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ok, but if none of this very important stuff is under her control, what exactly does she do then ... and why is it worth so much?
So you think the head of retail should be deciding when a product launches? My guess is she's not involved in the design or manufacture of these products so why should she decide when they go on sale?
 
When will 16GB attackers realize that not all users use watch in similar fashion? My Mom is now on her second iPhone (my hand me down 6 64gb). She will probably never download more than 1gb of Apps. But even if she had bought the phone it would not have been a waste of money because the camera is important and very nice, the ease of typing text messages and emails is important and not doable without a smartphone, and the ease of iOS is important. 8gb would be fine for her. She never used that much on her iPhone 4 and I doubt she will use that much on this phone.

For many users 16gb is basically infinite storage for their smartphones. It isn't a tragedy that it wasn't upgraded. For me the second level phone has always been the sweet spot. 64gb is fine for me. I'm not even close to using it all on 6S. I will target that amount for the 7 later this year as well.

Did you even understand the point of my post?

(1) Never download more than 1 GB of apps? The whole idea of buying an iPhone is because you want to use apps.

(2) The camera is important and very nice? You can buy a camera that'll take much nicer pics for a cheaper price.

(3) The ease of typing a message or e-mail is easiest on an older Blackberry.

(4) The ease of iOS is more complicated than that of basic phones.


When companies like Samsung, Sony, Google (Nexus), LG, and Windows Phones have a base storage of 32GB -- I can definitely see why people are faulting Apple for keeping a 16 GB storage capacity phone for what, 5 years now?
 
Says who? This is what Jobs told Walter Isaacson:



When Steve was CEO HE was the one who oversaw UI design. From what I've read, Greg Christie who was Apple's VP of interface design essentially reported directly to Steve. Just because Steve loved skeuomorphism doesn't make it superior to anything else. I'd say the same if he had been a lover of so-called 'flat' design. Steve Jobs' opinion isn't the only word on design. As far as maps go, who cares what the UI looks like, who cares about flyover and 3D if the underlying data is crap? That was the problem. Had Forstall gone on stage, been really humble and announced maps as a beta product people may have been more forgiving over data issues.

Maps fullfilled it's purpose: to make google add all the features they were excluding from ios' google maps so Android would have a better experience.
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Did you even understand the point of my post?

(1) Never download more than 1 GB of apps? The whole idea of buying an iPhone is because you want to use apps.

(2) The camera is important and very nice? You can buy a camera that'll take much nicer pics for a cheaper price.

(3) The ease of typing a message or e-mail is easiest on an older Blackberry.

(4) The ease of iOS is more complicated than that of basic phones.


When companies like Samsung, Sony, Google (Nexus), LG, and Windows Phones have a base storage of 32GB -- I can definitely see why people are faulting Apple for keeping a 16 GB storage capacity phone for what, 5 years now?

And yet you want her to use an iPhone like you want to use it. It's her money and she decides to buy an iPhone to use it as a normal phone because she likes it and she cans. Simple as that.
 
Let me educate you guys on compensation for top-notch CEO's. Tim Cook is NOT underpaid -- he's actually the highest paid CEO probably ever, as long as shareholders and the board is happy with the results the company posts annually. He is on a performance-based compensation.
Cook basically has measurements that he needs to hit in order for his stocks to vest, so this "$10MM salary" is grossly misleading.
Just by becoming Apple's CEO in 2011, Cook received 1 MILLION SHARES of restricted Apple stock -- half of which vests in 2016, and the other half in 2021. What is 1 Million shares worth today you ask? Well, because of the 7:1 AAPL stock split from a year ago, Cook's 1 million shares becomes 7 million. Today's closing price for $AAPL was $100.70. So 7,000,000 x $100.70 = $704,900,000. He gets to finally exercise half of that this year (if he chooses).

Now this $700MM figure is just accounting for Apple's stock to be worth around $100/share. Imagine if it ended up around $140 at any point in the near future... Cook's 7 million shares would make him a BILLIONAIRE.

