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Apple CEO Tim Cook on Hate Speech: 'You Have No Place on Our Platform'
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It is exactly this thinking that is so flawed with Tim Cook's comments. Your blanket & careless observation is very insulting to most, same reason it did not work for Hilary. You are basically saying anyone who does not follow the leader is clearly a terrible person. I still cannot believe she was stupid enough to say that in public.
In the good old days being a "rebel", "thinking different", was another way of pushing the envelope. Talking about freedom, asking questions, pushing back against authority. THESE USED TO BE GOOD THINGS. Nope now we are deplorable. Who knew I was "deserving strong condemnation; completely unacceptable" for these thoughts?
Where do you want society in 50 years? Following the leaders blindly like good little slaves, or living our lives with a healthy dose of skepticism. I prefer the latter.
Please give my comment some serious thought, you obviously need it.
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It's also not about lowering the gun crime rate, and no, none of those countries have removed guns entirely. Especially when 3D gun printing goes mainstream.
They also have lower crime rates in general, so it's not a good comparison. I could name plenty of countries where guns are illegal and the gun crime rate is higher.
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Also, apparently the Taliban are also not welcomed on their platform: https://toucharcade.com/2018/12/05/apple-removes-afghanistan-11-by-slitherine-from-the-app-store/
Hmm... Apple is going to start losing profit if they ban iTunes music with messages of hate and violence in it.
Just because I celebrate the right of free speech doesn’t mean each individual instance of speech is praiseworthy.
A lot of people seem to have convinced themselves that trolling makes them free speech warriors. (Not necessarily including you in that category)
No, not developed countries, unless you count Brazil. Every country with a higher murder rate than the US is considered undeveloped, and there aren't good stats on other crimes. Anyway, point was just to say that stat doesn't matter by itself.
There's no argument to make from the stats really. If you look within the US, the gun murder rate and the overall murder rate are correlated (makes sense since those choosing to kill someone will use a gun), and those two are generally inverse of gun ownership (because more people own guns in rural areas).
In countries where guns are banned, yes fewer people choose to use them as weapons, but it doesn't really stop anyone since other weapons are always available. The US is also very sparse and diverse, and people in rural areas really can't rely on police to keep them safe. So people elsewhere, who usually have never even fired a gun, might want them banned, but thankfully the Bill of Rights forbids it.
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Well this provides three good examples.
1. There is plenty of research being conducted into the differences between male and female brains. This is not a sociological thing, so there's really nothing for researches to be afraid of. You can't disagree with an MRI scan. As a PC loving leftist, we need more of this research as it does a pretty good job disproving the transphobic nonsense that often comes from the right.
2. If you're trying to disprove something that is already proven with overwhelming evidence, you're kind of wasting your time. So I don't really care if climate change deniers are too scared to deny climate change. Focus your energy on something useful instead.
3. They kind of disprove their own point that scientists are afraid to research how mental illness contributes to homelessness, by immediately citing research into how mental illness contributes to homelessness.
So basically only the first point seems like a really valid criticism, but I'm aware of many recent studies into that exact topic, and have never encountered any kind of backlash against them rooted in a notion of political correctness, so I think the burden of proof has yet to be fulfilled on that one.
The irony of there being a thread about hate speech and censorship, and my getting banned for 5 days for posting a simple pic of Trump saying word "Wrong" as the caption, in response to someone making a snide comment to me... priceless...
This is the problem with hate speech. There is no such thing. There is no real definition. It's whatever the person wants it to be, and it will be different things to different things to different people, and change over time, etc...
What hate speech is, is an arbitrary label. It's is a means to slap a label on something you don't like, so that you can "justify" banning the person, or silencing them. More comments, but I will make a dedicated thread to discuss censorship in general...
This is the problem with hate speech. There is no such thing. There is no real definition. It's whatever the person wants it to be, and it will be different things to different things to different people, and change over time, etc...
What hate speech is, is an arbitrary label. It's is a means to slap a label on something you don't like, so that you can "justify" banning the person, or silencing them. More comments, but I will make a dedicated thread to discuss censorship in general...
So what? You got banned for 5 days. It’s a private forum and they enforce their own rules. Hate is to them what they think it is. What damage was done to you?
I was banned from the pfSense forum forever for asking pfSense to prove their claims for the performance of the Netgate appliances that they made with real benchmarks. They got pissed and banned me forever, probably for “trolling”. Guess what? They had full rights to do it even though it was not fair. Life is not fair. Adults learn it early in their lives and adjust accordingly.
The First Amendment applies only to public domains. It doesn’t apply in this situation.
I can tell my child that he will be punished severely for expressing himself in a profane language. Is this a violation of his right to free speech? You bet it is. Not only will he be punished, but he also may be spanked. The First Amendment doesn’t apply in my household. Neither does the Second, Fourth or Fifth Amendments. In fact, the US constitution has no jurisdiction over my household. The moment the government tells me that I have to comply with the Bill of Rights inside of my household, I will pack up and leave this country FOREVER.
