Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'I Will Fight Until My Toes Point Up' for DACA

[PickUrPoison]

you have no responses to any of my talking points, most of which I got from the social justice warriors and all you do is strawman attack me. At least admit defeat and lose with grace.

There’s no point in arguing with someone spouting racist talking points. I’m not all that interested in your anti-SJW immorality signaling, and it’s a waste of time because racist BS isn’t allowed here and your comments will be deleted.

8 Chan is a better place for that, you can get all the echo chamber reinforcement you need among your fellow travelers there.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

There’s no point in arguing with someone spouting racist talking points.

1. All my talking points are from the perspective of a white male in a diverse America. Reality of becoming a minority.

2. You haven't proven racism exists or that there is anything wrong with being a racist. Racism is just a social construct designed to marginalize whites. When you're going to whites in

A. America and calling them racist and telling them the only way they can "cure" their racism is by becoming a minority an being ruled by hispanics

B. or going to Ireland and calling them racist and telling them they need to become a minority and be ruled by Africans

C. Going to Germany and telling the Germans they are racist and they need to be ruled by Syrians and Turks

... at a certain point, you gotta admit that your racism construct is just open borders and you're fighting to make whites in all their nations minorities and be ruled by foreigners. Racism is really a mid 20th Century USA construct, it doesn't work in a 21st century globalized environment.

 

[PickUrPoison]

1. All my talking points are from the perspective of a white male in a diverse America. Reality of becoming a minority.

2. You haven't proven racism exists or that there is anything wrong with being a racist. Racism is just a social construct designed to marginalize whites. When you're going to whites in

A. America and calling them racist and telling them the only way they can "cure" their racism is by becoming a minority an being ruled by hispanics

B. or going to Ireland and calling them racist and telling them they need to become a minority and be ruled by Africans

C. Going to Germany and telling the Germans they are racist and they need to be ruled by Syrians and Turks

... at a certain point, you gotta admit that your racism construct is just open borders and you're fighting to make whites in all their nations minorities and be ruled by foreigners. Racism is really a mid 20th Century USA construct, it doesn't work in a 21st century globalized environment.

So you’re a white male terrified at the thought of losing his white privilege. Got it.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

So you’re a white male terrified at the thought of losing his white privilege. Got it.

So you admit that? The point of immigration is to make me a minority and put in diversity quotas to purge me from positions of leadership and economic status and force me to pay reparation i.e. dismantle my white privilege. To turn USA into South Africa. And when you're talking about making people a minority and seizing their wealth... just admit that you hate white people and you want whites to suffer because that's the goal of your policies

FYI white privilege is just majority privilege. It's like going to China and asking why the Chinese are disproportionately wealthy. Because it's their country.

And where is "white privilege" in the US cons. Would FDR tell me to not fear losing wp? You cannot even keep your narrative straight. You are advocating policies that Americans even 20 yrs ago would think are insane.

 

[PickUrPoison]

So you admit that? The point of immigration is to make me a minority and put in diversity quotas to purge me from positions of leadership and economic status and force me to pay reparation i.e. dismantle my white privilege. To turn USA into South Africa. And when you're talking about making people a minority and seizing their wealth... just admit that you hate white people and you want whites to suffer because that's the goal of your policies

FYI white privilege is just majority privilege. It's like going to China and asking why the Chinese are disproportionately wealthy. Because it's their country.

And where is "white privilege" in the US cons. Would FDR tell me to not fear losing wp? You cannot even keep your narrative straight. You are advocating policies that Americans even 20 yrs ago would think are insane.

I don’t have a narrative and I’m not advocating any policies. I’m just calling you on your racist BS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Expos of 1969]

Incredibly selfish and typical uncaring response there. Tim is not responsible for delivering software. Not too sure that many CEO's of highly successful companies are responsible for delivering software. They have a thousand other things to do.
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Of course he is. The buck stops with the CEO. He has responsibility for everything Apple does.

 

[wolfaaron]

I’ve met a handful of DACA people throughout my life and all of them have been really intelligent and friendly. The first place I’ve met a DACA person was in high school because they were celebrating it in a Spanish club. And then in college when we were working with the university to find jobs. And then in the workforce. I’ve worked in factories, offices, hospitals, and tech companies in the last decade and I’ve seen them everywhere. For a small minority they do manage to get themselves into very highly educated positions.

I hope that the government is listening. Most of us want them to stay and keep contributing.

 

[chfilm]

He says stuff like this and it comes off so genuine.

But then like 2 days ago, he stands next to a man that is completely at odds with all of his supposedly important core beliefs.

I get the argument that one side is personal and the other is business. But TO ME, it makes his statements in the article seem hollow.

I understand where your frustration comes from, but I think he’s actually behaving in the only smart way there is to deal with the orange, which is to rub his belly and please his ego to win his ear at least for a while. Otherwise he would cut himself off his access.

 

[makitango]

Steve made all sorts of bad decisions, created terrible services and some bad products, and people still remember him. Tim Cook will be remembered long after he dies, as most famous people are. Tim has done far more to better the world we all live in than Steve ever did.

Of all the bad things he‘s done, he still showed a big fat middlefinger to those Chinese reps who wanted Steve to backpedal on privacy for Chinese users. At least he didn‘t give them false information about privacy.
What‘s going on over there is disgusting to say it politely, anyone who joins in with these folks should watch into the mirror come evening.

 

[ScottishDuck]

So this thread seems to have a good mix of whataboutism and white nationalism. How nice.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

So this thread seems to have a good mix of whataboutism and white nationalism. How nice.