Keep in mind this isn't the only restricted stock Cook has. He has about 250K shares vesting from his earlier awards at Apple here and there. He's basically a billionaire, and the higher Apple stock goes, the higher his networth goes past the Billion amount.
I thought I saw somewhere that Tim Cook's stock didn't split?
 
That's very sad, Tim Cook is the CEO and makes maybe 1 million more then everyone else.
 
Maps fullfilled it's purpose: to make google add all the features they were excluding from ios' google maps so Android would have a better experience.
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And yet you want her to use an iPhone like you want to use it. It's her money and she decides to buy an iPhone to use it as a normal phone because she likes it and she cans. Simple as that.

A smartphone is not made to be used like a traditional cell phone. If you put even the most basic of what a smartphone is supposed to be used for on it, 16 GB is not nearly enough. Let's not forget you don't start with the whole 16 GB either.
 
this is what I expect from the richest company in the world. the times are a' changing my friend. have a look at microsoft. it is not easy to stay on top forever. I'm wondering how the iPhone 32s will look like ;-)

Your expectations are too high. Between copying and spying on each other it will become harder and harder to be first with a new killer product.
Not that Apple was first with anything anyplace ever.

Will not be an iPhone, it's an optional plug surgically implanted in your neck or something that will just attach to your ear. The erst is talking via Greentooth or whatever is next.
 
When will 16GB attackers realize that not all users use watch in similar fashion? My Mom is now on her second iPhone (my hand me down 6 64gb). She will probably never download more than 1gb of Apps. But even if she had bought the phone it would not have been a waste of money because the camera is important and very nice, the ease of typing text messages and emails is important and not doable without a smartphone, and the ease of iOS is important. 8gb would be fine for her. She never used that much on her iPhone 4 and I doubt she will use that much on this phone.

For many users 16gb is basically infinite storage for their smartphones. It isn't a tragedy that it wasn't upgraded. For me the second level phone has always been the sweet spot. 64gb is fine for me. I'm not even close to using it all on 6S. I will target that amount for the 7 later this year as well.

Yup People seem to think that I need 32/64 at a higher price FSAG.

No, just no.

Yes, just yes

Did you even understand the point of my post?

(1) Never download more than 1 GB of apps? The whole idea of buying an iPhone is because you want to use apps.

(2) The camera is important and very nice? You can buy a camera that'll take much nicer pics for a cheaper price.

(3) The ease of typing a message or e-mail is easiest on an older Blackberry.

(4) The ease of iOS is more complicated than that of basic phones.


When companies like Samsung, Sony, Google (Nexus), LG, and Windows Phones have a base storage of 32GB -- I can definitely see why people are faulting Apple for keeping a 16 GB storage capacity phone for what, 5 years now?

I download tapatalk and whatsapp and that's it, my wife downloads facebook and whatsapp, 8GB is good I really don't know anyone IRL that needs more than 16GB
 
A smartphone is not made to be used like a traditional cell phone. If you put even the most basic of what a smartphone is supposed to be used for on it, 16 GB is not nearly enough. Let's not forget you don't start with the whole 16 GB either.

And I stand by what I said: YOUR concept of how a smartphone is supposed to be used is not the same as OTHER people's concept of how it's supposed to be used. My mother just has Facebook, weather, banking and cinema apps and mainly uses it for taking pictures along with 50 gb of iCloud Photo Library. I dare you to go and tell her she has been using it wrong.
 
That would be removing three key people from Apple, one of which is a great designer, and has designed products for Apple for years, and who doesn't get much criticism for his design. I think all three of them are doing an excellent job, and should not be removed.

On another subject, why does Angela Ahrendts get paid so much? There must be a reason.

