the same thing as what oldmacs described. So if your child turns out being gay, he's going to be terrified to tell you.

And if the truth in your eyes depends on the age of the person talking, you're now being lectured by someone in his mid-forties who thinks that oldmacs is right in lecturing you.

 

[sirozha]

I truly feel sorry for your kid, because you're creating an environment which is pretty much exactly the same thing as what oldmacs described. So if your child turns out being gay, he's going to be terrified to tell you.

And if the truth in your eyes depends on the age of the person talking, you're now being lectured by someone in his mid-forties who thinks that oldmacs is right in lecturing you.

I'm glad there are some adults in the room. I've tried to close this discussion several times already, and I can't figure out exactly why you guys just can't let this go. I may have an idea why, but there's no point in disclosing this here. Let's just settle on me being a bigot for trying to keep my child in a traditional sexual orientation and attempting to shield him from gay lifestyle messages that he is bombarded with from various sources. Cased closed; let's move on.

 

[oldmacs]

So, I'm being lectured by a neurotic teenager, who is scared of coming out to his parents, but who is an expert in raising children in particular and in everything else in general. Wonderful. Was worth my time - entirely. Become an adult, move out, get a job, get a partner, etc. before you engage in adult discussions like this.

I am not a teenager thank you very much.

Worth my time to hear from someone who has no understanding about what it means to be Gay. And no understanding of the damage you do by sticking with ideas that have no basis.

I am an adult (22) I do have a job. People have different circumstances. I can't afford to move out. Above that, I am close to my family, I don't want to loose that. Anyway, this isn't a discussion about my situation, it is an example of what happens to kids who get sheltered and turn out Gay anyway.

You need to solve your own problems first before giving your precious advice to others.

My problems are caused by attitudes like yours. And so are many other people's. I don't know anyone in the world that has their life totally sorted out. So I assume you have problems, so why is it fine for you to give out advice to me?

I'm wrong to try and shield him from gay lifestyle messages that he is bombarded with from various sources.

And you still haven't explained what a gay lifestyle is... You also have based your argument based on facts that are made up. There is no basis for suggesting that kids can change their orientation on a whim if they think it is cool. There is no basis for the claim that the majority of teens (or whoever you said) have a fluid sexuality. You have been presented with a truckload of realities over what it is to be gay for a lot of people, the statistics over mental health and other struggles etc and you have ignored them.

I'm a bigot for trying to keep my child in a traditional sexual orientation,

This whole idea of a 'traditional sexual orientation' is rubbish. Is this the one where women were the property of men? Or the one where there was a wife and a concubine?

The effects of you shielding their child is either they have a hard time understanding their own sexuality if they happen to be gay, or they grew up and are intolerant themselves and perpetuate the problems that the LGBTQ community continue to face.

 

[Fugabutacus]

The ultimate takeaway is this:

"I wouldn't have sex with another man just to make myself look cool!"

As a straight man, I think the sentence could end after the first part, but just to make myself look cool seems to be the bit @sirozha has a problem with.

I mean come on man your entire belief about this relies on the idea that, if you really wanted to, you could make yourself want to have sex with a man. Do you really believe that?

Nothing under this sun would make me want to have sex with a man, it's just not the way I was born. I'm sorry if the same isn't true for you, and I'm sorry that you struggle with this. But jeez don't be a dick.
[doublepost=1531320616][/doublepost]Plus, think of it this way:

You entire argument is that it's fine to be gay if you were born that way, but it's wrong for society to pressure straight people into choosing to be gay.

Well then it's okay for you to be straight if you're born straight but clearly then we can agree that people who were born gay shouldn't be choosing to live straight, and heterosexual propaganda is damaging to these individuals the same way homosexual propaganda is?

I mean you clearly don't want your son turning to a sexuality he wasn't born just because of external pressure from society would you?

Oh?

It only goes one way?

Please.

Crawl in a hole.

 

[sirozha]

I am not a teenager thank you very much.

Worth my time to hear from someone who has no understanding about what it means to be Gay. And no understanding of the damage you do by sticking with ideas that have no basis.

I am an adult (22) I do have a job. People have different circumstances. I can't afford to move out. Above that, I am close to my family, I don't want to loose that. Anyway, this isn't a discussion about my situation, it is an example of what happens to kids who get sheltered and turn out Gay anyway.



My problems are caused by attitudes like yours. And so are many other people's. I don't know anyone in the world that has their life totally sorted out. So I assume you have problems, so why is it fine for you to give out advice to me?



