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Yeah, and how's that? By outsourcing the manufacturing to sweat shops in China?
By not paying taxes?
By overcharging for their products?
I could also make out like a bandit if I didn't pay taxes, but I wouldn't have the temerity to claim that I was helping the country's economy.

Not to mention that the federal reserve is private, illegal and cannot legally charge taxes on U.S money.
 
Oh man McCain, you're now self-congratulating Levin? What a waste of time.

Somewhere in Oklahoma, there's more important priorities.
 
No, you are wrong. Liberal and conservative are not interchangeable with with the names of political parties. I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

If you are using them politically they are and there is no such thing as fiscal conservative :D
 
A liberal is a forward thinker and doesn't have anything to do with politics. When you using it in a political way, it's the same as saying democrat or republican.

No they are not forward thinkers. It is just reuse of old communist propaganda as justification for their beliefs as being the future and everything else of course is backwards.

Liberal really just means against status quo. Now depending on what that is it could be good or bad in reality.
 
These dirty liberals are just drooling at the thought of getting a chunk of that 100 billion. What a shame. This isn't what our founding fathers wanted when they formed this government.


One day, you may grow up and realize that both parties are EQUALLY hostile to the average US citizen. They just have different rhetoric, to woo the simpletons to donate and support them.

:rolleyes:
 
So it is ok that other peoples taxes go up but yours? :rolleyes:

You're trying to sell me on a new tax system that will raise my taxes, and the taxes of most of the middle class.

So sell it.

Explain why my taxes should go up, and the taxes for Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, etc. should go down and corporate taxes should be eliminated in the bargain.

Explain how all the loopholes you'll have to ultimately create are a good thing, and don't sully the pristine nature of your "perfect tax" system. Explain how, in 20 years, it won't be just as riddled with loopholes as the current tax code, but I'll be paying more taxes in the bargain.
 
No they are not forward thinkers. It is just reuse of old communist propaganda as justification for their beliefs as being the future and everything else of course is backwards.

Liberal really just means against status quo. No depending on what that is it could be good or bad in reality.

Liberals having nothing to do with communism... Most people in this country don't even know what communism is...
 
Loopholes?

What is a loophole? A loophole when created is often a carefully thought out exception to a law that is specifically crafted by congress. Time passes and they don't update the law and then they grandstand about loopholes. Loopholes! They put them in the law for a reason, if they are too stupid to remember the law they should change the law.

It's instructive to remember democracy is simply the least horrible way we have found together to live peacably.

Oh yeah - and isn't this small potatoes? Last time I checked the executive branch was spying on reporters and using the IRS to attack their political enemies. These issues go way beyond right and left or silly tax questions.
 
Lol. Shareholders already pay taxes on their capital gains and dividends. This committee is ****ing useless. The only thing Ron Johnson will do is tax your IRAs and 401ks 2x. Once when paid dividends and again when you withdraw at retirement.
A tax that is a whopping 15%. Woohoo! It should be 35% tax and the top marginal tax rate should be closer to 70%.
 
I suppose that's true, but it certainly seems to be a lot of finger pointing at Apple.

Senator McCaskill just said it all. This isn't about Apple. It's about the tax code and whether or not it need to change. That this isn't or shouldn't be a witch hunt (my paraphrasing) but rather it will be good to hear from Apple as it related to this discussion.
 
Oh man McCain, you're now self-congratulating Levin? What a waste of time.

Somewhere in Oklahoma, there's more important priorities.

That was a very unnecessary comment from him, for sure. It was neither the time nor the place.
 
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HAHA...The tax experts are now going on the record to make sure they aren't known for vilifying Apple...haha.

Rand scared them good.

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Exactly...I consider myself the same thing...social liberal with issues and fiscal conservative when it comes to spending and responsibility.

I call that a moderate.

I call that a Libertarian, which is essentially what Rand Paul is. I am glad he is on this subcommittee!
 
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