Apple CEO Tim Cook Pledges Support to Employees Affected by DACA in New Letter

[chriscrowlee]

Charlottesville was a toxic mix of morons, bigots on both sides from the organizers down to the supporters. Trying to claim moral superiority is the desperate act of a partisan zealot. In short, when 'your' side shows up clubs and bottles full of their own urine to throw... you've already lost.

Comon, don't you know it was just the white supremacists fighting

I know you didn't actually just compare offensive jokes to an incident where a young woman was murdered, a young man was severely beaten, and a city was torn apart, all by white supremacists fighting to preserve symbols of slavery -- while the president stood by saying there was "blame on both sides".

Unbelievable. But not unbelievable really, because THIS is how Republicans operate today -- false equivalencies, a complete lack of context, and false outrage while skirting around actual serious issues. However, they fail to fool anyone with half a brain.

Last time I checked it takes two sides to tear a city apart. Let me guess, when Milo Yianopolous was going to speak at Berkeley and those "peaceful protesters" showed up to protest against Milo, and they looted, rioted, set fire to buildings, and sent numerous people to the hospital, that to you was just the right egging on the opposition? You're a special kind of stupid if you think that.

You must sit and stare at CNN all day. They love to make it seem like anyone who doesn't support open borders and amnesty and who doesn't agree with their agenda is a sexist, bigot nazi. Sorry, reality doesn't support your version of this world. 99% of the violence and property destruction the last year has been from those identifying as left or some form of it. Fact.

 

[amirite]

Last time I checked it takes two sides to tear a city apart

Wtf does that even mean?

 

[InfoTime]

A few questions:

1) Don't these children have parents? No one seems to mention that. It's like little 10 year olds will get deported. So their parents get to stay?

2) If these children are now adults and living totally independently of their parents, then are they taking the steps to become citizens? If not, does DACA give them a Lifetime Pass of free citizenship with no consequences?

3) The 250 DACA candidates who work for Apple... are they paying federal, state and local taxes like everyone else? That doesn't seem possible.

 

[unobtainium]

Let me guess, when Milo Yianopolous was going to speak at Berkeley and those "peaceful protesters" showed up to protest against Milo, and they looted, rioted, set fire to buildings, and sent numerous people to the hospital, that to you was just the right egging on the opposition?

I don't blame Milo for the violence at Berkeley -- I blame the people who caused the destruction. Likewise, I don't blame peaceful anti-racism protesters in Charlottesville, I blame the white supremacists and neo-Nazis who marched on the city, who violently beat a black kid on camera, and who deliberately drove into a group of nonviolent protesters, killing one of them. The president had a responsibility to speak up loudly and clearly about what happened, especially because of the long history of white supremacism, lynching, and racism in the South, something that has long divided this country -- and he didn't. Instead, he chose a false moral equivalency.

99% of the violence and property destruction the last year has been from those identifying as left or some form of it. Fact.

The way you expressed that pseudo-fact with such conviction, all while criticizing me for supposedly watching "fake news", actually made me laugh out loud.
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A few questions:

2) If these children are now adults and living totally independently of their parents, then are they taking the steps to become citizens?

Because they were brought here illegally as children, there is no clear path for them to become citizens.

3) The 250 DACA candidates who work for Apple... are they paying federal, state and local taxes like everyone else?

Under DACA, they are legally entitled to work, and they pay taxes just like everyone on Apple's payroll.

 

[Glockworkorange]

The reason the "latino labor force" exists is because of illegal immigration. Do you travel much? Go to the UK, or France, or Australia. They don't have the under the table workforces America has, therefor there's not a population available to clean your house for $5 an hour. When that segment doesn't exist, do you think people just have dirty houses? No, it's legal workers doing the work for legal wages. Your argument is so stupid.

They don’t live next to Mexico.

And if you haven’t seen the “no go” zones in Europe....

Europe has its own immigration problems. I’d actually prefer our problems to theirs.

 

[burgman]

I am completely in favor of granting full citizenship to people that came here as kids and were raised here.

But, I have a harder time with amnesty for everyone. While I sympathize with them, millions of undocumented immigrants do hurt American workers, especially lower wage workers. They create downward pressure in wages.

While overall undocumented immigrants might be a net positive for the country as a whole, most of the gains go to the workers themselves and the top 1%. Everyone else has to pay for it. Undocumented workers pay around $12B in taxes (all taxes). But schooling for undocumented children ALONE costs $56 billion, and then you add in healthcare costs, and so on.

But worst of all, in the restaurant and agricultural industries for example, undocumented immigrants lower wages. Only corporations like Tyson benefit from this. Without such a large supply of cheap labor, they would be forced to raise wages. The cost of food would go up slightly, but American workers would benefit greatly overall.