And you still haven't explained what a gay lifestyle is... You also have based your argument based on facts that are made up. There is no basis for suggesting that kids can change their orientation on a whim if they think it is cool. There is no basis for the claim that the majority of teens (or whoever you said) have a fluid sexuality. You have been presented with a truckload of realities over what it is to be gay for a lot of people, the statistics over mental health and other struggles etc and you have ignored them.



This whole idea of a 'traditional sexual orientation' is rubbish. Is this the one where women were the property of men? Or the one where there was a wife and a concubine?

The effects of you shielding their child is either they have a hard time understanding their own sexuality if they happen to be gay, or they grew up and are intolerant themselves and perpetuate the problems that the LGBTQ community continue to face.

You are so confused that I don't even know where to start.

This discussion started with me saying that only a very small percentage of people are born gay. However, several people arguing with me here insisted that most people are not binary but are somewhere on a continuum (scale) between totally straight and totally gay. So, even though I disagree with that approach, I said, "fine, I will roll with that". So, I'm using their argument and applying logic to that position, showing that just with a little logic, it becomes obvious that the majority of people (who are supposedly not binary) are free to choose their sexual orientation. Then, out of the left field, comes you slamming me for falsely claiming that most people are not binary but fall within a continuum. So, just to make it clear to you again, this was not my premise. I am using the premise of my opponents to prove to them that they (and you) are wrong when you claim that no one can choose their sexual orientation.

Having said that, I have NEVER claimed that EVERYONE is free to choose their sexual orientation. In your case, you claim that you were born gay. So, I am FULLY taking you for your word and I COMPLETELY agree with you that if you feel that you were born gay, you should live a gay lifestyle. By "gay lifestyle" I mean nothing offensive. To me, there are several "lifestyles" when it comes to one's sexuality. There's a "straight lifestyle," a "gay lifestyle," and a "bisexual lifestyle". There are also all sorts of "queer" and "transexual" lifestyles that I completely do not understand as a straight man, but I'm willing to accept that they are genuine sexual lifestyles that deserve recognition and equal rights.

Now, you have some serous issues in your life that you need to resolve. The fact that you are seeing a doctor for that is good. I'm empathetic with your case, but please be realistic and understand that your issues are yours. You are blaming straight people, your parents, etc. for your issues. They are your issues, so work on resolving them medically, psychologically, or whatever other way you can without blaming others.

The fact that you are 22, live with your parents, feel self-conscious about your sexual orientation, and never came out to your parents - all of this are signs of some serious issues that only you can resolve. Incidentally, whether you are a teenager or 22 makes no difference to me. You have no life experience to give me any advice but especially to give me advice on raising children.

You come here on this forum and blame me for your problems. I have nothing to do with your issues. You can blame me all you want. I don't know you and you don't know me. If blaming others is your therapy, then, be my guest and blame me - as long as it helps you cope. This will not help you get over whatever is troubling you, though. I'm not your enemy, so find the root cause and address that.

 

[Fugabutacus]

I too think you have to take responsibility for your own problems instead of blaming the people who created them. Don't like getting hit? Leave your husband. You're free to leave, so don't peg this on him.

Oh wait that doesn't work does it SILLY ME

 

[tkermit]

You are so confused that I don't even know where to start.

This discussion started with me saying that only a very small percentage of people are born gay. However, several people arguing with me here insisted that most people are not binary but are somewhere on a continuum (scale) between totally straight and totally gay. So, even though I disagree with that approach, I said, "fine, I will roll with that". So, I'm using their argument and applying logic to that position, showing that just with a little logic, it becomes obvious that the majority of people (who are supposedly not binary) are free to choose their sexual orientation. Then, out of the left field, comes you slamming me for falsely claiming that most people are not binary but fall within a continuum. So, just to make it clear to you again, this was not my premise. I am using the premise of my opponents to prove to them that they (and you) are wrong when you claim that no one can choose their sexual orientation.

Having said that, I have NEVER claimed that EVERYONE is free to choose their sexual orientation. In your case, you claim that you were born gay. So, I am FULLY taking you for your word and I COMPLETELY agree with you that if you feel that you were born gay, you should live a gay lifestyle. By "gay lifestyle" I mean nothing offensive. To me, there are several "lifestyles" when it comes to one's sexuality. There's a "straight lifestyle," a "gay lifestyle," and a "bisexual lifestyle". There are also all sorts of "queer" and "transexual" lifestyles that I completely do not understand as a straight man, but I'm willing to accept that they are genuine sexual lifestyles that deserve recognition and equal rights.

Transsexual is not even a sexual orientation but a gender identity. But I guess it's all just a "lifestyle" to you.

 

[sirozha]

The ultimate takeaway is this:

"I wouldn't have sex with another man just to make myself look cool!"