Great designer? cheap ipohne 5c failed, apple watch failed, macbook with one port failed, magic mouse 2 failed, iphone battery case failed, ipad pro cover failed, rubbish ugly antenna lines on iphone 6x failed, and most importantly cheap, cartoonish, boring, tasteless and colorless flat ios/mac os UI failed. All these designs made after Steve. No wonder, why they have to cut the production by 30%! No doubt these three are great for Apple, they proved in past, but that was with one leader to give them right way to do it. Nowadays they took themselves as granted, misusing their powers and taking advantage of brand name Apple. Tim is interested in big numbers and make Apple a first 1 trillion company, He approves everything which is cheaply designed. Jony thinks he owns the Apple and polluting whole Apple software department. god bless Apple
 
...and have the least skill of anyone working at Apple. They should be grateful to earn $16 for an entry-level sales job.

Owww dear..... Skill has nothing to do with temp employment while getting an education ;)

Many will go onto very large salaries later in life.
 
Meanwhile, Apple Store retail employees, who puts up with the most crap of anyone in the whole company, makes $16 per hour in San Francisco.

oh, boo hoo. cry me a river. Apple store employees get to stand around all day and deal with idiot customers using practically idiot proof devices. Try flipping burgers for $9/hour at a chain restaurant. $16 is a king's salary for someone who really doesn't do anything and requires minimal training. Don't like the cost of living in SF? Move. Here in Washington, DC (also a high cost of living), $16 is definitely enough to get by as long as you don't need every consumer product in creation. God, people are so ungrateful.
 
Did you even understand the point of my post?

(1) Never download more than 1 GB of apps? The whole idea of buying an iPhone is because you want to use apps.
Actually, that's your idea of what an iPhone is for. My mother uses two apps: FaceTime and a banking app. She's using my iPhone 4 with broken camera. If it had 4GB RAM she'd be as happy as she is with 16GB.

(2) The camera is important and very nice? You can buy a camera that'll take much nicer pics for a cheaper price.
For some it's also important that they can post the pics on Instagram immediately. (Like for myself.)

(3) The ease of typing a message or e-mail is easiest on an older Blackberry.
Personally I prefer a laptop. ;)

(4) The ease of iOS is more complicated than that of basic phones.
You obviously never used a Nokia. I remember being at a developers conference and seeing a Nokia guy speak about how they go through the process of developing their menus so they are as intuitive as possible. I was thinking "Nokia is SO out of business in a few years", while fiddling with my iPhone. I was correct.

When companies like Samsung, Sony, Google (Nexus), LG, and Windows Phones have a base storage of 32GB -- I can definitely see why people are faulting Apple for keeping a 16 GB storage capacity phone for what, 5 years now?
Because Apple can get away with it. Sony, LG etc. have to show something more to compete with Apple. If Samsung released a phone with specs of a 16 GB iPhone, it would become a laughing stock (OK, even more of a laughing stock...) and there would be countless articles about how Samsung completely lost it.

Disclaimer: I used to own two iPhones, both with 16 GB capacity, and now own an Xperia Z3 Compact with 16 GB base and 64 GB microSD and I wouldn't swap it for any iPhone model whatsoever. Or rather I would, I'd immediately flog it on eBay and buy a new Xperia. So now you know whether to attack me for being a fanboi or hater. :)
 
Great designer? cheap ipohne 5c failed, apple watch failed, macbook with one port failed, magic mouse 2 failed, iphone battery case failed, ipad pro cover failed, rubbish ugly antenna lines on iphone 6x failed, and most importantly cheap, cartoonish, boring, tasteless and colorless flat ios/mac os UI failed. All these designs made after Steve. No wonder, why they have to cut the production by 30%! No doubt these three are great for Apple, they proved in past, but that was with one leader to give them right way to do it. Nowadays they took themselves as granted, misusing their powers and taking advantage of brand name Apple. Tim is interested in big numbers and make Apple a first 1 trillion company, He approves everything which is cheaply designed. Jony thinks he owns the Apple and polluting whole Apple software department. god bless Apple

Unfortunately you are right about most things.
A lot of people on here say the watch has sold well, but this wont continue.
The watch is a gimmick , reminds me of the Nintendo wii when it first came out, alot of people bought it then it just died
 
