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The dip in sales couldn't have been because the iPhone 7 looks virtually identical to the one that came out last year AND the year before. And it certainly wasn't because the only distinguishing aspect is the loss of a headphone jack.
Yes and Yes.
Headphones have the most versatile connector. 3,5mm Jacks are everywhere.
Bad move. Still.
 
There is that and there is three models with the same design and there is the pricing. I just had my hands on with Galaxy S8 today and have to say it is gorgeous piece of hardware and the price is about 100$ below iPhone 7.

Try about a $20 diffrence than the iPhone 7.

And that is not only far less capable of running hardware and software intensive tasks, but you also have to run the malware mess that is Android.
 
"Apple sold 50.76 million iPhones in its fiscal second quarter ended April 1, down from 51.19 million a year earlier."

I'm far from being an Apple apologist, but these sales numbers are insane. 430,000 fewer iPhones over a 3 month period compared to the same period last year. There are quite a few warning signs of future trouble for Apple... this isn't one of them.
 
Apple is a victim of their own ability to keep constantly innovating the iPhone. If people knew that a big new feature only came once every 3 years, you could safely buy this year's model and buy the next "important" one in 2-3 years.
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"Apple sold 50.76 million iPhones in its fiscal second quarter ended April 1, down from 51.19 million a year earlier."

I'm far from being an Apple apologist, but these sales numbers are insane. 430,000 fewer iPhones over a 3 month period compared to the same period last year. There are quite a few warning signs of future trouble for Apple... this isn't one of them.

430K iPhones/quarter is a rounding error for Apple. Honestly I don't see a single thing in their business that is of concern. Apple if firing on all cylinders, crushing everyone.
 
Echoing what others have said, the reason I have stopped upgrading annually is because of the diminishing returns of upgrading, and because of the extremely weak Canadian Dollar.

I'm on a 6s right now and I'm not sure what would make me upgrade at this point. I might keep this phone for a few more years unless there's something I just can't live without. Maybe a phone with VR/AR capability, wireless charging, full waterproof would do it, but I certainly wouldn't be in a huge rush like I've been in the past.

The Canadian dollar is a killer too. I spent about $1300 for a 64gb 6S+. Painful.
 
I guess Apple will be disappointed by the new iPhone 8 (or 2017 or whatever) when supply is constrained and there aren't enough for everyone. This should be fun...
 
Echoing what others have said, the reason I have stopped upgrading annually is because of the diminishing returns of upgrading, and because of the extremely weak Canadian Dollar.

I'm on a 6s right now and I'm not sure what would make me upgrade at this point. I might keep this phone for a few more years unless there's something I just can't live without. Maybe a phone with VR/AR capability, wireless charging, full waterproof would do it, but I certainly wouldn't be in a huge rush like I've been in the past.

The Canadian dollar is a killer too. I spent about $1300 for a 64gb 6S+. Painful.

I'm sure that American sales are killer with the AT&T Next annual upgrade plan. Financially it makes no sense, but people love getting a new iPhone every year.
 
Honestly the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are just too similar to the iPhone 6 and 6S. They are practically indistinguishable physically apart from minor changed antenna lines and a different camera bump and the removal of a headphone jack. Same form, same curves, same physical dimensions.

So to a lot of people it feels like we had 3 iPhones the same while they're working on a radical redesign so of course people are waiting. I know two friends of mine who almost always buy every new iPhone and they decided to skip the 7 and wait for the 8 as they both think it will be a drastic reimagining of the device for the 10 year anniversary.
 
Excuses, excuses, excuses... he's a sorry excuse.

Completely ignorant comment. Financial wonks have been harping for years that Apple needed to diversify its revenue stream. This quarter shows they did so in spades. Revenue and profits rose even though iPhone sales didn’t. It shows Cook is doing it right. He understands the iPhone cannot remain the primary source of income forever. Time and the market move on. Watch/Beats/AirPod sales are now the size of a Fortune 500 company. Apple Music is bringing in big bucks. You just embarrassed yourself with your stupidity.
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Honestly the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are just too similar to the iPhone 6 and 6S. They are practically indistinguishable physically apart from minor changed antenna lines and a different camera bump and the removal of a headphone jack. Same form, same curves, same physical dimensions.

So to a lot of people it feels like we had 3 iPhones the same while they're working on a radical redesign so of course people are waiting. I know two friends of mine who almost always buy every new iPhone and they decided to skip the 7 and wait for the 8 as they both think it will be a drastic reimagining of the device for the 10 year anniversary.

“Honestly” you are spouting unfathomable nonsense.
 
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So he thinks it is a pause because of a newer iPhone around the corner? Didn't he say last quarter he never seen as many android swaps which everyone rationalised was because of the Note 7 issue? Hasn't materialised into additional phone numbers.

Everyone knows that every September there is a "new" iPhone so there is always a "pause " every year on that basis. I don't buy the rumours are earlier this year; September happens each year at the same time.
 