As a straight man, I think the sentence could end after the first part, but just to make myself look cool seems to be the bit @sirozha has a problem with.

I mean come on man your entire belief about this relies on the idea that, if you really wanted to, you could make yourself want to have sex with a man. Do you really believe that?

Nothing under this sun would make me want to have sex with a man, it's just not the way I was born. I'm sorry if the same isn't true for you, and I'm sorry that you struggle with this. But jeez don't be a dick.
[doublepost=1531320616][/doublepost]Plus, think of it this way:

You entire argument is that it's fine to be gay if you were born that way, but it's wrong for society to pressure straight people into choosing to be gay.

Well then it's okay for you to be straight if you're born straight but clearly then we can agree that people who were born gay shouldn't be choosing to live straight, and heterosexual propaganda is damaging to these individuals the same way homosexual propaganda is?

I mean you clearly don't want your son turning to a sexuality he wasn't born just because of external pressure from society would you?

Oh?

It only goes one way?

Please.

Crawl in a hole.

The reason that you cannot imagine having sex with a man could be because:
1. You are born this way.
2. You were raised this way.

How can you tell for sure? Were there any openly gay lifestyle messages bombarding your when you were a little kid? Were your parents gay? Were your neighbors gay? Did you watch shows with men kissing each other? Did your parents read you books about kids with two dads or two moms? Did your teachers tell you stories about gay parents?

Here's the real story: No one knows for sure if gay lifestyle propaganda has any way to sway kids toward a gay lifestyle. There haven't been enough studies done. When a comprehensive study is launched, it will need to run for at least 25-30 years before the results are known. Everything else is empirical. You think the gay lifestyle propaganda doesn't have any effect on young and impressionable minds, and I think it has a tremendous effect. We can agree to disagree without insulting each other. The science is not there yet to prove or disprove your point of view or mine. In the meantime, I have a child to raise, and I will err on the side of caution.

 

[Fugabutacus]

The reason that you cannot imagine having sex with a man could be because:
1. You are born this way.
2. You were raised this way.

I'm telling I couldn't choose to have sex with a man if I wanted to. I'm sorry the same is not true for you. But you need to get past that.

 

[oldmacs]

So, just to make it clear to you again, this was not my premise. I am using the premise of my opponents to prove to them that they (and you) are wrong when you claim that no one can choose their sexual orientation.

You've missed the point here.

Being able to choose which gender to favour, is an orientation. People don't choose to be bisexual, which is the orientation in which you are attracted to both genders, and thus have the ability to choose a gender preference. The continuum idea isn't that people can choose their orientation, it is that there are orientations between the extremes and mid points, where yes there could probably be choice about gender preferences. The majority are not in this area though.

wrong when you claim that no one can choose their sexual orientation.

Which you have failed at doing, by misunderstanding the idea you are trying to use.

Having said that, I have NEVER claimed that EVERYONE is free to choose their sexual orientation. In your case, you claim that you were born gay. So, I am FULLY taking you for your word and I COMPLETELY agree with you that if you feel that you were born gay, you should live a gay lifestyle. By "gay lifestyle" I mean nothing offensive. To me, there are several "lifestyles" when it comes to one's sexuality. There's a "straight lifestyle," a "gay lifestyle," and a "bisexual lifestyle". There are also all sorts of "queer" and "transexual" lifestyles that I completely do not understand as a straight man, but I'm willing to accept that they are genuine sexual lifestyles that deserve recognition and equal rights.

It definitely comes across as offensive when you talk about (in your words) the "Gay Lifestyle" inferring it is lesser than the "straight lifestyle".

Now, you have some serous issues in your life that you need to resolve. The fact that you are seeing a doctor for that is good. I'm empathetic with your case, but please be realistic and understand that your issues are yours. You are blaming straight people, your parents, etc. for your issues. They are your issues, so work on resolving them medically, psychologically, or whatever other way you can without blaming me for your problems.

Of course these issues are my own. But you miss the point that it is mindsets like yours that cause issues for myself and other people. Spending your first 15 years first being absolutely shielded from the idea of homosexuality, followed by bombardment of anti homosexuality has a damaging effect when you find out you are gay. You don't just wake up the next day and magically dump what you've learnt your whole life.

The stupidly high rates of mental health issues and suicide in the LGBTQ community are the result of a lack of acceptance in society, which yes is getting far better, but is a big problem still.

The fact that you are 22, live with your parents, feel self-conscious about your sexual orientation, and never came out to your parents - all of this are signs of some serious issues that only you can resolve. Incidentally, whether you are a teenager or 22 makes no difference to me. You have no life experience to give me any advice but especially to give me advice on raising children.

