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Given everything Apple has managed to accomplish this year, I do feel that Tim Cook deserves every cent he earned (and yes, I know this is going to be a very controversial statement).

Different people are needed at different points in a company history. Jobs was right for his era, but he would have been a disaster for the Cook era.

Cook is amazing, and has been responsible for most of the achievements of Apple, but not the initial innovation and concept that Jobs provided. Cook has refined the culture and expanded it, and has done as fine a job as any CEO in American history, if not world business history.

Okay, I’m interested. What makes you say that Jobs would have been a disaster for the ‘Cook era’? Given, you know, his track record of turning a company on the brink of bankruptcy into the most successful company in the world? Riding on the coat tails of that is far easier than doing what Jobs did, because let’s face it, if it was left to Cook to turn the company around in 1997 then Apple wouldn’t be here today, simply because he isn’t a visionary and isn’t a product guy. We’re already seeing the cracks and criticism of Apple today and he’s only going into his 7th year of leading Apple. Not dismissing what Cook has done, there is a reason Jobs chose him as his successor and he has more than proven that by keeping the company afloat. But all of that has come at the expense of the quality of their products, which just aren’t as good as compared to how they were proven to be in the Jobs era. iOS is terrible because he (Cook) made a poor choice in getting rid of Forstall and others who were better at their jobs than who he replaced them with, mainly a hardware guy (Jony) who has no business handling software.

So yes, while Cook has kept Apple at the top in terms of numbers which is something we shouldn’t care about, the quality of their products has dipped and that is the only thing we should be caring about. See: 90s Microsoft.
I actually hope Apple fail more than succeed because they just don’t deserve to going by their current products with their lack of care, attention to detail and quality which was once the staple of the company.
 
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Cook is amazing, and has been responsible for most of the achievements of Apple, but not the initial innovation and concept that Jobs provided. Cook has refined the culture and expanded it, and has done as fine a job as any CEO in American history, if not world business history.

You owe me a keyboard. I spit my beer when I read that drivel. You do realize all of Cook's "success" rests on the heels of Jobs, right?
 
I wonder how he feels, having no recourse to keep his compensation private.
Well, he has the option of taking a lesser position at Apple. As a senior executive of a publicly traded company, his compensation package is pretty much required for shareholders and potential investors.

And Apple can withhold this information for most employees, just not the senior executives.

Here in California, if you work for the state government, your salary is required *BY LAW* to be disclosed to the public. That's right, if you are janitor at XYZ state building and you are on the government payroll, your salary is public information. We know how much state government employees make, from the bottom all the way to the top (which happen to be state university football coaches).
 
Okay, I’m interested. What makes you say that Jobs would have been a disaster for the ‘Cook era’? Given, you know, his track record of turning a company on the brink of bankruptcy into the most successful company in the world? Riding on the coat tails of that is far easier than doing what Jobs did, because let’s face it if it was left to Cook to trim the company around in 1997 Apple wouldn’t be here today, simply because he isn’t a visionary and isn’t a product guy. Not dismissing what Cook has done, there is a reason Jobs chose him as his successor and he has more than proven that by keeping the company afloat. But all of that has come at the expense of the quality of their products, which just aren’t as good compared to the Jobs era. iOS is terrible because he (Cook) made a poor choice in getting rid of Forstall and others who were better at their jobs than who he replaced him with, mainly a hardware guy (Jony) who has no business handling software.

So yes, while Cook has kept Apple at the top in terms of numbers which is something we shouldn’t care about, the quality of their products has dipped and that is the only thing we should be caring about. See: 90s Microsoft.
I actually hope Apple fail more than succeed because they just don’t deserve to going by their current products and their lack of care and quality.
To put it simply, Tim can’t do what Steve does, just as Steve can’t do what Tim does either.

Steve is the ideas guy. He is great for coming up with great concepts and turning them into reality.

But as numerous companies have demonstrated, success is more than just having a great idea. You need to be able to make sufficient quantities and get them into the hands of as many users as possible. That’s where a supply chain guru like Tim Cook comes in, especially at the scale at which Apple is manufacturing today. Otherwise, you can forget about Apple selling 212 million iPhones this year.

Here’s an example of what Apple has accomplished in 2016. You need an enabler like Tim Cook to pave the way from a logistics perspective so it can happen.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

Also a very good read and a fair assessment on what Tim Cook is responsible for.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/1/19/grading-tim-cook

I end with this.

