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Apple CEO Tim Cook: FBI's Backdoor Would Be 'Software Equivalent of Cancer'
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I agree that use of the word cancer is very strong and may offend some. But it works because it is shocking. Now people will start equating what the government is asking with a life-threatening illness. Those kind of statements stick in the mind. That's probably why Trump is doing so well because he says outrageous things that grab attention.
The FBI didn't "go public". They got a court order to force Apple to help them because Apple refused to cooperate in a national security investigation involving a phone which was owned by a local government which said government couldn't access. The media took it from there and Apple chose to put themselves front and center with the media in responding. Frankly, Tim Cook is not doing his company any favors with this though I'm sure he thinks he's trying. Ultimately, Apple isn't going to win this. They should have helped the FBI in secret when they had the chance and no one would have known.
I heard on the news that Apple has received thousands of requests in the past by several law enforcement agencies, and that Apple has complied with about 80% of those requests. What makes this case so special? Why is Apple fighting this now when they have complied in the past? Also all of you are fools if you believe Apple has never, once, helped law enforcement with investigations.
You're being ridiculous. Of course you can "deny" a court order. It's called an appeal.
Apple has the right to appeal this order from the magistrate. First and foremost the magistrate has given them until tomorrow to say why they shouldn't comply. Second, once they have replied to her, if she doesn't then rule in their favor they have the right to appeal her order. They can take this to the 9th Circuit, and then apply for certiorari to the Supreme Court if necessary. If they Supremes grant cert they can argue there case there. It's called an appeals process, and it's part of our legal system.
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Your statement is the one that is foolish. You are commenting when you are ignorant of the facts. If course Apple has complied with legitimate and legal warrants in other investigations. In fact, they have stated that they have been assisting in this investigation to their best ability.
But what "makes this case so special" is that they have gone to the point of not being able to extract any more data from this phone. What the FBI wants, and what this idiot magistrate has ordered is for Apple to design a new version of their software to allow the FBI to insert passwords into the phone programmatically an unlimited number of times. A process known as a brute force attack. The phone is currently designed to allow the user of the phone to set it up so that 10 incorrect passwords wipes the phone. That is a security feature of the phone. It is also designed to force a delay between password attempts. That is another security feature of the phone.
The reason they designed the phone that way is so that your iPhone, and my iPhone and every other person's iPhone in the world would be safe from hackers. If the FBI were to be successful in forcing Apple to design the software they want, and putting it on the phone it would create a precedent whereby anytime a government agency wanted to get into someone's phone all they would have to do is get a judge to force Apple to make a version of the software.
As Tim Cook said last night in the interview, what happens when a judge in a another jurisdiction decides that Apple should do this for a divorce case, and orders them to do it? Or a tax evasion case? What happens when a law enforcement agency wants Apple to design a software version that allows them to monitor someone's camera?
Another chilling thing here is that, once Apple designed that software version it would be a genie that never got back in the bottle, and the bad guys would get it at some point. Then nobody's phone is safe, unless they go out an use one of the multiple encryption tools that are available out there. Something that most law abiding citizens would not have the technical prowess to do. But you can bet your hide that a criminal enterprise would.
You really should wake up and realize that you are witnessing one of the most important civil liberties cases of your generation, if not in the last hundred years. Generations of Americans will be affected by the results of this case. If the FBI prevails here it will be a bad thing for us all.
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These cases are almost always handled in sealed proceedings. Even after motions are filed. The FBI purposely made this case public to put pressure on Apple. They might have succeeded if Tim Cook wasn't a strong and principled man, who can clearly enunciate his position. But there are still plenty of low information people like the person whose face you shaved this morning who help bring about totalitarian states. You do not deserve the freedom you have.
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LOL...I don't believe SB was a random event..IMO. This is more of distraction... Apparently there was a foreign oil trade between Turkey and ISIS on that day...and it was proven by Russian military as they have the video of them.
And there was a video who happened to be a victim sb..survivor i mean...in the news she was shot..after the news reported...she was able to walk normally....i saw this on youtube.
