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An investor who bought $10,000 of Apple stock at the start of Cook's tenure as CEO in 2011 would have $163,000 today after enjoying a compound annual return of 25%. A $10,000 investment in the S&P 500 would be worth $52,100 today.
 
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Anyway, why do you think the EU is stepping in? I’ll answer that question for you: for preventing companies misusing their power for their own benefits at the cost of the consumer. The EU makes sure future Apple products will play nice with other vendors 😊
If you think that's why the EU is stepping in then I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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Yes it absolutely should be frictionless … it at least as close to it as is practical

Extend your thinking out to other aspects of life and you will see how impractical, inconvenient and undesirable that would be for people

I have no idea why folks think we should bend society to the will of corporations over people
That's what Ted Kaczynski said.

The free market is not an actual thing

It’s wholly determined by rules and regulation

It’s literally a creation that depends upon rules and regulations in fact

If there were absolutely no rules there would be absolutely no free market

It should also be clarified that the use of the word free here is not really that accurate for how these things actually function

I think Free market basically means a market where companies are free to compete with each other. But I can't disagree that we don't really have a lot of free markets. I believe they do exist though.
 
If you think that's why the EU is stepping in then I have a bridge to sell you.
Totally. It's about a money grab and shoring up business that are based in the EU. Oh and being bed buddies with the likes of Daniel Ek (Spotify) and Tim Sweeney (Epic Games). I wouldn't be surprised to see that EU members are getting actual kick-backs/bribes from those people given the problems they have had with EU members being paid of and the corruption charges previously held against them. We might call it "payment for services rendered".

 
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Totally. It's about a money grab and shoring up business that are based in the EU. Oh and being bed buddies with the likes of Daniel Ek (Spotify) and Tim Sweeney (Epic Games). I wouldn't be surprised to see that EU members are getting actual kick-backs/bribes from those people given the problems they have had with EU members being paid of and the corruption charges previously held against them. We might call it "payment for services rendered".

Exactly right. If the EU was so concerned about "preventing companies misusing their power for their own benefits at the cost of the consumer" as the op stated, then why isn't the EU doing anything about Spotify?
 
Possible. But nobody is worth that much. You take any one at Apple from Senior Management and they work ‘harder’ than any CEO. CEO are there to represent, be the face of the company and make strategic decisions that set the course of the company for years to come.

An IT Director shares that same fate for $90,000-$250,000 and is way more active with way less support staff so I get where you are coming from.
 
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Performance Scorecard:
  • Failed Car Project
  • Failed Butterfly Keyboard
  • Failed Apple Intelligence
  • Failed Apple Vision Pro
  • Failed Siri Experience
  • Bloated and stagnated product line up
  • Forced product upgrades to experience 'new features'
  • Pivoted company from customer obsession to shareholder obsession
Sure, why not, pay the man $74M!!

I love Apple but companies that rest on their laurels and shift focus from the customer are eventually disrupted. Look at Google management who not long ago issued a CODE RED over ChatGPT.
 
I love Apple but companies that rest on their laurels and shift focus from the customer are eventually disrupted. Look at Google management who not long ago issued a CODE RED over ChatGPT.
And chatGPT is still haemorrhaging money for its parent company. While Apple just ended up integrating said service into Siri, and will presumably be getting a cut of any subscription revenue made this way. And guess what - people are still going to need hardware to consume these services on.

I will say that Apple is smart for not throwing good money into what is clearly a money pit. It's also clear that the people who keep saying that Apple will get disrupted are the ones who don't understand how Apple grew so big and successful in the first place. Hint - it's not because they make smartphones or tablets or laptops, but the entire integrated ecosystem, something which no one else has managed to replicate.
 
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Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers who love Apple products, and have propelled Apple to becoming one of the most successful tech companies in the world, disagree with your assessment.

Perhaps you could list a dozen or so innovative products Apple should be developing? Should be easy.


I will start with the areas that Apple got into but ended up offering just same old same old but more expensive under Tim - iPhones, Apple TV, Apple Music, iCloud (not even same old but worse than competition), wearables, etc.

And areas which Apple got into but failed or is failing under Tim. Siri, Apple physical TV, AI, AR, smart home, speakers, autonomous cars, Sapphire glass, Liquid Metal, etc.

Areas that Apple should perhaps get into but didn’t. Now this could be anything in the emerging tech space like robotics, space and satellite, etc. Clearly this is the future and nobody knows what this might be. But just like Steve bet and won with iPhone, iPod, ipad, iTunes, etc. Apple needs new game changing categories. I doubt this will happen with Tim as ceo.
 
