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No because our system isn’t as corrupt it seems.
Hmmm. Okay. European businesses seem to think it is.

From the European Union‘s own website.
 
No because our system isn’t as corrupt it seems.
Maybe then Spotify can consider paying their musicians more and stop trying to stiff them of a couple of cents of streaming revenue here and there.

 
I shouldn’t bother given your fan boy tendencies but what the heck.

I will start with the areas that Apple got into but ended up offering just same old same old but more expensive under Tim - iPhones, Apple TV, Apple Music, iCloud (not even same old but worse than competition), wearables, etc.

And areas which Apple got into but failed or is failing under Tim. Siri, Apple physical TV, AI, AR, smart home, speakers, autonomous cars, Sapphire glass, Liquid Metal, etc.

Areas that Apple should perhaps get into but didn’t. Now this could be anything in the emerging tech space like robotics, space and satellite, etc. Clearly this is the future and nobody knows what this might be. But just like Steve bet and won with iPhone, iPod, ipad, iTunes, etc. Apple needs new game changing categories. I doubt this will happen with Tim as ceo.
Areas that failed under Tim: apple car.
 
‘Apple hating’ is a made up term for those obsessed with Apple and the misguided notion that Apple can do no wrong, in the face of anything; rival companies, governments, dictatorships, third world countries, abuses, privacy violations, price fixing. Anyone who merely questions any potential wrong doing by Apple is labelled an ‘Apple hater’, just as on the other side of the coin, you for example, are likely to be labelled an ‘Apple apologist’.
Apple hating is a term used to criticize anything that apple does and use it to show how the company and/or CEO is incompetent in an excessively hyperbolic way.
Not sure why it’s not possible just to have an adult discussion based on factual information, without it resorting to embarrassing, emotional name called in defence of an entity run by a group of people who not only don’t know you, but also couldn’t care less.
Not sure either.
Removing ‘love’ (read: obsession) from a product or a company doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy and use the product or companies products.
Sure.
 
Areas that failed under Tim: apple car.

And that was due to the US government imposing a 100% tariff (up from the then current 25% tariff) back in early 2024 on imported EVs manufactured in China.

There was no way Apple could make a reasonable business case with that in effect. Apple pulled out shortly afterwards.
 
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‘Apple hating’ is a made up term for those obsessed with Apple and the misguided notion that Apple can do no wrong, in the face of anything; rival companies, governments, dictatorships, third world countries, abuses, privacy violations, price fixing. Anyone who merely questions any potential wrong doing by Apple is labelled an ‘Apple hater’, just as on the other side of the coin, you for example, are likely to be labelled an ‘Apple apologist’.

Not sure why it’s not possible just to have an adult discussion based on factual information, without it resorting to embarrassing, emotional name called in defence of an entity run by a group of people who not only don’t know you, but also couldn’t care less.

Removing ‘love’ (read: obsession) from a product or a company doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy and use the product or companies products.
Exactly this. When you’re not agreeing or being critical at a company that’s showing very little progress, is charging you more and more and you see their software falling behind on all fronts, you must be a hater. A normal person would ask why you think so and ask about arguments to support those. He/she would also do some research on is own by trying to compare and trying to be objective.

Criticizing Apple is like throwing garlic to a vampire for some. You get a whole mantra about how satisfied they’re while totally ignoring why you’re not, you must be wrong 😅.

It’s creepy.
 


Apple CEO Tim Cook earned $74.6 million in 2024, up from $63.2 million in 2023, Apple said in its annual proxy filing.

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Cook's earnings included a $3 million base salary, $58 million in stock awards, $12 million in performance-based awards, and $1.5 million in other compensation, such as 401(k) contributions, life insurance premiums, vacation cash-out, security expenses, and personal air travel expenses. Cook is required by Apple to use private aircraft for both business and personal travel.

Apple set a target compensation of $59 million for Cook, but Cook earned more through the cash incentive payout that executives receive when Apple performs well.

Though Cook's 2024 compensation exceeded what he earned in 2023, it was still down from the $99 million that he was awarded in 2022. Cook and the Board of Directors opted to decrease Cook's total compensation after his 2022 earnings reached almost $100 million.

Other Apple executives, including Luca Maestri, Kate Adams, Deirdre O'Brien, and Jeff Williams, earned $27.2 million.

Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook Earned $74.6 Million in 2024
It's actually obscene and I'm no socialist.
 