Great designer? cheap ipohne 5c failed, apple watch failed, macbook with one port failed, magic mouse 2 failed, iphone battery case failed, ipad pro cover failed, rubbish ugly antenna lines on iphone 6x failed, and most importantly cheap, cartoonish, boring, tasteless and colorless flat ios/mac os UI failed. All these designs made after Steve. No wonder, why they have to cut the production by 30%! No doubt these three are great for Apple, they proved in past, but that was with one leader to give them right way to do it. Nowadays they took themselves as granted, misusing their powers and taking advantage of brand name Apple. Tim is interested in big numbers and make Apple a first 1 trillion company, He approves everything which is cheaply designed. Jony thinks he owns the Apple and polluting whole Apple software department. god bless Apple

What does a good designed iPhone 5C has to do with it failing? So if it looks good it should sell? A product can be really good designed yet fail because it isn't it's time or there are other products more appealing.

The same with the Apple Watch. The market is young and the design is good. It doesn't have anything to do with the maturity of the market or it's slow proccesor. You are talking about a desirable box with an original strap system worth of being patented.
 
The good news: You get millions per year
The bad news: You won't have time to spend it on anything fun til you're old as dirt.

You forgot the nightly business meetings in the best restaurants and hotels around the world. Ok, it's not like being retired, but seems pretty fun.
 
Great designer? cheap ipohne 5c failed, apple watch failed, macbook with one port failed, magic mouse 2 failed, iphone battery case failed, ipad pro cover failed, rubbish ugly antenna lines on iphone 6x failed, and most importantly cheap, cartoonish, boring, tasteless and colorless flat ios/mac os UI failed. All these designs made after Steve. No wonder, why they have to cut the production by 30%! No doubt these three are great for Apple, they proved in past, but that was with one leader to give them right way to do it. Nowadays they took themselves as granted, misusing their powers and taking advantage of brand name Apple. Tim is interested in big numbers and make Apple a first 1 trillion company, He approves everything which is cheaply designed. Jony thinks he owns the Apple and polluting whole Apple software department. god bless Apple

I only disagree about iPhone 5C. It probably was the top selling Apple smartphone in emerging markets. The problem is, emerging markets don't usually buy Apple stuff as much as USA.
 
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Actually, that's your idea of what an iPhone is for. My mother uses two apps: FaceTime and a banking app. She's using my iPhone 4 with broken camera. If it had 4GB RAM she'd be as happy as she is with 16GB.

Where can I get an iPhone with 4GB RAM? That would make me pretty happy too.

Besides that, you are missing the whole point. Which is people getting hand-me-down phones and using only a fraction of what they're meant for may be okay with limited storage, but they're not the ones buying the device for those limited uses. Would your mom pay $750 for a 6s plus with only 16 gig in it to run facetime and her banking app? Few people's mothers would.

I can't imagine anyone who feels they'll use the phone enough to justify a $750 price tag will use it for so little that 16 gig of ram is a good choice. What is it now, about 20 minutes of video to completely fill the device? Don't forget iOS takes up a few gigs too.
 
Executive pay is set, or at least has to get approved, by the Board of Directors. The BoD is not window dressing. They're the boss of the CEO and responsible to the shareholders.

I'm fully aware of that and it still surprises me. Tim sits on that board, Al Gore, ex-CFO of Boeing and the Current CEO of Disney all sit on that board.

It surprises me that they haven't requested more compensation for the amount of profit they generate. They are literally operating the most profitable company in the world as of 2015. And yet Bob Iger, current CEO of Disney, a member on the board of Apple made $44.9 Million in 2015.

Disney profit 2015 so far: $7.84 Billion
Apple profit 2015 so far: $44.46 Billion

So Apple makes 5.66 times more profit, but the CEO (Tim Cook) is only paid $10.28 Million which is 4.37 times less than Bob Iger.

So to put this in perspective, Bob, a member of Apples board gets paid 4.3x more money for bringing in 5.6x less profit.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with these compensation levels, I'm not saying Tim should be paid more or Bob should be paid less. I'm just saying it's surprising that Tim isn't paid more considering the company he is leading and the profits he and his team are generating. It's not unheard of for investment bankers to make 200 Million and be generating nowhere near these kinds of profits. And yes I know I'm not including time releasing stocks in the future into his current pay package.
 