This is what seen...and my opinion....
Right, but that is the so-called "slippery slope" TC is referring to -- it's not about unlocking JUST one phone. It's the potential for setting a precedent were gov't can require a citizen or company to take extradorinaiy measures. That is why it's the gov't powers issue, not privacy, that is really being argued here. No one, even TC, is arguing the gov't doesn't have a right to see the data, just that the gov't doesn't have the right to force Apple to unlock it.
<<<< That was kinda douchey......a lot douchey actually.
If you really do even have cancer, You need to be taking daily pancreatic enzymes and a lot of them. Turns out enzymes dissolves old internal scar tissue AND cancer. Now Foods "Super Enzymes" one with each meal of WHOLE FOODS like steamed veggies like broccoli and potatoes. VERY LITTLE MEAT as it requires allot of energy and enzymes to liquefy. carrot, green apple and lemon juiced beverage though has surgar has more of the anti cancer substances and nutrients the body needs to heal itself. Stop eating sugar. Its well known cancer metabolizes glucose twice as much as human mitochondria. You need iodine, selenium, vitamin D and Magnesium - all the minerals most people are deficient in according to scientific published research. When the tumor/cancer starts to die, it will cause something known as tumor lysis syndrome. Its the toxic effect of the build up of tumor waste. GNC's triple Chlorophyll and charcoal will neutralize half of it and the increased fiber will help move it all out. After all of the above slowly strat incorporating very small amounts of probiotics back in. OR just disregard all of the above if you disagree. I wont argue.
Uh, yeah. I think I'll follow your advice instead of my oncologist at Memorial Sloan Kettering.
"If you really do even have cancer..."
Why don't you just go **** yourself.
I'm trying to remember what the term is for someone that goes online and makes inflammatory statements, then derives joy from people being offended by them... oh yeah:
"TOP DEFINITION
troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"
(via: urban dictionary)
Now... while I actually WANTED to believe that you were just a grumpy angry person that was mad at the world for "giving you cancer" & thus decided to lash out at "the gays", like Mr. Cook by making your HORRIBLE TASTE comment regarding him & HIV/AIDS- sadly this post here stating that you have no problem being mirthful and chuckling kinda destroys the image you've tried so hard to prop up of being an "easily offended / hyper-sensitive cancer victim"... it REALLY makes me suspect that you are actually making that up; which is a sad, disturbing, and sickening thought. Actually, FAR worse than if you actually are sick, & use it as an excuse to be openly bigoted. =(
(though... to be clear- there is NO right answer here, either scenario turns my stomach a bit)
Only fools believe that Apple, Google, Microsoft and probably even SAMSUNG haven't helped investigations.
BUT, that is what you do not seem to get.
The FBI government wants to tell a company how to run it's business and design it's products.
All under the guise of security.
This erodes everybody's freedom and privacy one piece at a time
Let's even say Apple does it. Once known the gangsters , terrorists et al will change their MO and the whole thing was for naught. The majority of bad guys will ALWAYS be a step ahead of police, FBI etc.
Apple is fighting this as it is an overreach by the government and could possibly destroy it's business.
While we are at it , the FBI should request from ALL manufacturers and that ALL smartphones have to design their OS with back doors just for them.
That is the next logical conclusion.
Then we need this implemented for all governments of the world in their language, because everybody is under attack.
With all the other iPhones police wants to have cracked lined up, Apple might as well open up an entire division at the new campus that just does that or publish an iCrack app.
Being a stubborn person, if I was Apple, if this came to a head with violating privacy of its customers, I'd close every store, move every factory and anything Apple related out of the country and operate from some other place.
The billions in tax revenue (I know people claim they don't pay enough) they pay right now will have an impact.