By the same token, no Nazi or Communist ideology will ever be allowed in my household. The US Govermment allows Nazis to march in public venues. This will never be allowed in my private domain. I consider it hate speech, and it will not be tolerated.
I consider LGBTQ propaganda to be detrimental to my child, and none of it will be allowed either. I couldn’t care less that the US government considers that to be unconstitutional.
The beautiful part about it is that there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
The Constitution guarantees that I don’t have to comply with the constitution in the privacy of my home.
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Nobody is talking about the legality of censoring on social media or even this site.
It's not a legal matter, but rather an ethical one.
I daresay that if Conservatives ran the bulk of the media, and Twitter and FB and Apple and even this forum, and they treated Liberals and liberal arguments the way that Conservatives are currently treated, you would be outraged.
It doesn't anger you now, because it is your side that is doing it. You aren't the target and so you don't see it as a problem... It's easy to be cavalier about censorship when it doesn't affect you personally.
The second it does, I guarantee you will all change your tune.
It's not a legal matter, but rather an ethical one.
I daresay that if Conservatives ran the bulk of the media, and Twitter and FB and Apple and even this forum, and they treated Liberals and liberal arguments the way that Conservatives are currently treated, you would be outraged.
It doesn't anger you now, because it is your side that is doing it. You aren't the target and so you don't see it as a problem... It's easy to be cavalier about censorship when it doesn't affect you personally.
The second it does, I guarantee you will all change your tune.
Already happened to my niece. First came out of the closet and is now in the trans land. Parents are devastated. Her lesbian GF is leaving her, saying her mental state is deteriorating quickly. My sister wishes she had moved to Alabama to raise her daughter in a sane environment instead of raising her in the liberal loonie land on the West Coast.
This is what happens when the First Amendment is not blocked in a private home. My sister, being a liberal, now believes it was the environment that made her daughter hate her body and want to become a man. The trans movement is now at the levels of an epidemic on the West Coast among the teenage girls. The cut off their body parts and take hormones to grow facial hair. It’s awful what’s happening. One wouldn’t believe this is happening until it happens to one’s Family. The media doesn’t want to touch this topic with a ten-foot pole, as covering this immediately lands you among bigots by the LGBTQ mafia. Incidentally, Medicaid pays for trans surgeries and treatment as long as the person claims he/she can’t afford it in most of US states. Doctors prescribe the procedures after the first visit and first claim that the person (even underaged one) feels that he/she is a trans. I found out all of this just in the past two months. Before that, no one had any idea this was happening.
The situation is similar in the UK and most of the EU countries. Girls are destroying their bodies before they reach 18, and while their minds are completely confused about their identities. The Internet is replete with reports by trans about how horrified they are about what they did to their bodies a decade after they transitioned.
So, all of this insanity stays banned in my family.
Trying to treat a mental condition, with a scalpel... and we wonder why so many are miserable afterwards?
Is calling victims of school shootings “crisis actors” a conservative point of view?
I don’t know. Is every time there is a mass shooting, blaming the nra despite none of the shooters being nra members, a liberal point of view?
It’s totally a mental illness. As my sister has discovered, there are billions of dollars in this for doctors. They get paid by the big pharma and by Medicaid for the unnecessary procedures. Only few can resist the temptation not to pander to the trans Lobby. The American Pediatric Association now endorsed trans procedures for underaged girls and boys. There’s just too much money in this.
My personal view is that the First and the Second Amendments will destroy this country. The former being defended mostly by Liberals, while the latter being defended almost exclusively by Conservatives. Both are the extreme poison in my view.
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There are many people that would call that statement, hate speech. Despite nothing you said being wrong, hateful or mean... the mere fact that it doesn’t agree with their view, makes it hate speech. And if they control the platform, then can silence you with a click of the mouse. Ask me how I know. Lol
If they block me on this platform, which they may, I will just create a new user name. It’s their right to ban me or call what I said hate speech. I really don’t care what they think about it.
It’s not just here. It’s everywhere... I wasn’t si going out any one platform, they are all like that.
Some even claim that saying all lives matter is racist hate speech.
Exactly! Something as simple as saying that we are all equal, that all of our lives matter, has many times gotten people being accused of racism.
Basically, quoting Dr. King is now racist, to many on the Left... the irony... lol
Yes.
Liberals tend to think that more restrictive gun laws will reduce the likelihood and severity of these crimes.
The conservative view tends to be that if more people had their guns with them it would reduce these crimes.
Not sure how “crisis actors” is conservative or liberal.
Which side has more evidence to support it? We added tens of millions of guns to the population and relaxed laws and let 16 million people have concealed carry permits, yet violent crime dropped 30% in that time and is back where it was when carter was in office...