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Performance Scorecard:
  • Failed Car Project
  • Failed Butterfly Keyboard
  • Failed Apple Intelligence
  • Failed Apple Vision Pro
  • Failed Siri Experience
  • Bloated and stagnated product line up
  • Forced product upgrades to experience 'new features'
  • Pivoted company from customer obsession to shareholder obsession
Sure, why not, pay the man $74M!!

I love Apple but companies that rest on their laurels and shift focus from the customer are eventually disrupted. Look at Google management who not long ago issued a CODE RED over ChatGPT.
Those opinions are subjective. I say you’re wrong.
  • Operation Titan was more than just about making a car. Where is the mythical Tesla Roadster? It was a straight out lie.
  • Butterfly Keyboard was a great idea, that didn’t achieve its goals. You could use the exact same argument for Samsung Galaxy Note with the battery welding issue that caused them to blow up and be banned on every flight on the planet.
  • Apple Intelligence is version 1. Can’t fail when it hasn’t failed. Have you heard of ChatGPT? I’ve also just been advised by Microsoft that I am having a 40% bill hike on Office 365 because of Cortana!
  • Apple Vision Pro is certainly not a failure. Bollocks does not equal fact!
  • Siri is Siri. I have a near 100% success rate. If I were you, I’d consider user error to be the main fault here.
  • Bloated and stagnant? Lolol. Specifically what are you talking about? You wanna see bloated, load up a Samsung Adware phone or Microsoft 11 Adware Laptop.
  • Forced Upgrades to get new features, on a new phone that has apparently stagnated? Did you read this before you hit post? Here’s a newsflash. New products get new features. Old products tend not to. That's called upgrading. I had a car once that didn’t have seat heaters. OMG! Imagine having to upgrade to a new product to get something not included in an old one!
  • Your obsession comment isn’t about Apple. It’s about people obsessing on a macrumors forum crying because Apple are one of the most successful companies on the planet. Whilst others, like Samsung have stagnated and facing all kinds of uncertain future.
Tell us, who is your preferred tech company? Let’s see how they fair?
 
I shouldn’t bother given your ideologue stance but what the heck.

I will start with the areas that Apple got into but ended up offering just same old same old but more expensive under Tim - iPhones, Apple Music, iCloud (not even same old but worse than competition), Siri, all their home speakers, wearables, etc.

And areas which Apple got into but failed or is failing. Apple physical TV, AI, AR, smart home, autonomous cars, Sapphire glass, Liquid Metal, etc.

Areas that Apple should perhaps get into but didn’t. Now this could be anything in the emerging tech space which could become apples next big thing. Like robotics, space and satellite, etc. Clearly this is the future and nobody knows what this might be. But just like Steve got into smart phone Apple needs another game changing category.
Imagine if Apple had someone as clever as you running the show! Is Apple Hating an ideology or a sport?
 
Imagine if Apple had someone as clever as you running the show! Is Apple Hating an ideology or a sport?
‘Apple hating’ is a made up term for those obsessed with Apple and the misguided notion that Apple can do no wrong, in the face of anything; rival companies, governments, dictatorships, third world countries, abuses, privacy violations, price fixing. Anyone who merely questions any potential wrong doing by Apple is labelled an ‘Apple hater’, just as on the other side of the coin, you for example, are likely to be labelled an ‘Apple apologist’.

Not sure why it’s not possible just to have an adult discussion based on factual information, without it resorting to embarrassing, emotional name called in defence of an entity run by a group of people who not only don’t know you, but also couldn’t care less.

Removing ‘love’ (read: obsession) from a product or a company doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy and use the product or companies products.
 
‘Apple hating’ is a made up term for those obsessed with Apple and the misguided notion that Apple can do no wrong, in the face of anything; rival companies, governments, dictatorships, third world countries, abuses, privacy violations, price fixing. Anyone who merely questions any potential wrong doing by Apple is labelled an ‘Apple hater’, just as on the other side of the coin, you for example, are likely to be labelled an ‘Apple apologist’.

Not sure why it’s not possible just to have an adult discussion based on factual information, without it resorting to embarrassing, emotional name called in defence of an entity run by a group of people who not only don’t know you, but also couldn’t care less.

Removing ‘love’ (read: obsession) from a product or a company doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy and use the product or companies products.
If it were factual information instead of people presenting a bias, uneducated, unresearched opinion as fact, I might agree with you.

Calling me an Apple Apologist is fine, except whenever I make a claim, I do it with facts behind me. Dispute anything I have said as non true, and back it up, and I will apologise. Otherwise, I’m just calling a spade, a spade.
 
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yes, ultimately it's the share holders wtth the help of the board of directors that holds the power. Anyone is free to argue if they should get someone else as CEO or compensate him differently but the BofDs aren't held powerless and they aren't complete fools.
The people on company boards are all voting for each others renumeration. It's no surprise that directors salaries are so high.
 
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