And you have no life experience about being gay and being raised how you want to raise your kid, or any life experience as an LGBTQ person to make arguments about who is and isn't choosing their sexuality, yet you make claims in both areas and are apparently qualified to tell us made up facts about both. I've had plenty of life experience in both.

You come here on this forum and blame me for your problems. I have nothing to do with your issues. You can blame me all you want. I don't know you and you don't know me. If blaming others is your therapy, then, be my guest and blame me - as long as it helps you cope. This will not help you get over whatever is troubling you, though.

I come on here to refute 'facts' you have made up and to let you know that your mindset (not you particularly) is damaging. This is not my therapy, this is my disappointment in seeing that more kids will be raised to either a) have a very hard time with their sexuality or b) perpetuate ideas that LGBTQ people are somehow less than straight people.
[doublepost=1531322659][/doublepost]

Here's the real story: No one knows for sure if gay lifestyle propaganda has any way to sway kids toward a gay lifestyle. There haven't been enough studies done. When a comprehensive study is launched, it will need to run for at least 25-30 years before the results are known. Everything else is empirical. You think the gay lifestyle propaganda doesn't have any effect on young and impressionable minds, and I think it has a tremendous effect. We can agree to disagree without insulting each other. The science is not there yet to prove or disprove your point of view or mine. In the meantime, I have a child to raise, and I will err on the side of caution.

So let me get this right. You're happy to perpetuate views that are damaging, because you have a conspiracy theory about gay brainwashing, and you believe that gay people aren't as good as straight people?

 

[AsherN]

The reason that you cannot imagine having sex with a man could be because:
1. You are born this way.
2. You were raised this way.

Said it before, will say it again.

My wife and I are heterosexual. We are also visibly affectionate. We hug, we hold hands, we kiss, in the home, in public. Egad, in front of our children. Our eldest id gay, our youngest has never met a woman he did not love.

But yes, keep thinking that "exposure" changes who you are.

 

[sirozha]

I'm telling I couldn't choose to have sex with a man if I wanted to. I'm sorry the same is not true for you. But you need to get past that.

OK. That was very cute.

Let's start personal insults now. When one runs out of arguments, insults are the one thing that remains. I'm wasting my time here.
[doublepost=1531329941][/doublepost]

You've missed the point here.

Being able to choose which gender to favour, is an orientation. People don't choose to be bisexual, which is the orientation in which you are attracted to both genders, and thus have the ability to choose a gender preference. The continuum idea isn't that people can choose their orientation, it is that there are orientations between the extremes and mid points, where yes there could probably be choice about gender preferences. The majority are not in this area though.



Which you have failed at doing, by misunderstanding the idea you are trying to use.



It definitely comes across as offensive when you talk about (in your words) the "Gay Lifestyle" inferring it is lesser than the "straight lifestyle".




Of course these issues are my own. But you miss the point that it is mindsets like yours that cause issues for myself and other people. Spending your first 15 years first being absolutely shielded from the idea of homosexuality, followed by bombardment of anti homosexuality has a damaging effect when you find out you are gay. You don't just wake up the next day and magically dump what you've learnt your whole life.

The stupidly high rates of mental health issues and suicide in the LGBTQ community are the result of a lack of acceptance in society, which yes is getting far better, but is a big problem still.



And you have no life experience about being gay and being raised how you want to raise your kid, or any life experience as an LGBTQ person to make arguments about who is and isn't choosing their sexuality, yet you make claims in both areas and are apparently qualified to tell us made up facts about both. I've had plenty of life experience in both.



I come on here to refute 'facts' you have made up and to let you know that your mindset (not you particularly) is damaging. This is not my therapy, this is my disappointment in seeing that more kids will be raised to either a) have a very hard time with their sexuality or b) perpetuate ideas that LGBTQ people are somehow less than straight people.
[doublepost=1531322659][/doublepost]

So let me get this right. You're happy to perpetuate views that are damaging, because you have a conspiracy theory about gay brainwashing, and you believe that gay people aren't as good as straight people?

You got it straight.
[doublepost=1531330041][/doublepost]

Said it before, will say it again.

My wife and I are heterosexual. We are also visibly affectionate. We hug, we hold hands, we kiss, in the home, in public. Egad, in front of our children. Our eldest id gay, our youngest has never met a woman he did not love.

But yes, keep thinking that "exposure" changes who you are.

What the hell does this mean your youngest never met a woman he didn't love? Does this even make sense? How many women does he meet every day? He loves all of them? Isn't it a little abnormal?