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Where can I get an iPhone with 4GB RAM? That would make me pretty happy too.

Besides that, you are missing the whole point. Which is people getting hand-me-down phones and using only a fraction of what they're meant for may be okay with limited storage, but they're not the ones buying the device for those limited uses. Would your mom pay $750 for a 6s plus with only 16 gig in it to run facetime and her banking app? Few people's mothers would.

I can't imagine anyone who feels they'll use the phone enough to justify a $750 price tag will use it for so little that 16 gig of ram is a good choice. What is it now, about 20 minutes of video to completely fill the device? Don't forget iOS takes up a few gigs too.
I am not saying my mom would pay $750 for a 6s+. I'm saying that nobody really can say "iPhone must be used this way and if you're doing something else you're not using it correctly". I think it's laughable that Apple even has a 16GB model, and I couldn't possibly justify spending even more on a 64GB, so I went for a Sony phone which spares me this problem by offering a microSD slot. (I use all this space.) BUT at the same time the 16GB model sells. Is it irritating – especially for those of us who have to deal with relatives complaining "but I bought this iPhone you told me about and I recorded four minutes of my granddaughter's wedding and it won't let me record more, why did you tell me to buy this". But it is obviously the right business strategy considering Apple's astronomical profits. For how long will it remain the right business strategy? I don't know. They lost me a while ago. But I think Tim isn't having sleepless nights about it considering that they had yet another record year.
 
What does a good designed iPhone 5C has to do with it failing? So if it looks good it should sell? A product can be really good designed yet fail because it isn't it's time or there are other products more appealing.

The same with the Apple Watch. The market is young and the design is good. It doesn't have anything to do with the maturity of the market or it's slow proccesor. You are talking about a desirable box with an original strap system worth of being patented.

Its not about a good looking product. what is the place of that product in real market? Now you look back and analyze about that product, what was the real vision and purpose behind it? Cheap iphone? - No, it was not cheap. a new iphone catogery? - no, it was 1 year older iphone with different color. why would an company like Apple go backward? why they waste time, money and effort in re-packing old phone in new box with just $100 cheaper? I understand your point with Apple watch. Its still growing and immature phase of category, which I hope they come up with really useful and good future. But what about ugly ugly really really ugly iphone cases and covers? Remember iphone 5c cases?
 
It's like when they released the MacBook Air without an optical drive and everyone called them crazy. You could still buy a white MacBook or a MacBook Pro.

When Apple took the optical drive it of the MacBook Pro with the Retina models in 2012 people were less shocked, and even then Apple refreshed the older MacBook pros just in case.
The one port makes the statement 'we think wireless is the future'. If you don't think the MacBook fits your needs, they updated the MacBook Air and Pro, too.

It's like when they released the MacBook Air without an optical drive and everyone called them crazy. You could still buy a white MacBook or a MacBook Pro.

When Apple took the optical drive it of the MacBook Pro with the Retina models in 2012 people were less shocked, and even then Apple refreshed the older MacBook pros just in case.

If Apple had removed all ports from all their computers, or discontinued the MacBook Air you'd have grounds to complain. Now there's a product for people who don't plug much into their laptop, and a reason for third parties to make wireless accessories.

Removing the optical drive was a much easier task, in fairness. It wasn't so much about a shift to wireless: it was about a shift from mechanical components (optical drives and spinning hard disks) to solid-state ones (USB sticks/NAS and flash drives). Mechanical components are big, power-hungry, slow and prone to mechanical failures - while at the same time, we had mature replacement technology that had none of those drawbacks and was rapidly falling in price.

I don't see that same balance for wireless against wired technologies. We're shoe-horning wireless in to replace wired standards, and they come with the obvious convenience benefit of not having wires, but are worse in almost every other respect. They have unpredictable performance (but always worse than wired), are less reliable, consume more power and sometimes require proprietary technologies which don't interoperate with devices from other vendors. Take AirPlay vs cabled video output, for instance: it used to be that every laptop needed VGA in order to hook up to beamers; now it's been modernised to HDMI. If we go Apple's route and eliminate all cables, we have to buy AppleTVs everywhere to support AirPlay because it's a software protocol and they can break it whenever they feel like. That doesn't even bring us to the issue of wireless charging.

