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"Music inspires, it motivates. It's also the thing at night that helps quiet me. I think it's better than any medicine," said. Timé Jobs

Tim Jobs's playlist:
"We're in the Money": The Gold Diggers'
"Money": Pink Floyd
"Money changes everything": Cindi Laupner
"She Works Hard for the Money," Donna Summer
"Money for Nothing," Dire Straits
"Money, Money, Money"—ABBA
"Opportunities (Let’s Make Lots of Money)"—Pet Shop Boys
"Money (That's What I Want)" by Barrett Strong
"It's Money That I Love" by Randy Newman
"Money Honey" by The Drifters
 
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I might be getting home Internet soon and I know the first thing I will be doing is signing into Spotify. Sorry Tim, but your argument just sounds so fake. Its like everything he talks about these days comes out sounding fake. Its one of the things I liked about Steve, he might have sounded terse sometimes, but at least you know he meant it.

This goody two shoes act needs stop. Slip F-bomb every now and then, geez.
 
I use Apple Music before I don’t really have a choice. Using it over Nluetooth is the only way to get music I can control on my rubbish Ford Sync system.
My next car I’ll ensure has CarPlay and a much better system, and I’ll look at Spotify then as I tested both but Spotify has a nicer interface.

I’m not loyal to either though no matter how Cook advertises and sells it, which is ALL this article is about.
Also a BIG plus to Spotify is the fact it does NOT show tracks you cannot play! Which is what Apple Music does.. it seems so utterly amateur and lazy, you can’t play the tracks in your country for what ever reason DON’T SHOW THEM.
 


"We're not in it for the money," Cook told Fast Company.

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That quote is beyond ridiculous...!!

If you are not in it for the money, why do you pay for streaming music less than child labor rates??

Apple since the begining of digital era, completely destroyed the music business and their artists buy paying them barely nothing. He made quite a lot of money from music revenues out of starving artists...

Aren't you proud Cook??
 
Tried Spotify a whiles backs and it was meh. Revolutionary at the time but it quickly became frustrating to use. How the hell do you not incorporate the persons own library within the app if you’re whole company revolves around music?
 
I have always preferred to have my own copies of the songs I listen to. By uploading my own CD collection and purchasing directly from iTunes, I now have over 10,000 songs in my library. I was hesitant to join the streaming movement at first. When I finally came around to the idea, most of my friends were using Spotify so I checked it out. Plus I couldn't pass up the $4.99 + Hulu student discount. I found the user interface easy to navigate and visually appealing. I'm not sure how their algorithm works, but it has not disappointed me once since I started using it. I have discovered so many new artists and songs because of Spotify.

I'm sure Apple Music is just as good in that regard. The only thing keeping me from trying it out is the app itself. I personally find it to be a mess. It's difficult to navigate and visually unappealing. I don't even use it to access my personal music library anymore. I got so frustrated with it that I looked for alternatives on the app store. I came across Cesium. There are some issues and bugs with the app, but for me, they are way more bearable than the Apple Music app. The guy who develops Cesium is great. He reads the reviews, responds to support emails, and listens to the requests from his users. If any of you are looking for a better way to access your personal music library on your iPhone, I highly recommend Cesium.
 
my next door neighbor has a gibson les paul, fender stratocastor, acoustic bass guitar, other signed guitars (who is fredie van haven anywho?) 64 sound track recording studio, miks galore, bongos and a kazoo, they subscribes to spotify.
and a large attack dog, security alarm system with spotlights in the 40 watt range
 
The algorithms in Spotify are better than Apple Music IMO. I don't give a crap about your personalized teams of people. I want to easily follow artists, get the new releases of those artists and receive some of the best recommendations for new music based on artists I follow. Apple Music misses the mark on these things. It isn't as flexible either.
Wait.

I thought you could "follow" Artists in AM.
 
OT - the humanity has been taken out of music since the use of the first drum machine. Many popular artists today couldn't play an instrument or sing in tune without augmentation if their lives depended on it.
 
Neither Apple or Spotify make music.

They sell it. So it's comical to hear them talk about it like they are holding the guitar. Neither will determine what I listen to. If you don't already know what you want to hear, then it probably doesn't matter which bot you get it from.
 
I would actually like to use that feature to find more music that I like but unfortunately I always get the same recommendations. It‘s either music I already listen to or Hip-Hop/Rap which I hate. Disliking doesn‘t help either. I‘ve already deleted the handful Hip-Hop/Rap songs that were in my library, disliked every single Hip-Hop/Rap playlist and „Essential“ album and redid the „Choose Artists for You“ several times. Their Algorithms are just crap. They should work on them instead of saying "We worry about the humanity being drained out of music, about it becoming a bits-and-bytes kind of world instead of the art and craft.".


"They" are giving you hip hop for a deliberate reason. All the music services do. Of course the reason cannot be mentioned here.
 