It makes no sense. You are making this whole thing up.

 

[AsherN]

Comprehension 101, work on it.

He's as straight as can be and the other one is gay. Grew up in the same overtly heterosexual household.

 

[sirozha]

Comprehension 101, work on it.

He's as straight as can be and the other one is gay. Grew up in the same overtly heterosexual household.

Don’t exaggerate. It’s a sign of immaturity.

 

[AsherN]

sure kiddo.

 

[Fugabutacus]

OK. That was very cute.

Let's start personal insults now. When one runs out of arguments, insults are the one thing that remains. I'm wasting my time here.

But I mean you can whine all you want, but you're the one arguing that I'm right, so you're kinda just shooting your bisexual self in the foot here, no?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The reason that you cannot imagine having sex with a man could be because:
1. You are born this way.
2. You were raised this way.

How can you tell for sure? Were there any openly gay lifestyle messages bombarding your when you were a little kid? Were your parents gay? Were your neighbors gay? Did you watch shows with men kissing each other? Did your parents read you books about kids with two dads or two moms? Did your teachers tell you stories about gay parents?

Are you deadly serious here or is this all an elaborate wind up? The more posts of yours I read here the more speechless I am.

I don’t think you know any gay people at all and your views are a result of backward scaremongering and being brought up by homophobic influences. With respect your views on being exposed to ‘homosexual propaganda’ is complete and utter tripe not to mention hateful and offensive. I had to laugh out loud reading your examples especially the ‘gay neighbours’ one lol. My word! Your children will be absolutely terrified to come out to you should they be gay. You’re creating a feeling of intolerance and one they may take on and continue into the next generation. Personally I think that’s dreadful.

 

[Fugabutacus]

Are you deadly serious here or is this all an elaborate wind up? The more posts of yours I read here the more speechless I am.

I don’t think you know any gay people at all and your views are a result of backward scaremongering and being brought up by homophobic influences. With respect your views on being exposed to ‘homosexual propaganda’ is complete and utter tripe not to mention hateful and offensive. I had to laugh out loud reading your examples especially the ‘gay neighbours’ one lol. My word! Your children will be absolutely terrified to come out to you should they be gay. You’re creating a feeling of intolerance and one they may take on and continue into the next generation. Personally I think that’s dreadful.

The ultimate irony is that his argument is basically that kids are so impressionable that they’ll blindly follow whatever they’re told in their youth... but he doesn’t think it’s odd that he’s repeating all this homophobic nonsense that surrounded him in his own youth...

 

[sirozha]

Are you deadly serious here or is this all an elaborate wind up? The more posts of yours I read here the more speechless I am.

I don’t think you know any gay people at all and your views are a result of backward scaremongering and being brought up by homophobic influences. With respect your views on being exposed to ‘homosexual propaganda’ is complete and utter tripe not to mention hateful and offensive. I had to laugh out loud reading your examples especially the ‘gay neighbours’ one lol. My word! Your children will be absolutely terrified to come out to you should they be gay. You’re creating a feeling of intolerance and one they may take on and continue into the next generation. Personally I think that’s dreadful.

I think you and your friends here are dreadful.

 

[jonblatho]

The reason that you cannot imagine having sex with a man could be because:
1. You are born this way.
2. You were raised this way.

How can you tell for sure? Were there any openly gay lifestyle messages bombarding your when you were a little kid?

The first exposure I had to homosexuality in media/pop culture that I can remember was when I was about 7 or so, when the news said Ellen was starting her talk show. My mom said Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian and I didn’t know what it meant so I asked.

My mom reacted negatively to my asking what “lesbian” meant. I had already had a crush on a boy, so I said nothing. I didn’t tell her until I was 18. (Her attitude’s improved since, so I wasn’t too worried.) My dad still doesn’t actually know, to my knowledge. It’s never come up. He can probably guess, but I’m not sure he wants to.

Were your parents gay?

Yes, my gay dad impregnated my lesbian mom. That’s how sex works! (In case you didn’t get it, and sadly I can’t assume you would get it, that was sarcasm.)

Were your neighbors gay?

We never had much close contact with our neighbors because they’re a good half-mile walk in either direction, but no, absolutely not.

Did you watch shows with men kissing each other? Did your parents read you books about kids with two dads or two moms?

I was still watching SpongeBob, my dude.

Did your teachers tell you stories about gay parents?

Hahahahahaha. No.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think you and your friends here are dreadful.

We are a bit too accepting for your liking I suppose.

 

[bandrews]

We are a bit too accepting for your liking I suppose.

He's not homophobic - he just doesn't want dirty gays influencing his kids.