So the truth is that Apple is just pretending you don't need cables. The facts of life are that you do, and that having those standards codified in hardware is actually an implicit form of consumer protection against incompatible protocol changes. In practical usage, you will need cables, often at unpredictable times, and then you'll find out that you can't attach them without an additional breakout box. In short: it becomes incredibly inconvenient.

I sometimes get the feeling Tim Cook is 'acting' the role of Apple CEO. He's acting so like people think Apple should stereotypically act, that he loses track of the important points underneath it all. Usually, when Apple makes bold decisions, I can see a good technical and engineering reason behind it. Maybe I'm growing older and wiser, but increasingly Apple's products have little technical innovation and pitch themselves too aggressively as creative tools made by artists.

The Apple Watch marketing campaign was a massive shock to me. People often accuse people of being a fashion brand (that is: style but not substance), but they've always fought against that by making technically superior products and decisions. Then they just threw it all away and said "SURPRISE! We really are a fashion company! And in fact, we're so arrogant and conceited we're going to make a $25,000 version out of solid gold, only going to sell it in curated 'collections' to limit your personalisation options, and even then only sell it in high-end fashion stores!" Now they've had to turn back their expectations, selling it for half-price and expanding distribution to include mainstream electronics vendors like Best Buy.

It's like they want to be Burberry, who can sell a scarf for €400 because of their name. That has never been who Apple was (to me, at least). Yes, their products were more expensive than their competitors and yes, they had more style - but they also had more substance. Now they don't even care about pitching to you based on substance. They don't care about making a better product, the same way Burberry doesn't care about making a better scarf and Louis Vuitton doesn't care about making a better suitcase.

I'm torn about selling my shares. On the one hand, I think Apple is incredibly cheap based on where they are right now; on the other hand, I'm not impressed with their progress this year and believe they need some absolutely barnstorming improvements to get back on track.

The Watch2/WatchOS3 is going to have to really blow us away to get some momentum for that product. The AppleTV needs an enormous amount of work just to get where it should have been at launch. There are huge question marks over the future of the iPad. Apple isn't really ending 2015 in the sort of supremely strong position they're usually in.
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I wouldn't normally say this about CEO compensation, but Tim actually seems like he's underpaid. Clearly he's bringing tremendous value to the company, which continues to be the largest (by market cap) and most profitable of any industry on the planet. Some CEOs get paid a LOT more than this, for doing highly questionable and even downright evil things. I wouldn't put Apple in that category, no matter what you want to say about Chinese labor, blah blah blah.

GIVE TIM A RAISE! Or at least more stock!

What ridiculous logic. The dude earned $10 million for a year's work leading a team of people who are also incredibly well paid (and, one would imagine, must be incredibly talented and competent at their jobs to deserve such money).

If other CEOs are getting paid more, that's the problem. Those are the people who should be making less.
If other executives at Apple are getting paid more, that's another problem. Those people should be making less.

I can't believe that people who don't earn a fraction of what Tim Cook just did, who probably have way more stresses and pressures in their lives than he has, are waving away cases of Chinese workers who literally work themselves to death in order to say that a man who made $10 million deserves more money.

You probably don't even understand how much $10 million is. You could probably add up all the money you'll ever see in your life, and it would be less than $10 million. He made just above 374x the average salary of people in the USA. To put that another way: Tim Cook earned as much every single day (including weekends and bank holidays) as the middle-of-the-road American makes in an entire year. And you're saying he should get paid more.

Now, he has responsibilities and such (well, not really... if he fails those responsibilities, he still gets loads of cash. If a janitor fails his responsibilities he's out of a job, in danger of losing his home, etc). Are those responsibilities really worth an entire year's worth of back-breaking labour (such as janitorial work) every single day?
 
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