I think it is all about marketing. Legally speaking, Apple is in a pretty weak position. I've read the court filings and orders, and I have to say the government has the better arguments under the current laws. They've followed the law at every step, and they have a lot of precedence to back them up in this particular situation. Tim's public letter is very misleading if you know how the current law works. His argument is simply "We won't help because we think its wrong and don't like what you're doing". Sorry, but that doesn't get you off the hook. My guess as to why others in the tech community are not voicing more support for Apple is because they know Apple is in a weak position that is hard to defend and they don't want to be associated with it.
If Apple loses this battle, and I think they will, I think a lot of shareholders (me included) are going to be very angry with Tim Cook and Bruce Sewell (Apple's General Counsel) for going down this road in the first place. Unlike the community here that is largely made up of politically liberal young tech geeks jaded by the Edward Snowden revelations, the investors are regular everyday people and institutions who I think will draw the line at challenging court orders to make a point.
Sadly, your analysis is really way off base. Not surprising... Armchair analysts way overrate their ability to "understand" and correctly determine someone else's mind set and motivation.
Let me explain a few things...
First of all, I was diagnosed with Stage IV pancreatic cancer in July 2014, and expected to survive 4-8 months. It's been 19 and I actually feel pretty good, despite chemo every other week. If you don't think that's true, then you can stick it up your ***.
Secondly, my medical condition has absolutely nothing to do with my being "openly bigoted". Frankly, that goes back probably in excess of 40 years. I've been grumpy and angry for a long time, for reasons I won't expand upon here since I seriously doubt that you would have the capacity to understand.
Consider yourself educated.
P.S. When you want to make a point, you should consider using bold font to highlight words rather than all caps. All caps seems like you're shouting, rather than trying to accentuate. No charge for the advice, and, please don't bother to respond. I'll simply ignore it anyway.
What a naive mind! You are basically saying something like: "Hey, it's simple, just write your software without any sort of bugs! Will yea?"
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Or the potential that is will spread beyond Apple to all other companies that build or develop devices or software that can utilize encryption. Think Android, Windows, Linux, etc... and all the companies that ....
Cancer is a great term. Insidious invasion.
Yes, and No.
What Apple meant is, if the phone is still capable of doing the back up, an engineer could modify the configuration of one of the Wifi network that phone has connected with before to be hijack-able, then connect the phone to that Wifi network, and hijack the communication between the phone and iCloud server.
No. Apple holds the keys for encrypted iCloud backups. They can access almost anything stored in iCloud. They have already turned over information on prior backups of the iPhone in question.
In Tim Cook's metaphor, the whole human world is one body, and if a cancer is created in it, it easily spreads over the body. It's you who didn't understand the original meaning.
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Plainly wrong. No cloud service companies do that.
If it's like what you described, it doesn't matter whether the password had been changed or not.
1) Your premise this is an ideological driven case is off. None other than Ted Olsen is representing Apple here. Yes, the same Ted Olsen that represented the Bush 2000 campaign in the Bush vs Gore case and later became Bush's Solicitor General.
2) Investors understand the value of security built in to products. It makes a product very valuable to business against industrial espionage, governments (political espionage), and ordinary people who want to protect their financial and other information. Privacy is a selling point and a differentiator against rivals. THAT is why Apple is defending it so hard.
You are incorrect. Cook even mentioned it in his big interview.
Here's a source: Apple working on stronger iCloud backup encryption and iPhone security to counter FBI unlock requests
Here's the iOS security guide.
"Each file is broken into chunks and encrypted by iCloud using AES-128 and a key derived from each chunk’s contents that utilizes SHA-256. The keys, and the file’s metadata, are stored by Apple in the user’s iCloud account. The encrypted chunks of the file are stored, without any user-identifying information, using third-party storage services, such as Amazon S3 and Windows Azure."
A backdoor would be some secret way in that Apple intentionally placed beforehand, like a certain passcode that works on all iOS devices. You don't create a backdoor after the fact. It's the front door at that point. A backdoor is dangerous because it's easy to exploit once you know about it.
This vulnerability is known but is hard to exploit unless you're Apple. If anyone has figured out how to exploit it, they haven't released that to the public. But it should theoretically be possible.
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