“I would listen to more country music if i knew what country they were singing about”
My dad, 2005

"We don't run
We don't compromise
We don't quit
We never do
We look for love
We find it in the eyes
The eyes of me
And the eyes of you"
-- Willie Nelson

"I believe that every heart is kind
Some of them are just a little underused
Hatred is a symptom of the times
Lost in these uneducated blues

I just want to love you while I can
All these other thoughts have me confused
I don't need to try and understand
Maybe the I'll turn off the f****n' news

Turn off the news and build a garden
Just my neighborhood and me
We might feel a bit less hardened
We might feel a bit more free

Turn off the news and raise the kids
Give them somethin' to believe in
Teach them now to be good people
Give them hope that they can see
Hope that they can see
Turn off the news and build a garden with me

Trust builds trust
And all that negativity's a bust
Trust builds trust
Don't you wanna be happy?

Turn off the news and build a garden
Just my neighborhood and me
We might feel a bit less hardened
We might feel a bit more free

Turn off the news and raise the kids
Give them somethin' to believe in
Teach them now to be good people
Give them hope that they can see
Hope that they can see
Turn off the news and build a garden with me"
-- Lukas Nelson

[youtube]SX8ha9x38Jk[/youtube] (first song in the set)
 
Sounds a bit too pompous. Lighten up, Timmy, you're a multi-millionaire and most others are not - we'll take that a bit too self-servingly.
Would you prefer a more typical Silicon Valley response like "Break stuff and try to fix it fast" or "Don't worry, AI is the future of everything"?

He might be talking mostly marketing spin but it's refreshing to see someone in tech promoting the value of humanity in multiple ways.
 
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Bullhonkey.

When a computer notices that I enjoy one type of music, and infers from the behavior of other users that I will like another type of music, that isn't a loss of humanity. That's humanity enhanced. It's music democratized.

Contrast that with a D.J., interested in playing the sort of music they enjoy. Or are paid to play. Or think they should play, based on what is fashionable e.g. for sale. Far from being humane, this is the corporatization of music. It does not respect me or my tastes, but expects me to listen to what a handful of tastemakers think is interesting.

I have never liked a record because of the way the artist posts on Instagram. Spotify knows this. Apple Music doesn't.

Well nuts to that. Thank heavens for Spotify Weekly and its accurate model of my odd tastes, connecting me with surprising new music every week because of other peoples' odd tastes. This is just one of the reasons Spotify is a vastly superior product to Apple Music; others include the fact that it is much faster, the interface is much better, the sharing tools work with Android, the free tier means even my beat-ass friends can enjoy it and the family plan is quite fairly priced. It also doesn't try to advertise itself to me EVERY TIME I OPEN THE MUSIC APP TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC THAT I PAID FOR.
 
This is exactly why I'm still not an Apple Music subscriber. I enjoy owning all the music I can listen to and not having a never ending subscription or a spotty internet connection holding my music hostage.

I get the convenience of having such a vast (though nowhere near comprehensive) music library at your fingertips, but the streaming/subscription model has partly, what I feel, taken the personal/curated/human quality out of listening to music.

And just like all these other cloud-based subscription services where you never actually "own" anything, as soon as you have no/poor internet, you have nothing; as soon as you stop paying for the tether, you have nothing.

That's not to mention, once you hand over the keys to Apple Music, what you can and can't listen to (through the service) is now completely at Apple's and the music labels' discretion. No thank you.
You realize that you don't own anything if you purchase the MP3 or even the CD or album, right? In the case of physical media, you only own the plastic or vinyl that the music lives on. You never own the music itself. You can make copies but you can also make copies of purchased MP3s too so long as they do not have any DRM. If they do have DRM, it means they are in the cloud and available anywhere in the world at anytime so the need to make a copy of those tracks are pointless.

I do not like the fact that some older albums have been re-recorded or remastered so that the artists can make more royalties than their original record contract. I have no problem with the artists re-releasing material to profit further but when Siri or Apple Music can only find the new version, that is a problem for some people, especially those old enough to know better.

But as far as convenience and choice, Apple Music always beats any local storage solution for most people.
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Bullhonkey.

When a computer notices that I enjoy one type of music, and infers from the behavior of other users that I will like another type of music, that isn't a loss of humanity. That's humanity enhanced. It's music democratized.

Contrast that with a D.J., interested in playing the sort of music they enjoy. Or are paid to play. Or think they should play, based on what is fashionable e.g. for sale. Far from being humane, this is the corporatization of music. It does not respect me or my tastes, but expects me to listen to what a handful of tastemakers think is interesting.

I have never liked a record because of the way the artist posts on Instagram. Spotify knows this. Apple Music doesn't.

Well nuts to that. Thank heavens for Spotify Weekly and its accurate model of my odd tastes, connecting me with surprising new music every week because of other peoples' odd tastes. This is just one of the reasons Spotify is a vastly superior product to Apple Music; others include the fact that it is much faster, the interface is much better, the sharing tools work with Android, the free tier means even my beat-ass friends can enjoy it and the family plan is quite fairly priced. It also doesn't try to advertise itself to me EVERY TIME I OPEN THE MUSIC APP TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC THAT I PAID FOR.
You have it backwards. Algorithms are still primitive and cannot possibly measure our experience or enjoyment of a track or any part of any album. DJs (the good ones at least) can read the room and adjust to it based on the feedback from real people in real time. Once wearable sensors become more powerful and commonplace, we will see real advances in AI music selection. Right now it's just dumb algorithms that are mostly based on what the record labels are pushing anyway.
 
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