The Apple ecosystem now includes more than 1.1 billion devices and approximately 800 million users. The iPhone, iPad, and Mac installed bases have seen significant growth over the past six years. If Apple were a sandcastle, Cook has overseen quite the massive construction phase. While credit for this achievement should indeed flow to Cook and his inner circle (the four were instrumental with iPhone, iPad, and Mac), there is a much more straightforward way to judge Cook as Apple's CEO. Is the product still the most important thing at Apple? It's not by accident that the only way to answer that question is to bring Jony and the Apple Industrial Design group into the question. This leads us to the most effective way to judge Cook and his inner circle. Is Apple still a design studio with a large technology company attached to the side? In response to that question, Cook and his inner circle are doing what needs to be done in order to maintain Apple's relevancy.
In short, Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, and that’s perfectly okay.
 
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$1 was a lot of money time ago dud
Completely irrelevant.

Steve's $1 salary was at a time when typical Fortune 500 CEOs were making six or seven figures.

The $1 salary was mostly symbolic, to persuade the general public that his compensation was based solely on performance (Steve didn't need the Apple money, he was already rich from his Pixar holdings). It also saved Steve a bunch of payroll taxes.

His widow Laureen Powell Jobs is one of the richest women in the world and it's not because of any Apple holdings. Her fortune is mostly from Disney shares; until recently she was Disney's largest single shareholder.
 
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Before digging into the detail further, I wonder, would Steve Jobs did the same back then? I mean, the entire “private aircraft for security purpose” thing.
 
You mean he made Apple more of a fashion accessory rather than a substantial technology company that used to be revered in the Pro world? I understand that he has made a few good decisions but "Jobs being a disaster for Cook's era?" Really?! I think I would have loved for Steve Jobs to have lived long enough to smack Tim upside the head and say to him "What the hell were you thinking?!"

And, "done as a fine job as any CEO in American history, if not world history?" :eek:o_O

......and that “Fashion” part of the assesory is fading while what’s under the hood decompensates. Tim is a Shareholder Tool.

I look forward to all the Tim Apologists defending Apple when they bring no overseas cash back in 2018 other than to buyback shares to pad the pockets of the shareholders. I am surprised his security costs are not higher. Prolly cause he is in such good shape. :rolleyes:
 
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Completely irrelevant.

Steve's $1 salary was at a time when typical Fortune 500 CEOs were making six or seven figures.

The $1 salary was symbolic. It also saved Steve a bunch of payroll taxes.


Not symbolic. The board was 2 cheap 2 pay him more. They had many fights because Steve wasn’t even able 2 buy new clothes. That’s why was wearing always the same. You can’t do magic with 1 buck you know what i mean?
 
To put it simply, Tim can’t do what Steve does, just as Steve can’t do what Tim does either.

Steve is the ideas guy. He is great for coming up with great concepts and turning them into reality.

But as numerous companies have demonstrated, success is more than just having a great idea. You need to be able to make sufficient quantities and get them into the hands of as many users as possible. That’s where a supply chain guru like Tim Cook comes in, especially at the scale at which Apple is manufacturing today. Otherwise, you can forget about Apple selling 212 million iPhones this year.

Here’s an example of what Apple has accomplished in 2016. You need an enabler like Tim Cook to pave the way from a logistics perspective so it can happen.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

Also a very good read and a fair assessment on what Tim Cook is responsible for.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/1/19/grading-tim-cook

I end with this.


In short, Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, and that’s perfectly okay.

I certainly agree that Cook has done an amazing job, and I don’t think anyone else would have been able to produce such impressive numbers, but I just don’t agree with you when you say that Jobs wouldn’t have been able to do this? The entire period he was at Apple since his return, especially 2001-2011, was the most successful period in Apples history. If he kept that up, with Cook still being employed in his previous role as the supply chain guru, then I have no doubt we would be seeing an even more successful Apple today, with the quality and care in all of their products from hardware to software to match. There would also be far fewer complaints on this site and elsewhere because Steve was like this reliable father to us who we could put our trust in to constantly deliver, and that’s something we no longer have. I know because I no longer feel about Apple the same way I did when he was here, and I’ve seen the same change with many others right here on MacRumors too.
 
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You still need a steady hand at the wheel to grow Apple to the behemoth that it is today.
Momentum helped as well as a well oiled supply chain. Problem is how will Apple get to the next level? That's where you need the visionary which Tim is not. Tim wouldn't know a good product if it hit him upside of the head.

To paraphrase Wayne Gretzky, Steve went where things were going. Tim goes where they are. He is not the leader Apple needs.

Steve revolutionized the Personal Computer (iMac), Revolutionized the music industry (iPod/iTunes), revolutionized the smartphone, and made the iPad. All from 1997-2011.

What has Tim done done in the last 7 years? Oh yeah, we got the same old iPhones, crappy Macbooks, stagnant designs, a watch, and ear pods. And bought a crappy headphone company. They are losing the assistant race (which they pioneered) which is set up to be the next big thing.

