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Gee, I wonder how your mood would be with Stage IV cancer...

Well... it didn't turn Steve into a passive aggressive homophobe. =P

Seriously though, a reason isn't an excuse...
Dying is a REASON to to be bitter; not an EXCUSE to publicly make disparaging commentary about people's sexuality.
 
Hear this!!!!
Glad this guy is speaking out. We need more influential people in the media to speak out publicly, rather than being afraid to be controversial. Tim is right, the issue at hand needs widespread public discussion.

I suspect if the American people truly considered all the implications of what has been proposed by the Fed, without wanting to diminish or gloss over the suffering of the relatives of the victims of Syed Farooq and Tashfeen Malik, much fewer than the quoted 51% would side with the FBI in the San Bernardino case.
 
Clearly, you do not have the capacity to understand the English language even in the simple form it was presented here in this interview. I guess I shouldn't be surprised; http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/watch-trump-brag-about-uneducated-voters

You got me there. lol

Q-Muir: The stories are legendary with new products with black drapery, the locked doors, the secrecy. If there's any American company that can keep a secret, it's Apple. To those who might say why didn't the FBI and apple team up in those secret labs and get his done earlier and no one would have ever known about it?

A-Cook: Well, I can't talk about the tactics of the FBI. They've chosen what they've done and they've chosen to do this out in public for whatever reasons that they have. What we think at this point given it is out in public....

Sure sounds to me (based on my limited capacity to understand the English language) like there could have been other options, but once it went public those options were taken off the table.
 
Just make the software, make sure nobody takes it home, and steal the iPhone's information in a closed room. He's probably afraid to do it because then people would know that the iPhone can be broken.

And for the last time, "backdoor" is the wrong term for what he's describing. I know he's just saying it to scare people and take blame off of Apple. It's apparent that someone (Apple or other) can make an alternate iOS and steal information by installing it, so that itself is the security vulnerability. Apple is being asked to exploit a known vulnerability, not create a new one. A backdoor would be if Apple knowingly put a vulnerability into iOS so it could be later exploited.

I'm sick of this guy's BS.

First, that is not what the FBI asked for, they asked for Apple to write a signed version of iOS that eliminates the defenses against brute force attacks so that they, the FBI, can attack it. This is the definition of a backdoor and it would work on anyone's phone. Do you think the FBI is going do as they are asked and destroy the OS image if Apple asks super duper nicely.
 
First, that is not what the FBI asked for, they asked for Apple to write a signed version of iOS that eliminates the defenses against brute force attacks so that they, the FBI, can attack it. This is the definition of a backdoor and it would work on anyone's phone. Do you think the FBI is going do as they are asked and destroy the OS image if Apple asks super duper nicely.

It seems like the issue is that people are naive to think that they can solve this "one issue" and then it goes away. They don't understand that once the code is written, it can easily be reverse-engineered and iOS is forever compromised.
 
IF that's the case.. (yet much of it still sounds like conspiracy theorist nonsense to me…) then I'd be against such a precedent too. Still so much plausible reporting out there that all they're asking for is access to the one phone and that it doesn't require an entire new iOS that could fall into the hands of hackers.

If there's no new iOS being asked for then Apple has to let them have access to the several phones of criminals. We must stay safe gang - or all these freedoms you're crying about won't be around anyway when we're under sharia law..
But the reporting you are reading is all wrong and the thing they are asking for is a new iOS with a back door. There is no question or dispute around this.

If you think the FBI not being able to break into the phone a dead terrorist, who destroyed all his other electronics, didn't bother to destroy is going to lead to Sharia law in the US, we all have much bigger problems. However, allowing the government to force companies to do their work for them pushed us much closer to a state like Saudi Arabia than anything terrorists have ever done.
 
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It seems like the issue is that people are naive to think that they can solve this "one issue" and then it goes away. They don't understand that once the code is written, it can easily be reverse-engineered and iOS is forever compromised.

I think that's part of the problem. The other part is that if Apple compiles this once, it's going to be hard not to comply with other requests. I think what he said about Congress enacting a law makes a lot of sense. Let our legislature come up with a narrowly defined law where compliance is mandatory. Orders like these from the FBI just come across as tyrannical.
 
Well its not really any right to privacy that they are protecting. The 4th amendment does allow for search and seizure with a warrant. The real case at hand here is whether the government can force a non-government entity to produce a way to gain entry into the property subject to the search warrant.

Apple has, in fact, given the FBI, all personal non-encrypted information it had on its iCloud server.
I'm not referring to the privacy of the accused.

I'm referring to the privacy of everyone else that may be jeopardized as a result of the creation of this backdoor.
 
I'm not referring to the privacy of the accused.

I'm referring to the privacy of everyone else that may be jeopardized as a result of the creation of this backdoor.

Me too. But privacy isn't central to this case. It's just the subtext.
 
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I disagree with it being compared to cancer. Cancer kills people, destroys lives, tears apart families and can leave the host impaired for life. A phone and software isn't on the same level.
 
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I disagree with it being compared to cancer. Cancer kills people, destroys lives, tears apart families and can leave the host impaired for life. A phone and software isn't on the same level.
I see your point, but analogies are never exactly the same on both sides. Otherwise they would be equal, not analogous.

FWIW, a loss of privacy can have all of the consequences that you listed.
 
Me too. But privacy isn't central to this case. It's just the subtext.
If you only look at it from the confines of the case itself you are right.

What I'm talking about is the repercussions of creating the software pursuant to the order.

Tim in the interview clearly stated if they were able to extract the data without jeopardizing the data anyone else they would do it.
 
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Fbi is the real terrorist

Why is the FBI the real terrorist?
What were the San Bernadino shooters that they are investigating?
Happy Apple customers who knew their terror plan information would be safe on an iGizmo?
Wooooooooooo!
That's magical.
 
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Why doesn't the FBI assemble the worlds best hackers, pay for it and crack it themselves?

Start with the participants in the official hacker meetings.
Red Hat, Back Hat , Grey Hat etc.etc.
 
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