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What's a "sustainable system" in your view?
Are you kidding me? “What’s sustainable”, “who defines just”, etc...

Is this the “just asking questions” tactic or are you seriously asking me to provide you some kind of model for a sustainable society when there’re actual economists like Robert Reich already doing that work?

Talk to an actual expert, or pick up a book, preferably not by someone who thinks laissez-faire capitalism is “the only way”, nor someone spewing catchphrases like “Marxism” (or Marxism itself; even Karl Marx said he wasn’t a Marxist).
 
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Are you kidding me? “What’s sustainable”, “who defines just”, etc...

Is this the “just asking questions” tactic or are you seriously asking me to provide you some kind of model for a sustainable society when there’re actual economists like Robert Reich already doing that work?

Talk to an actual expert, or pick up a book, preferably not by someone who thinks laissez-faire capitalism is “the only way”, nor someone spewing catchphrases like “Marxism” (or Marxism itself; even Karl Marx said he wasn’t a Marxist).

Neither you nor Reich have a model for a "sustainable" society that wouldn't be a massive failure. The man doesn't even seem to understand the textbook driver of inflation. Reich is far more an ideologue than anything else.

What you think is "just" isn't.
 
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Dog save me from those who defend a system just because they think it might personally benefit them some day (or it already does, leaving their minds dominated by survivorship bias to make them think they found success all on their own agency, and spewing victim blaming when asked about everyone else who isn’t thriving under an obviously failing system).
 
Dog save me from those who defend a system just because they think it might personally benefit them some day (or it already does, leaving their minds dominated by survivorship bias to make them think they found success all on their own agency, and spewing victim blaming when asked about everyone else who isn’t thriving under an obviously failing system).
What failing system is that?
 
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Neither you nor Reich have a model for a "sustainable" society that wouldn't be a massive failure. The man doesn't even seem to understand the textbook driver of inflation. Reich is far more an ideologue than anything else.

What you think is "just" isn't.
Maybe your “textbook” was written by ideologues who continue to promote the status quo. His explanation for it seems fairly nuanced in how he also considers the active CHOICES corporations make to raise prices for no reason other than “because they can get away with it”.

If you and your loved ones are thriving in this system, congratulations for your good fortune; it is not common, and there’s a really good statistical chance that it was not attained entirely by your own personal hard work/agency. But I guess that’s one of those “unpopular opinions”.
 
Dog save me from those who defend a system just because they think it might personally benefit them some day (or it already does, leaving their minds dominated by survivorship bias to make them think they found success all on their own agency, and spewing victim blaming when asked about everyone else who isn’t thriving under an obviously failing system).

Even more government control of the economy will make things worse, not better.
 
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Maybe your “textbook” was written by ideologues who continue to promote the status quo. His explanation for it seems fairly nuanced in how he also considers the active CHOICES corporations make to raise prices for no reason other than “because they can get away with it”

The cause of inflation is more money chasing after the same goods. Reich states that more money chasing after the same goods somehow doesn't cause inflation. Reich is wrong.

If you and your loved ones are thriving in this system, congratulations for your good fortune; it is not common, and there’s a really good statistical chance that it was not attained entirely by your own personal hard work/agency. But I guess that’s one of those “unpopular opinions”.
Capitalism raised the standard of living for much of the world. Command economies lower it. I presume you seek to be ruled by "philosopher kings", but Plato's Utopia is unattainable.
 
The system that produced, among other things, the computer he's using.
? I can’t be bothered to debug everyone’s logical fallacies here. I’m out. Call it a win for your side, if you like. Gotta move on with my own life tonight.

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? I can’t be bothered to debug everyone’s logical fallacies here. I’m out. Call it a win for your side, if you like. Gotta move on with my own life tonight.

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You might want to at least debug your own logical fallacies in this thread.
 
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You’d rather have the US fail than have regulation to prevent unsustainable systems... wow. Just... wow.
If the US hasn't failed since July 4, 1776 due to 'unsustainable systems', it probably won't. BTW, what systems are unsustainable and can you prove these "unsustainable systems" will lead to a failure? (other than some opinions) If one doesn't like what they see in the country there is a remedy the first Tuesday of November.
 
No CEO should be earning that much more than their average worker, and I'm a capitalist. It IS sickening
Then there would be no incentive to be anything more than an average worker. If everyone thought this way, then the world would still be in the Stone Age. Just chill, be average, don’t try so hard. You will get paid the same no matter how much harder you work.
Only people who envy the success of others think the way you do. Beyond that, there’s no logical explanation to your reasoning.
 