Apple is not doomed but they need to get a visionary back at the helm. Someone that can see the next big thing and get Apple there. Reread Jobs' biography where he talks about Apple prior to his return and all the things they were trying to do and how they were milking the fan base with exorbitant prices. Sound familiar - it's starting to happen in 2017!
 
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Not symbolic. The board was 2 cheap 2 pay him more. They had many fights because Steve wasn’t even able 2 buy new clothes. That’s why was wearing always the same. You can’t do magic with 1 buck you know what i mean?
Again, incorrect. Steve was the one who pushed for the $1 salary, just like his BFF Larry Ellison later did at Oracle.

Steve already had tons of dough from his Pixar holdings, did you not register that? Also, his penchant for wearing the same outfit came about after he already had plenty of personal capital.

Moreover, Steve's preferred black mock turtleneck wasn't the $15 cheapie from Lands End. He was buying $200 Issey Miyake shirts. He wore ordinary jeans and sneakers, but drove around a S-series Mercedes-Benz. Plus, he owned a private jet.

Steve also sat on the Disney board of directors and refused the customary compensation. The Disney board had to vote to allow for Jobs's request.

Since you don't seem to be aware of it, this type of posturing is pretty common in Fortune 100 boards.

Apple directors are entitled to one complimentary Apple product per year (iPhone, MacBook Pro, whatever) and many board members refuse to exercise this privilege.

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Can’t Tim just use Jony’s plane (the one he bought from Steve Jobs wife)?
I sell you my house and a few years later I ask you if I can sleep on your living room couch a couple of times a month.

Would you go for it?
 
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I certainly agree that Cook has done an amazing job, and I don’t tink anyone else would have been able to produce such impressive numbers, but I just don’t agree with you when you say that Jobs wouldn’t have been able to do this? The entire period he was at Apple since his return, especially 2001-2011, was the most successful period in Apples history. If he kept that up, with Cook still being employed as the supply chain guru, then I have no doubt we would be seeing an even more successful Apple today, with the quality and care in all of their products from hardware to software to match.

We will never know what would have been had Steve Jobs never died.

I do feel that under Steve, the iPhone improved at a glacial pace. It wasn’t until iOS 7 that it became painfully aware just how behind Android iOS was in terms of features and functionality. Apple has done an excellent job closing the gap in the recent years, at the cost of some stability, and I feel it’s a fair trade off overall.

Where I do feel Steve’s presence is sorely missed is the dose of hindsight and common sense he brings to the team. We see Apple making way more mistakes these days, which is probably the downside of there not being someone like Steve standing behind you and telling you what a dumb idea it was. But Apple will learn from their mistakes and eventually get to the same end point; they will just take a little longer and have more bruises to show for it.

Apple is more than one man, and will survive Steve’s passing, and continue to thrive and prosper. That much I am confident of.
 
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To put it simply, Tim can’t do what Steve does, just as Steve can’t do what Tim does either.

Steve is the ideas guy. He is great for coming up with great concepts and turning them into reality.

But as numerous companies have demonstrated, success is more than just having a great idea. You need to be able to make sufficient quantities and get them into the hands of as many users as possible. That’s where a supply chain guru like Tim Cook comes in, especially at the scale at which Apple is manufacturing today. Otherwise, you can forget about Apple selling 212 million iPhones this year.

Here’s an example of what Apple has accomplished in 2016. You need an enabler like Tim Cook to pave the way from a logistics perspective so it can happen.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

Also a very good read and a fair assessment on what Tim Cook is responsible for.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/1/19/grading-tim-cook

I end with this.


In short, Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs, and that’s perfectly okay.

Steve Ballmer was also a great numbers guy...
 
Again, incorrect. Steve was the one who pushed for the $1 salary, just like his BFF Larry Ellison later did at Oracle.

Steve already had tons of dough from his Pixar holdings, did you not register that? Also, his penchant for wearing the same outfit came about after he already had plenty of personal capital.

Steve also sat on the Disney board of directors and refused the customary compensation. The Disney board had to vote to allow for Jobs's request.
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I sell you my house and a few years later I ask you if I can sleep on the couch a couple of times a month.

Would you go for it?

Completely false. I saw on tv that he was paid $1 per minute. Even when he was sleeping. That’s a lot of money dude..
 
Momentum helped as well as a well oiled supply chain. Problem is how will Apple get to the next level? That's where you need the visionary which Tim is not. Tim wouldn't know a good product if it hit him upside of the head.

To paraphrase Wayne Gretzky, Steve went where things were going. Tim goes where they are. He is not the leader Apple needs.

Tim has offloaded the visionary part to Jony Ive and his team. Tim’s the enabler. You tell him what you need in order to turn your vision into reality and he will see that it gets done.
 
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