I sympathize with undocumented immigrants, I really do. They only came here to improve their lives and their family's well being. Who wouldn't do the same thing in their situation? But they're hurting a lot of poor people here in the US too.

As if the vast majority of lazy American workers would do those jobs..

 

[macjoshua]

I would gladly give my citizenship to a Dreamer, if it were possible.

 

[pratikindia]

President Trump said, "We will resolve the DACA issue with heart and compassion – but through the lawful Democratic process – while at the same time ensuring that any immigration reform we adopt provides enduring benefits for the American citizens we were elected to serve. We must also have heart and compassion for unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans."

 

[citizenzen]

President Trump said, "We will resolve the DACA issue with heart and compassion – but through the lawful Democratic process – while at the same time ensuring that any immigration reform we adopt provides enduring benefits for the American citizens we were elected to serve. We must also have heart and compassion for unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans."

He also said, you're going to get healthcare, great healthcare, the best healthcare that you can imagine.

 

[jwhitnah]

Unless you are descended from a Native American tribe, you really aren't either. And I'd prefer any of these dreamers to any of the native-born dregs we have here who seem to be more into opioids, white supremacy, and militias than contributing to this nation.

Saying this nonsense does not make it so. Opposing DACA or Tim Cook does not make one a racist or a bigot, any more than supporting it makes you antifa. Allowing DACA encourages others to continue to break the law.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook this morning sent out an email to employees following the announcement that United States President Donald Trump will phase out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program over the course of the next six months. Trump has called on Congress to replace DACA with new legislation by March 5, 2018.

In the email, Cook says Apple will work with members of Congress to advocate for a legislative solution that will continue to protect the children of immigrants, and he says Apple is working with impacted Apple employees to provide support, including access to immigration experts.Over the weekend, Cook tweeted that Apple employs 250 "dreamers," aka people who came to the United States at a young age when their undocumented parents immigrated to the country. "I stand with them," said Cook in the tweet. "They deserve our respect as equals and a solution rooted in American values."

Cook and 300 other business leaders also signed an open letter last week urging President Trump to preserve the program or to pass the bipartisan DREAM act or other legislation for a more permanent solution, but it went unheeded.

With DACA suspended, the government will not accept new applications from undocumented immigrants to defer deportation and offer work permits.

While the current 800,000 DACA enrollees are not expected to be immediately impacted and can renew their two-year permits until October 5, if a new solution isn't offered by Congress, people who grew up in the United States and have lived in the country since childhood could face deportation to countries that are essentially foreign to them.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook Pledges Support to Employees Affected by DACA in New Letter

Dude, you need to resign.
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Of course you are, because when I think Austin, I think petro. Anyhow, like I said, never said I did a good job, I just kicked ass and made good money. Sorry you think insulting betters your average life. Doesn't bother me in the least. Shouldn't you be working? There's 30 mins left in your workday.

Dayum!

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

No they are not. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS and should be rounded up deported across the border immediately and without discussion.

They aren't people? Wow. Just wow.

If you really think that then you aren't worth talking to anymore.

A few questions:

1) Don't these children have parents? No one seems to mention that. It's like little 10 year olds will get deported. So their parents get to stay?

2) If these children are now adults and living totally independently of their parents, then are they taking the steps to become citizens? If not, does DACA give them a Lifetime Pass of free citizenship with no consequences?

3) The 250 DACA candidates who work for Apple... are they paying federal, state and local taxes like everyone else? That doesn't seem possible.

1. Some might not have parents around. There is after all things like jails, car crashes, divorce/breakups, normal deaths that happen in the world. Additionally something that most people aren't thinking about is some of these dreamers are old enough to have childern of their own. Childern that are U.S. citizens, but not citizens of Mexico or whatever. What happens to all of them?

2. No lifetime pass, and some but not all were working towards citizenship. Personally I think that should be a requirement to stay. I think that is fair.

3. Sure. Under DACA they have work permits and tax ID numbers. That was one of the whole points of DACA.

 

[jwhitnah]

I wonder if Trump wears his white hood when he comes up with these decisions..... #disgusting

We all know you typed this when you were wearing your black hat and mask.

 

[B4U]

The whole time that I thought Latinos are native to the continent.

 

[jwhitnah]

They aren't people? Wow. Just wow.

If you really think that then you aren't worth talking to anymore.



1. Some might not have parents around. There is after all things like jails, car crashes, divorce/breakups, normal deaths that happen in the world. Additionally something that most people aren't thinking about is some of these dreamers are old enough to have childern of their own. Childern that are U.S. citizens, but not citizens of Mexico or whatever. What happens to all of them?

2. No lifetime pass, and some but not all were working towards citizenship. Personally I think that should be a requirement to stay. I think that is fair.

