illegal is illegal. i dont care how long you have been here or if you were born here. if your parents are illegal you are illegal
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The law is the law, this is a country of law and order those illegal immigrants have broken the law, simple as that
They're legal for another 6 months. And considering they're all just as American in speech, conduct, beliefs and culture as you and I at this point, Congress needs to rewrite the laws to allow them to stay. But I also agree we can't let just anyone into this country, but have to acknowledge that it happens and we need laws to deal with it in a humane way.
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Laws are made by men and are often flawed. Why do you think people who make 1,000x more than us pay less in taxes? That's also why we break outdated speed limits which were posted when cars were 2 tons and drove like boats. Let's not get hung up on technicalities... there's a much more important, human side to this and immigration laws can, and most likely, will be changed.
Jokes on you. I’m not a Democrat.
The US during has in its history taken in millions of workers from Mexico to work on farms and menial jobs when it had a shortage of labour. It was a guest worker program.
It worked then.... so why can’t it work today?
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There are a whole bunch of laws still on the books that we break everyday. They aren’t enforced because they are past their time. It is way past time for Congress to get off their collective asses and once and for all solve this issue.
1-Allow these kids to get a pathway to citizenship WITH CIRCUMSTANCES ATTACHED.
2-Bring back the guest worker program so immigrats can fill jobs US citizens are not breaking down the doors to fill.
No joke, lots of Dems are making the same argument you did for their "cheap" labor. Dems are still the party of slavery.
You do know the difference between slave labour and low skilled/low paid labour right?
Hint: slaves don’t have a choice. Slaves are usually forced from their native homeland. Brought to another and forced into labour. The only option is to die.
What I have argued for is to reinstate our guest worker program for low skilled labour. Under that it would have the same worker protections everyone else employed here has.
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I hear what you're saying but the way I see it, what is wrong and cruel is for a president to issue an EO that he knew broke the law and then expect a different result later when the EO is rescinded. Bottom line is that Obama set these poor people up. He is primarily to blame for this mess...and so are the Dems who support it.
WTF? And people wonder why there's so much partisan bickering going on? Obama made a temporary Executive Order that has been working through court systems and deemed unconstitutional in part so Trump extended it for 6 months so Congress can establish a CONSTITUTIONAL policy. You remember that? The part where the legislative branch sets policy and the executive branch enforces it?
Does ANYONE know basic civics anymore?
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Such black and white in your world. Must be so monochromatic in your world to see as such.
Well, since you are focused on the legality arguement, I assume you know that by US law if you are born in the United States or it's territories, then you are a US citizen.....regardless of the citizenship of your parents. So, it does not necessarily follow that if your parents are illegal then you are illegal.
Note: I think there is an exception for children of diplomats that are born in US while their parents are stationed In the US by their country.
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Not to nitpick, but the Legislative Branch makes laws not policy. The Executive Branch implements those Laws and often promulgates administrative policies, procedures, and executive orders to do so.
When I worked for a DOE funded contractor, we were constantly dealing with policies, procedures, and orders put forth by the Department (part of the Exec Branch). For example, many of these were to ensure health and safety while performing the work funded by DOE. Some were helpful, and some were onerous. My point is that the mere fact that the Executive Branch has issued an Order is not a violation of basic civics or separation of powers. It is really quite common and at times useful
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"Some people have said that I shouldn’t get involved politically because probably half our customers are Republicans – maybe a little less, maybe more Dell than ours. But I do point out that there are more Democrats than Mac users so I’m going to just stay away from all that political stuff because that was just a personal thing." — Steve Jobs, August 2004
Travel anywhere outside of North America, you get treated differently once people realize your Canada and not the USA.
Keep fighting the good fight, Tim
When did he do that?
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A strawman argument which is logically fallacious.
I'd like to revoke the citizenship of a number of non-immigrants myself who have demonstrated a lot of vile opinions about human beings lately. I think the country would be better off replacing them with immigrants frankly.
I can't sugarcoat it...that was just a dumb comment. Party of slavery...please.
You need to get out of your partisan pants as apparently they are too tight and cutting off circulation.Here's the reality of the situation:
- Obama wanted congress to pass something but they as usual couldn't get their act together
- So, knowing that these kids were just hanging out there not really able to do much or get a job, he did something about it to give them immediate relief. Think of it as disaster relief. You take emergency measures right now hoping the money will be there later. You don't say "sorry, we can't give you water or sandbags or put you up in a disaster shelter until congress votes on it. We just do it.
- So that's what Obama did hoping that congress will take it up, but they never did.
- Obviously Obama also hoped/thought that a democrat would carry on the torch behind him and motivate congress. I guess we have that in the form of Donald Trump. We'll see if congress is actually motivated this time.