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Completely ignorant comment. Financial wonks have been harping for years that Apple needed to diversify its revenue stream. This quarter shows they did so in spades. Revenue and profits rose even though iPhone sales didn’t. It shows Cook is doing it right. He understands the iPhone cannot remain the primary source of income forever. Time and the market move on. Watch/Beats/AirPod sales are now the size of a Fortune 500 company. Apple Music is bringing in big bucks. You just embarrassed yourself with your stupidity.
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“Honestly” you are spouting unfathomable nonsense.

You do realise no one would buy the watch, beats or pods without the iPhone don't you....hardly diversifying!
 
The dip in sales couldn't have been because the iPhone 7 looks virtually identical to the one that came out last year AND the year before. And it certainly wasn't because the only distinguishing aspect is the loss of a headphone jack.

It's got to be because of the iphone 8 rumors. :eek:
"Virtually identical", despite how a different case like the iPhone SE managed to even get praise around here, despite being "virtually identical" to the 5/5S. Does the shape really matter?

Headphone port removal was a mistake, though.
 
Thats right mr. Tim. All eyes are on apple now. Will you follow samsung with a easy solution or will you go for perfection. Its your move now.
 
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I have an iPhone 7 Plus, and it's hard for me to think of any way this phone can be improved. It feels "perfect" to me in pretty much every way. Even the lack of a headphone jack doesn't bother me much since I went full bluetooth.

None of the supposed possible improvements for the next iPhone (lack of bezels (I actually like the bezels), OLED, wireless charging) excite me at all. Hell, the iPhone 7 Plus's 3GB of RAM, which is something you can't even see, excited me more than the above features do because it means the phone would be fast as hell (which it is).

I hope Apple has something amazing up its sleeve for the iPhone 8, something on par with the coolest advancements of past years (retina display, touch ID are the two biggest ones) otherwise I will be sad.
 
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Honestly the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus are just too similar to the iPhone 6 and 6S. They are practically indistinguishable physically apart from minor changed antenna lines and a different camera bump and the removal of a headphone jack. Same form, same curves, same physical dimensions.

So to a lot of people it feels like we had 3 iPhones the same while they're working on a radical redesign so of course people are waiting. I know two friends of mine who almost always buy every new iPhone and they decided to skip the 7 and wait for the 8 as they both think it will be a drastic reimagining of the device for the 10 year anniversary.

I see your point. And it makes sense. The iPhone functions so well, but it has had a stagnant appeal for the last three years with minimalistic upgrades physically. I think a lot of the changes have been features we always can't physically see, but have been upgraded or altered. I think some believe the iPhone should have a radical redesign every year and phones do not traditionally change like that.

But what brings me back to the iPhone is the security and stability with iOS, coupled with Apple's ecosystem.
 
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By January of each year, users start reconsidering a planned purchase because 9 months from now, they know a new version is coming. Apple will likely have to start releasing a new model every March and September to keep things fresh. What they could start doing is split the iPhone and iPhone Plus between March and September events. It seems to work for Samsung.

Other products would and should align with this. So, 4.7 iPhone, iPad Mini, 9.7 iPad Pro are launched in September. They could apply a similar strategy to Macs too. In October, a new MacBook and 13 MacBook Pro and 21 inch iMac are launched.

In March, the iPhone Plus, 12.9 iPad Pro models are launched followed by MacBook Pro 15 and iMac 27 inch in April.

So basically, you have a major spring and fall events. In June, Apple could launch new updates to the Mac Pro.
 
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I have an iPhone 7 Plus, and it's hard for me to think of any way this phone can be improved. It feels "perfect" to me in pretty much every way. Even the lack of a headphone jack doesn't bother me much since I went full bluetooth.

Humm, I have to disagree. As a 'hardcore' iPhone user I have to say I *love* the Samsung S1. Haven't had a device that felt so nice in my hands for ages. And the screen is just unbelievable. The iPhone 7 just looks old in comparison.
 
I see your point. And it makes sense. The iPhone functions so well, but it has had a stagnant appeal for the last three years with minimalistic upgrades physically. I think a lot of the changes have been features we always can't physically see, but have been upgraded or altered. I think some believe the iPhone should have a radical redesign every year and phones do not traditionally change like that.

But what brings me back to the iPhone is the security and stability with iOS, coupled with Apple's ecosystem.

Exactly. For me I upgraded from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone 7 Plus. Now had I bought the iPhone 6 Plus I probably wouldn't have upgraded at all and waited for the iPhone 8 with its radically new design that we are all expecting.
 
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Personally I find most 1-Year-or-more-until-release iPhone rumors to be as repulsive and destructive as the newspapers who keep filling their frontages with Terrorists driving lorries into crowds.

Just to make money and draw BS Interest
 
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Exactly. For me I upgraded from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone 7 Plus. Now had I bought the iPhone 6 Plus I probably wouldn't have upgraded at all and waited for the iPhone 8 with its radically new design that we are all expecting.

And that's understandable. Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every year. But this year looks promising.
 
Apple can use this to their advantage with the last Mac mini update. They can announced in 2013 that the new Mac mini will only be sold with 2 cores and memory is soldered on the motherboard later in 2014. Then they would have increased sales of the Mac mini 2012 server model thru 2014 including people that were waiting for a new Mac mini at the beginning of 2014 thinking that an update is any day.
 
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