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So it’s true that the iPhone is is not not made in the United States?

In other words...

Not(Not(iPhone)) = made in United States
 
The more Tim gets into the public eye, the more I like his style and way of thinking and how Apple is now being managed.

Seriously?

I think he’s an embarrassment, a walking Steve Jobs soundboard who doesn’t believe in the very words he uses and who has taken Apple from relevant to boring.

If Steve’s Apple was built in his image, the same can be said of Cook; boring, bland, and unimaginative.
 
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Tim Cook is promoting a New World Order and open borders (only for the USA) this is why he doesn't know where the iPhone is made!

Doesn't Tim want open borders for Israel, Japan, Russia, China, North Korea etc ?

I never hear him mentioning open borders for these countries....

He actually just handed all iCloud users data to communist China and said it is a great thing !
 
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WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! I think TIM COOK IS Lying!

"we know that Apple could only have been created in the United States. We know that. This company would not have flourished in any other country in the world. We love this country. We are patriots. This is our country and we want to create as many jobs as we can in the U.S. We don't need any political pressure for that."

I thought Apple Ireland is where all the patents, innovation, and profits are made!!!!!! Is someone lying??

This guy claims he love the country, but yet Apple Operations International, Apple Distribution International, Apple Operations, and Apple Sales International (which handles sales of iphones and ipads) are all Irish operations! And ALL REVENUE and profits go here, and pay IRISH tax!

They want to give back to America, except when they actually have to give back..... then they run away!
 
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Tim should just tell the truth. If the iPhone is not manufactured in China everyone won't have the chance to buy it at the current price. Or it wouldn't have been commercially viable at all. Just don't play with politics. Make the products in the best way you can, Tim.
 
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He does have a point. The assembly is what people focus the most on. But when you look at the scale and economics of manufacturing in emerging markets, you simply can't avoid them and still have your products sell at reasonable prices.

If countries start creating protectionist policies to force companies to manufacture locally, then you'll just see that increased cost passed on to the consumer. But the company won't absorb those higher costs.
But it's not only about cost. Its about time. In China, to can have 1000s ready to assemble a new device within weeks. The US doesn't have that many qualified workers in any single state. It would take 4 to 6 months just to get ready for production.
 
But it's not only about cost. Its about time. In China, to can have 1000s ready to assemble a new device within weeks. The US doesn't have that many qualified workers in any single state. It would take 4 to 6 months just to get ready for production.

Uh, the qualifications for being an iPhone assembly worker are as follows: have a pulse. Most people working in Chinese factories are semi-literate rice farmers from the boonies. The reason why iPhone isn’t built in the US is because China’s cost of living is far lower so $2 per hour is considered a living wage.
 
Getting super tired of the half truths in the world today. Yeah sure some parts are made here, but most aren't. And y'all route your income through Ireland too so why's that? You wanna claim to be all SUPER USA, then bring your income home and pay your got dang taxes. And don't ask schools to pay $300 for ipads when they can't afford heat or to feed the kids. (because there isn't enough tax money for them)

None of Apples income in the US is routed through Ireland. Only non-US income.
And for every dollar Apple pays in taxes outside the US, is one less dollar they have to pay in the US.
 
Yeah, Cook the hypocrite, should be his full name, just like any other CEO, no matter what BS falls out of his mouth, it’s all aimed to increase sales, profits and shares before ANYTHING else, but shamefully some on here will aggressively defend that.
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So in other words Tim Cook is claiming Americans are incapable of and lack the intelligence to or skills to assemble their devices, and the Chinese do... so not only is he stupidly hypocritical, and full of it when everyone know it’s all about lower costs and profits, he also insults Americans.

What an impressive comment he’s made there...

He did not say anything about intelligence. But there is probably a lack of these kinds of skills and certainly in the quantity that Apple needs in one location. There is very little mass manufacturing skills left in the US.
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WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! I think TIM COOK IS Lying!

"we know that Apple could only have been created in the United States. We know that. This company would not have flourished in any other country in the world. We love this country. We are patriots. This is our country and we want to create as many jobs as we can in the U.S. We don't need any political pressure for that."

I thought Apple Ireland is where all the patents, innovation, and profits are made!!!!!! Is someone lying??

This guy claims he love the country, but yet Apple Operations International, Apple Distribution International, Apple Operations, and Apple Sales International (which handles sales of iphones and ipads) are all Irish operations! And ALL REVENUE and profits go here, and pay IRISH tax!

They want to give back to America, except when they actually have to give back..... then they run away!

Only non-US sales have gone through Ireland. All the sales in the US goes through a US company and are taxed normally in the US, which makes Apple the largest federal tax payer in the US.