I prefer white minority special internet.... or white liberation front. Look at Iraq, all diverse nations result in fighting between groups. Same situation is occurring UK too.

 

[Lesser Evets]

His toes point up at the thought of those sex-trafficed kids coming in with non-family members ready to sell the children off to high bidders.

 

[weup togo]

Sh

How strange to think one can only care passionately about one thing.

But here’s a question: if Cook spends 60-80 hours a week on Apple, but just 2 on “social activism”, which is he most passionate about?

I don’t think you’ve really thought this through very well.

Show me a shred of evidence that this beancounter spends two hours a week passionately advocating for product quality.

 

[LizKat]

I'm not opposed to DACA because I really don't know what the right answer is.

But I do get confused about saying DACA specifically is what you believe in until your toes turn up when it's not a general guiding principle for how we treat immigrants or even asylum seekers but applies to a very specific group of people. You had to have come to the age 16 and under and the year 2007 or earlier. I'm not saying those people don't deserve legal status. I just try to put my self in the shoes of someone who has very similar circumstances but doesn't meet those qualifications. And then try to understand why someone says they would fight for this particular legislation to the death. What is the answer for everyone else? I wrote to Obama (whom I voted for twice) when they were deporting immigrants (many refugees) back to Central America. Some of them though that DACA applied to them, which it didn't.

I don't know the answer; I really don't.

I think once the US makes a promise to people as it did with DACA, it must uphold that promise. But it's so specific, and maybe there is something I don't know about it, but it seems somewhat arbitrary in who counts and who doesn't.

Part of it I believe is that at the time a lot of people including CEOs and pols and ordinary Americans and ordinary immigrant laborers (undocumented or otherwise) thought the USA was a lot closer to passing some broad immigration reforms than it turned out was the case. Hoping we can set aside all the rancor in the decade ahead and get that done. Way too much wink and nod -- and kicking visa exceptions down the road and etc., etc., has been going on in the meantime. CEOs are forced to be pragmatists and should have a seat at the table when immigration reform comes up again. They know for instance that if reforms are put in place and enforced, then there will be a time when wage costs and revenues will be out of sync and some temporary subsidies to retailers will probably have to be deployed to keep whole subsegments of retail from just going out of business... supermarkets, for example. And CEOs are better at explaining that stuff to people than pols are, for sure.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Sh

Show me a shred of evidence that this beancounter spends two hours a week passionately advocating for product quality.

Show me one shred of evidence he spends more than two hours a week on “social activism”. A fifteen minute interview every couple months isn’t going to get you there.

 

[Andronicus]

“No matter who is in office I will bow to them for tax breaks”

 

[Feyl]

OMG another article with him talking about the same topic as always. It’s like me saying I like beer everytime I go to the same pub.

 

[burgman]

Business and individuals loved silent illegal immigration for decades as a source of low cost labor with no social contract, A continuation of the plantation mentality. Now here we are.

 

[Macbookprodude]

I wish you'd fight as hard to ensure your company releases bug free operating system for your biggest money maker.

But yeah, fight your social justice battles, nobody's gonna remember you after you're done at Apple.

Cook has hurt Apple so much - 1st with the overpriced Mac Pro and the junk 16 inch MacBook pros which you can’t upgrade ! Missing Steve everyday !

 

[burgman]

Cook has hurt Apple so much - 1st with the overpriced Mac Pro and the junk 16 inch MacBook pros which you can’t upgrade ! Missing Steve everyday !

I’m sitting in a nice house on a hill overlooking the Pacific because of my 16 years of Apple stock purchases. Your tired rant is hilarious

 

[donlab]

Fighting to protect his company is what a CEO is expected to do. Carefully choosing to only fight social/political battles that don't financially impact your company to appear as righteous makes him an insufferable hypocrite.

He’s looking out for 450 in the company and wants to avoid a potential financial impact. Hypocrite how?
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Grant amnesty to children that are born here. Preferably to parents that have applied for temporary amnesty.

What am I missing here? If they’re born here they’re citizens.

 

[mikethemartian]

Sure he will.

 

[tallscot]

How many years does a person have to avoid the law before the law doesn’t apply to them? 2? 5? 10?
If my parents took us to Australia for vacation and then decided to not leave, breaking the law, how long would we have to avoid the authorities before Australia would say, “You know what? You’ve been here a while. You can stay”? Oh, well, Australia would deport us as soon as we were caught. If I said, “But it’s not my fault! My parents took me here!”, Australia would say, “So blame them, you go home now, mate.”
Finally, where is that compassion from Tim with the 1-2 million Muslims put into concentration camps in China recently? Or the fact that gay apps aren’t allowed on the App Store in countries like Indonesia? Huh, Tim? Anything to say about that? Nah. It’s all about money.

 

[1146331]

The only government this putz is willing to stand against is the one that doesn't murder its own citizens or supress free speech.

Meanwhile in China.......

Oh and don't give me that "They're just trying to live a better life." Every country has immigration laws. Without laws we are not a nation. Why should I follow our laws if these "illegal immigrants" don't? Legal immigrants follow our laws and nobody ever is bitching about them because there is no reason to: They followed our rules and immigrated here according to our laws.

Our useless congress could do something to solve the problem here but they don't, because it's too easy to use illegals as a voting platform every election.

 

[Macbookprodude]

I’m sitting in a nice house on a hill overlooking the Pacific because of my 16 years of Apple stock purchases. Your tired rant is hilarious

Thank you, but many would agree with me.