What is it with people who get their history from convicted felon and serial liar and jackass Dinesh D'Souza.
Anchor children are different than DREAMers. I would argue the majority of anchor child births in the US are from Asians as there's actually a maternity industry set around the country, including California, that caters to the obscenely wealthy Asians. DREAMers are mostly children who were brought over as very young children, whether illegally or legally, but that their parents overstayed their welcome.
Anchor children enjoy legal rights and US citizenship. DREAMers do not. The law, however, becomes convoluted if a parent of a DREAMer had them here. The law of anchor children still applies, because legitimate anchor children also had parents who overstayed their welcome or birthed their child here while on visa.
If you banned them both, which is easy to do, you do endanger the concept of foreign investment in the US, specifically from Asian nationals. Though I'm not sure that matters anymore as most US industry is owned by foreign bodies now.
I'm personally for DREAMers, even as a conservative, because I believe these children or young adults will likely get killed in Mexico or turn to drugs to cope.
What I am unsure of and have issue with is how tightly integrated 800,000 souls are to the US economy. ICE has all the details, and they've yet to anonymize said details and release it in a graph or chart. How many of these individuals work in a high economic throughput industry and earn a high wage?
In addition, and I tell this to everyone even if they're railing against a white individual. If you're bad at your job, or are not qualified enough to do the job, don't whine that others are stealing your job(s).
At the bottom end, if you want, we can set you up to work the fields, janitorial duty and be a gardener for 60-80 hours a week, all year long.
Anchor children enjoy legal rights and US citizenship. DREAMers do not. The law, however, becomes convoluted if a parent of a DREAMer had them here. The law of anchor children still applies, because legitimate anchor children also had parents who overstayed their welcome or birthed their child here while on visa.
If you banned them both, which is easy to do, you do endanger the concept of foreign investment in the US, specifically from Asian nationals. Though I'm not sure that matters anymore as most US industry is owned by foreign bodies now.
I'm personally for DREAMers, even as a conservative, because I believe these children or young adults will likely get killed in Mexico or turn to drugs to cope.
What I am unsure of and have issue with is how tightly integrated 800,000 souls are to the US economy. ICE has all the details, and they've yet to anonymize said details and release it in a graph or chart. How many of these individuals work in a high economic throughput industry and earn a high wage?
In addition, and I tell this to everyone even if they're railing against a white individual. If you're bad at your job, or are not qualified enough to do the job, don't whine that others are stealing your job(s).
At the bottom end, if you want, we can set you up to work the fields, janitorial duty and be a gardener for 60-80 hours a week, all year long.
That doesn't work like that.
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I'm well aware of that. I said it's what I wanted, no what exist. I'd also like to win the lotto and have money and health to travel around the world but those aren't likely either.
I'm going to agree with you up to a point. Obama acted recklessly when he extended the promise to the Dreamers without considering what would happen if that promise was broken. It was a foolish overreach of power that has put ~800,000 people in serious jeopardy.
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Anything that happens from this point is the choice of Congress and the president. Neither trump, nor Congress is compelled by the decisions Obama made five years ago. They both supposedly possess free will and intelligent minds. Any measures taken against the Dreamers are the responsibility of the legislators who make the law and the executive who signs it.
Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress have been delivered the fate of the Dreamers.
What will they choose to do with them?
But they should be deported all the same. Illegals coming over and dropping a kid and pretending that makes everything good = exploitation and entitlement. Their entitlement ends with their presence in this country. If the parents can't stay around to raise the kid because they are illegal, then the kid cannot be raised here. Deport them all.
Hope not with that avatar. However, you haven’t provided anything to counter my original statement except to insult me and tell me my thinking is simplistic.
People REALLY need to learn how CEO's work. Geez this is getting irritating. CEO's do not do EVERY SINGLE THING in a company. That is why there are departments, and directors, and Vice Presidents/Presidents of those departments.
What is the most profitable portion of Apple? iPhones. So Tim, as the CEO dedicates resources for their most profitable part of the business first. They do this by making sure that department has the right budget.
This is like complaining that the Xbox struggles at a constant 60 FPS and blames Satya Nadella. Sorry, that is not how it works. Phil Spencer is the one in charge of that DEPARTMENT.
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Not the same thing at all. A better analogy would be a new law goes in to effect and several people now need to pay thousands of dollars.
I agree we need to stop something at the source - as in prevent illegal immigration when they attempt to immigrate here illegally. What I do not agree with is kicking nearly 1 million people out of the country (unless they are criminals* and those kinds of cases - good workers/tax payers/... should not be kicked out).
*You might consider them criminals just by being in the country. I am referring to selling drugs, kill people, tax evasion, and those types of crimes.
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If the iPhone 8 flops, there is still the iPhone 7S
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