I think however much Tim gets paid (too much or not enough) will forever be clouded for folks by "how much money they have made on the stock"

It's a valid way to look at it, no question about that

I think for many of us who care primarily about the products and experience for customers, it's mostly secondary at best and there are lots of concerns about the actual future for Apple products and where they are/aren't investing time, money and attention.

Lots of valid concerns there given the track record of the last few years
Thank goodness ASi continues to be great
 
And that was due to the US government imposing a 100% tariff (up from the then current 25% tariff) back in early 2024 on imported EVs manufactured in China.

There was no way Apple could make a reasonable business case with that in effect. Apple pulled out shortly afterwards.
Oh please… Apple titan was a very costly mistake and too much to ask for a company that’s not able to get a working personal assistant in 13+ years.

If the brains of a car won’t work… the rest is useless.

In the meantime many competitors introduced a very smart well built EV. Xiaomi for example introduced their avatar. So did Huawei.

If those cars weren’t banned from the US market to protect GM, Ford the car market would look totally different in the USA today. Same for BYD, Zeekr, etc.

Apple wouldn’t stand a chance and that’s why they killed Titan.
 
Macpro, iMac 27”, Siri, AI, Final Cut Pro, motion, logic, iPhone SE, AVP you can also add to the list. There will be more …

CarPlay

The AVP one is particularly egregious given the reports of the major internal disagreements about releasing it at all

I can't even believe how much the narrative has shifted on that one.

From this below (Vanity Fair special coverage) to "no longer being manufactured in under one year of being released"

Tim really wanted this to be his iPhone moment

The man is super image conscious ... so agreeing to be photographed like this really tells the story of what he was hoping it would be.

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The AVP one is particularly egregious given the reports of the major internal disagreements about releasing it at all

I can't even believe how much the narrative has shifted on that one.

From this below (Vanity Fair special coverage) to "no longer being manufactured in under one year of being released"

Tim really wanted this to be his iPhone moment

The man is super image conscious ... so agreeing to be photographed like this really tells the story of what he was hoping it would be.

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Those AVP look so stupid 😂😂😂
 
I think however much Tim gets paid (too much or not enough) will forever be clouded for folks by "how much money they have made on the stock"

It's a valid way to look at it, no question about that

I think for many of us who care primarily about the products and experience for customers, it's mostly secondary at best and there are lots of concerns about the actual future for Apple products and where they are/aren't investing time, money and attention.

Lots of valid concerns there given the track record of the last few years
Thank goodness ASi continues to be great
Given this push people should be thankful competition exists. In fact according to some, apple is in last place already so according to them your concern is justified.

Me? I’m not worried.
 
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Why do people care how much Tim Cook makes or doesn’t make? Does his salary/bonuses take money away from you?
 
Those opinions are subjective. I say you’re wrong.
  • Operation Titan was more than just about making a car. Where is the mythical Tesla Roadster? It was a straight out lie.
  • Butterfly Keyboard was a great idea, that didn’t achieve its goals. You could use the exact same argument for Samsung Galaxy Note with the battery welding issue that caused them to blow up and be banned on every flight on the planet.
  • Apple Intelligence is version 1. Can’t fail when it hasn’t failed. Have you heard of ChatGPT? I’ve also just been advised by Microsoft that I am having a 40% bill hike on Office 365 because of Cortana!
  • Apple Vision Pro is certainly not a failure. Bollocks does not equal fact!
  • Siri is Siri. I have a near 100% success rate. If I were you, I’d consider user error to be the main fault here.
  • Bloated and stagnant? Lolol. Specifically what are you talking about? You wanna see bloated, load up a Samsung Adware phone or Microsoft 11 Adware Laptop.
  • Forced Upgrades to get new features, on a new phone that has apparently stagnated? Did you read this before you hit post? Here’s a newsflash. New products get new features. Old products tend not to. That's called upgrading. I had a car once that didn’t have seat heaters. OMG! Imagine having to upgrade to a new product to get something not included in an old one!
  • Your obsession comment isn’t about Apple. It’s about people obsessing on a macrumors forum crying because Apple are one of the most successful companies on the planet. Whilst others, like Samsung have stagnated and facing all kinds of uncertain future.
Tell us, who is your preferred tech company? Let’s see how they fair?
Well… the USA ranks higher than most European countries on the corruption list.

 
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