Also, for every dollar of tax Apple pays outside the US, means one more dollar less in federal tax.
 
Tim should just tell the truth. If the iPhone is not manufactured in China everyone won't have the chance to buy it at the current price. Or it wouldn't have been commercially viable at all. Just don't play with politics. Make the products in the best way you can, Tim.

50% major components of the iPhone are actually made in the US.
 
28 Nations giving up their autonomy to feed a hungry beast in Brussels is always mind boggling to me. ;)
And they still don't have freedom of speech... It's been like 242 years.
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Since we are only talking about Federal corporate taxes, that's not correct. The effective Federal tax rate on individuals is mostly below that.
IDK, I was assuming total average effective rate. He didn't mention Federal, unless that's what he meant by "US." If that's Federal only, yes, it's more than for individuals.
 
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He did not say anything about intelligence. But there is probably a lack of these kinds of skills and certainly in the quantity that Apple needs in one location. There is very little mass manufacturing skills left in the US.
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Only non-US sales have gone through Ireland. All the sales in the US goes through a US company and are taxed normally in the US, which makes Apple the largest federal tax payer in the US.

Also, for every dollar of tax Apple pays outside the US, means one more dollar less in federal tax.


no.. you are incorrect..... It's FAR FAR FAR more complicated than that.

For example, one mechanisms (they use many) Apple uses, like most tech companies transfer their trade marks, patents, and IP to shell companies in tax havens, allowing them to create structure that is extremely advantageous to them though licensing. This is the most known method that silicon valley and other entities use. You aren't an international tax expert that's for sure (neither am I to be honest).

What I do know is that these structures are extremely complex, far more complex and if you ever try and deal with these tax specialists, be prepared to spend 700-1500 an hour.
 
I really hate the fact that Timmy Cook can't help himself by polarizing people and getting all political.

What he needs to do is shut up and just build new stuff, we've all been waiting for years for really good product.
But obviously he's incapable of that. Instead he just takes his cash and does nothing. And he's so much better than all of us, talking from his glass house. We're all so stupid buying his outdated crap.

Maybe we can all pool our money, buy a whole bunch of shares of AAPL and force him out.
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A model of inefficiency if you ask anyone who loves the environment. A model of exploiting the cheapest labor if you watch the many videos.
The simple truth is that everything you are doing now, typing on a computer, being able to call someone on a cell phone etc.. has come from activities that destroy the environment in some form or fashion.

That process has been going on for hundreds of years. Our current technology and civilisation is built off it.
I agree we should limit the damage where we can but we can’t enjoy this level of life and at the same time be disgusted by the process that brought us here without owning a huge level of hypocrisy.
 
Because they are an American company. It’s a matter of pride that everything be done in America.

Well I hope the iPhone stays manufactured where it is then. Cause American cars (made in America) are known to be the worst quality cars in the world. The assembly quality is basically **** on American made cars. Even on Tesla’s. No thanks!
 
Yikes! Even IF the parts are indeed made in the USA, they are then being shipped to China on a boat, which is polluting the environment to be assembled. The assembled phones are then shipped back to the USA on a boat, which again is polluting the environment.

So, yes it being assembled in another country is just as big of a deal as if the parts were made in another country. Now, if the USA is the only place the parts can be manufactured, then make them here and ship them to the countries where the phones will be sold to be assembled. In other words, assemble phones in the USA that are going to be sold in the USA, assemble phones that are going to be sold in China in China, assemble phones that are going to be sold in Canada in Canada, etc. Doing this will help spur the local economy of each of these countries, which means Apple could end up selling more phones there.
Simply follow the money - corporations find the cheapest labor, the cheapest raw resources, and use them. Not rocket science, but it is misleading to cloak it in some sort of patriotic ilk, or conversely, a global gift.
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If you don't want to work in certain conditions or you want to make more than what is being offered, seek out additional education, skills, and ultimately a different job.
That's right - if you don't like living in a poor third world country, just "seek out" additional education (where's the money and wherewithal for that?), get some more skills (after you get off your 16 hour per day low paying job), and ultimately just "get a different job." That's right. The only reason we aren't all zillionaires is that we forgot to "get additional education and skills" and "ultimately get that zillionaire job." OMG. I've seen the light. Thanks for this sage answer to the meaning of life.
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The point is that the majority of the labor to build an iPhone is performed in the US.
No, it is not:

https://www.engadget.com/2012/01/22/why-apples-products-are-designed-in-california-but-assembled/
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Wow, what a load of immature cluelessness. It's a fact that there isn't a pool of Americans who are already trained in the precision work needed to make advanced electronics. Cook never said Americans couldn't do the work. He said the pool of ALREADY TRAINED people don't exist in America. It would take years to create that pool so why don't you turn your anger towards companies like FoxConn because THAT'S the company that needs to create that pool of American workers skilled in that specific kind of manufacturing. I'm not defending what Cook said because I'm an Apple fan. It's because I'm old enough to know how business works and that your statement was nonsense.
It's not that Americans can't do the work. It's that they don't want to do the work for dirt poor wages. It's the same reason most agricultural workers are migrants, many illegal, making barely, if even, minimum wage. Most people aren't willing to do back breaking work for low pay. The median wage for ag workers in 2016 was $22540/year, and the reason most of them are hispanic migrants has nothing to do with their skill sets.
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What on earth does that mean in this age???
If it's an "American company, it means that the high paid executives are officially U.S. citizens.
 
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Actually that's true.

"Designed by Apple is California.. Assembled in China"

Just most of our products are anyway.

Kinda begs the question then what is the hype supporting the Mac Pro being U.S made.

I just looked at the back of my iPhone 6S Plus
 
It's an AMERICAN COMPANY.

For cripes sakes. SMH.
It's a multinational, HQ'd in the US - as is just about every large company nowadays. Yes you can say it's "American" as it has its HQ and board and executive based in the US, but it's a fact that a majority of it's operations happen overseas and that's not changing, at least without serious detriment to the company, its sales and operations and ultimately revenues and profits. Often investing in R&D or manufacturing in an overseas country is a good way to get on good terms with the government to ensure your products get a good showing in said country - again that's just how things work now. If Apple were to rebase everything back to the US they would likely find a lot of countries would suddenly become less enthusiastic about having their products on sale, and a domestic or other alternative (say Samsung) would probably spring up to occupy the void. They might also find that any sweetheart tax arrangements suddenly come under more intense scrutiny and are cancelled... It's a you scratch our back and we'll scratch yours set up of sorts.
 
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If the phone cost that much more, I wouldn’t buy it. Apple would have to actually compete for my business and not rely on cheap exploited foreign labor to artificially lower the price of their products. Apple has the ability to manufacture in the States with a solid profit margin... but it’s not enough for Tim... the moral arbiter who’s ok with being on a high horse about this.

I make more of an effort than you do I’m sure.

I agree that all American companies who manufacture in China shouldn’t.

I support bringing all of that manufacturing here to the USA. That’s right. All of it. Bring the workers too if they want to come under Visas. Pay them American wages. Give them American worker protections and benefits. Have them pay US taxes.

We’re talking about Apple and I’m calling them out for virtue signaling.
Exactly! That is the real global solution to slave labor manufacturing. If you pay folks living wages to make product, the price of the product will tend to rise and sales will tend to decline until overall wages rise to meet product price. Henry Ford figured that out when he started manufacturing the Model T using fair wage labor. Those sales will only rise when competing companies improve their products and production costs without resorting to rotten pay for their workers. Top executives in 2017 made 271 times the median wage of their employees. Let's whittle that down a bit as a start to being competitive.
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Being so far removed from manufacturing, it looks like most Americans no longer understand what goes into sophisticated manufacturing.
  • Metals Tooling Engineer
  • Supply Quality Engineer
  • Advanced Manufacturing Engineer
  • Coating Engineer...
  • and hundreds more jobs can be found on the Apple China site:
https://jobs.apple.com/us/search?jobFunction=MTLMF#location&t=0&sb=req_open_dt&so=1&lo=0*CHN&pN=0

This is just Apple where they have outsourced manufacturing to China. Foxconn, Pegatron, Wistron, Wingtech, Wind, Huaqin, are all electronic engineering firms that design and manufacture smartphones in China.

Companies like Huawei manufacture phones using nearly 100% Chinese domestic chips.




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This doesn't mention compensation for the various job descriptions - I'll bet it's crap. There are plenty of American engineers and technicians with the skills listed above, but they don't want to work for 10 bucks an hour.
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iPhone is as American as apple pie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_apple_production
 
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I don't get it, how does assembling different components all over the world and shipping them back and forth is cheaper?
Don't they factor in manufacturing costs+shipping time?
 
I don't get it, how does assembling different components all over the world and shipping them back and forth is cheaper?
Don't they factor in manufacturing costs+shipping time?

Discounted shipping in bulk ? *shrugs*

Exactly! That is the real global solution to slave labor manufacturing.

You trying to put Chinese workers out of business... The products are should be made and assembled in the same place? Lots of reason why their not:

- Cheaper in overseas.
- Apple would say a load of money by not assembling it in US. Look how cheap a Chinese worker gets paid compared to U.S or many more hours.
- probably infrastructure as well
 
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