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If the US hasn't failed since July 4, 1776 due to 'unsustainable systems', it probably won't. BTW, what systems are unsustainable and can you prove these "unsustainable systems" will lead to a failure? (other than some opinions) If one doesn't like what they see in the country there is a remedy the first Tuesday of November.

Have you been paying attention to any news over the last forty years, especially the last five or so? Our economy is a joke; income inequality is worse than every other developed nation on earth; education, healthcare, and rent have skyrocketed while wages have stagnated; the three richest Americans have more wealth than the lowest 50% combined; one of the political parties is actively working to destroy the rule of law and democracy, as well as stop any progress on climate change; we're the most incarcerated nation in human history; and on and on.

This kind of blind "we'll get through it" faith is ridiculous, and partly the reason we're in this mess. Outside of the civil war, this country has never been closer to failing.
 
I don’t think has going anywhere anytime soon.
He said on Kara Swisher’s podcast last year that he would probably not be at Apple in 10 years as that’s a long time, but there’s no date in sight.

Also, I remember reading news on here that Tim said Apple’s board has plans for succession in case he “misses a step” (getting hurt).
 
Why should it be? He's not getting free money. He's getting compensated for how much he produces for the company he works for. Just like an investor gets revenue based on the performance of the stock he invested in.
In Tim's case, he doesn't own Apple; he's just another employee. The difference is that he has thousands of people under his command. He's responsible for the success or failure of Apple and their employees with every decision he makes. Don't you think that's a lot of weight over his shoulders? Not everyone can fit in the shoes of a successful CEO. That's is why he gets paid what he gets paid.

So... explain yourself why is it sickening? Is it because you are not earning that much?

In the end it's all a trade-off. You are exchanging time for money. And time is priceless, because it's your life time we are talking about. He's not going to live enough to enjoy what he makes. And with all the work he has to do, he probably doesn't have much time to enjoy his fortune now.
In the end, it's all in vain. Thinking about it, it's better to work hard and smart for a few years, make enough money to retire and live a simple happy life. Or live a balanced life that doesn't revolve around work, instead of spending all your days working like a rat.
But Tim is a workaholic.
 
Have you been paying attention to any news over the last forty years, especially the last five or so? Our economy is a joke; income inequality is worse than every other developed nation on earth; education, healthcare, and rent have skyrocketed while wages have stagnated; the three richest Americans have more wealth than the lowest 50% combined; one of the political parties is actively working to destroy the rule of law and democracy, as well as stop any progress on climate change; we're the most incarcerated nation in human history; and on and on.

This kind of blind "we'll get through it" faith is ridiculous, and partly the reason we're in this mess. Outside of the civil war, this country has never been closer to failing.
Don't conflate Tim Cooks' salary with other aspects of the economy.

Tim Cooks' salary nor any CEO salary is the issue for the economy in the last 40 years.

None of what you mention is a result of Tim Cooks' salary. I never said what was going on in the US is motherhood and Apple Pie. But don't blame the ill's of society on Tim Cooks' salary.
 
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I have to say Tim Cooks salary does make me feel the fast degrading battery in my iPhone 12 is much more unacceptable lol. I’d rather they’d have invested in a better version of this vital smartphone component and only pay Tim a measly 60 million dollars a year instead.
 
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Don't conflate Tim Cooks' salary with other aspects of the economy.

Tim Cooks' salary nor any CEO salary is the issue for the economy in the last 40 years.

None of what you mention is a result of Tim Cooks' salary. I never said what was going on in the US is motherhood and Apple Pie. But don't blame the ill's of society on Tim Cooks' salary.

What are you talking about? I was responding to what you said. I even quoted your post. How much more direct do I have to be?

You said:
"If the US hasn't failed since July 4, 1776 due to 'unsustainable systems', it probably won't. BTW, what systems are unsustainable and can you prove these "unsustainable systems" will lead to a failure? (other than some opinions) If one doesn't like what they see in the country there is a remedy the first Tuesday of November."
 
What are you talking about? I was responding to what you said. I even quoted your post. How much more direct do I have to be?

You said:
"If the US hasn't failed since July 4, 1776 due to 'unsustainable systems', it probably won't. BTW, what systems are unsustainable and can you prove these "unsustainable systems" will lead to a failure? (other than some opinions) If one doesn't like what they see in the country there is a remedy the first Tuesday of November."
Because something is not motherhood and apple pie doesn't mean failure.... as in total collapse. The closest thing to total collapse would be imo, the civil war.
 
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