3. Sure. Under DACA they have work permits and tax ID numbers. That was one of the whole points of DACA.

To your point number 1 - Obviously Children of DACA kids are US citizens. Anchor baby.

Wtf does that even mean?

It means fists are flying from the left and right. Try to keep up.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

To your point number 1 - Obviously Children of DACA kids are US citizens. Anchor baby.

Which doesn't answer my question. We kick the patents and grandparents out and leave the U.S. born citizens as orphans?

 

[szw-mapple fan]

President Trump wants to stop illegal immigrants from taking American jobs, oh the humanity!!!

You mean the children of illegal immigrants that the US government has invested time and tax dollars to provide healthcare and education? Those that are actually contributing back to society now that they are paying tax dollars? Wanting to deport their undocumented parents I understand somewhat, but really the children as well?

 

[Naaaaak]

I am deeply dismayed that 800,000 Americans -- including more than 250 of our Apple coworkers -- may soon find themselves cast out of the only country they've ever called home.

The average age of these illegals is 26. Most of them, including all of Apple's illegal employees, have had another nation they have called home.

 

[ellsworth]

I've tried reading this entire thread but my-o-my, so much misinformation, judgement, negativity and out right incorrect knowledge of the immigration laws being spread like a disease in here. Everyone thinks they have the right answer. We've had 5 presidential administrations who either failed to get the ball rolling on immigration or ignored it completely. Now, we have another stack of files being handed to congress who can't figure out anything at the moment. I have my reservations on our current immigration laws but I don't believe I'm qualified to express it on this here forum.

 

[the8thark]

Because they are hoping for amnesty and getting citizenship without doing what legal immigrants had to do gain citizenship.

Why is business in the USA pushing for this?

We all know Tim Cook pushes for anything anti Trump and uses his position as Apple CEO to do so, regardless if it's in the best interests of the nation or not. But why are the other business leaders also supporting this? All 300 of them can't be as anti Trump as Tim Cook is. Well I'm hoping the 300 are not, I could be wrong.

It's a trucky situation, but it needs to be done unforunately. The Democrats (which Tim Cook loves) refuse to pass anything meaningful in Congress/ Senate white Trump is president. They just vote no because they hate Trump and hurt the country in the process.

Tim Cook is proving he loves the Democrat Party more than improving the USA. We don't see Tim Cook writing to the Democrat politicians in Congress/Senate asking them to actually vote in favour of improving the country. Tim Cook is much to biased to do that and put the USA first.

I've not seen so much hatred for one person (President Trump) who is trying so hard to improve the nation (and succeeding in many ways). Sure Trump does not know how to use politics well to get congress on his side, but Trump is not even close to the devil that many people are making him out to be. Not even the great stock market figures, business confidence figures, improving employment and work participation figures and other figures impress these business leaders. They hate Trump.

These business leaders hate Trump more then they like making profits. This is a dangerous thing indeed. Trump's actions in part are helping them to make more profits but they still hate Trump.
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The average age of these illegals is 26. Most of them, including all of Apple's illegal employees, have had another nation they have called home.

Tim Cook does lie when it means attacking Trump more. This is yet more proof that Tim Cook keeps on doing this.

 

[pratikindia]

The next big think US need to do is the revoke automatic citizenship to anchor babies.

 

[Essaux]

I wonder when Tim is going to stop selling or doing business with homophobic and human rights abusing nations like Saudi Arabia? Or when he brings home all production and stop cheap modern day slave labor to assemble its products?

 

[lostngone]

The next big think US need to do is the revoke automatic citizenship to anchor babies.

I disagree, if they are born here they are citizens however I am against the anchor part. The parents should get 2 choices put the child up for adoptions and leave or take the child back to parents country of origin until it is of legal age and then it is free to come back as a citizen.

 

[0388631]

I disagree, if they are born here they are citizens however I am against the anchor part. The parents should get 2 choices put the child up for adoptions and leave or take the child back to parents country of origin until it is of legal age and then it is free to come back as a citizen.

We could simply catapult them. It'll save fuel and prevent emissions.

 

[2010mini]

President Trump wants to stop illegal immigrants from taking American jobs, oh the humanity!!!

ROFLOL you actually believe this??? If an illegal immigrant is taking your job.... you have a f’d up Job homie! Go read up on what happened in Alabama when they got rid of all the illegal immigrants.

They found out that all those jobs illegals were “taking” could not be filled by US citizens. Hell they even tried to use prisoners and they said.. nope!

 

[Naaaaak]

If an illegal immigrant is taking your job.... you have a f’d up Job homie!

They found out that all those jobs illegals were “taking” could not be filled by US citizens. Hell they even tried to use prisoners and they said.. nope!

So you want to keep the illegals here for menial jobs?

What is it with Democrats and their slave labor?