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I respect the man for his hard work and vision. Other than that he is just a really messed up individual. From not admitting his has a daughter to pushing his employees to work 90hr weeks.

For goodness sake look at the illusion he has spun on everyone - he made you buy crap that was underpowered, over priced, and built the apple brand to what it is today. That's how you do business and he did extremely well. But I am not about to weep over his passing because the man had a chance to deal with his cancer but yet he held off and his end was party due to his own arrogance.

Scott Forstall really misses him because once steve left everyone attacked him and left him behind. Then you have monkeys like Eddie Cue and that one nerd running the apple watch. Tim cook is a bean counter and he does his job well to protect the company; as for Jony he is just plain lazy these days and the products reflect this. Look at the mac lineup of hardware. Pathetic. Look at the prices!

We have itunes music, beats acquisition, no headphone jack, iCloud screw ups, maps is still pathetic, siri is beyond pathetic, and worse we got no one at apple to drive innovation.
 
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I can't help but wish this year's keynote happened six or seven years ago. Then we may have seen Apple's Steve Jobs shake hands with Nintendo's Satoru Iwata, instead of Cook/Miyamoto. That would have been iconic.
 
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Great point, couldn't agree more...he would totally have been behind this. In fact I think he would have pushed for it earlier.

I think he could've been behind the removal of the headphone jack. But an adapter is not an elegant solution, no matter how we look at it. Alas, we'll never know either way he would've gone with it.

It's tantalising to wonder what genius ideas Steve Jobs may have continued to bring to the tech game, but I think the direction Apple has gone since 2011 is not too dissimilar in terms of product evolution. Personally speaking Apple are still making products I find a joy to use and they are doing an okay job selling them on stage.

The thing I find frustrating in post-Jobs Apple is that in my mind they used to really make the best products out there.

But the competition has increased their rate of innovation so impressively that I often find myself looking over the fence and going: "Wow, they beat Apple to that?"

Apple's policy of removing things is starting to bite them, because everyone else is figuring out that the competition can and do give users what Apple does, without removing anything.

There are two things Apple does, and two things only, that keep me in their camp:

Their take on multiple virtual desktops and their silky smooth multitouch hardware/software implementation

Apple trackpads are my heroin, since 2001.
 
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Let me clarify.

My "Just fine" comment was in response to you saying "But Apple don't offer decent hardware to run those apps on" which isn't true at all. The currently available Mac line runs them "just fine", but when you select higher spec models they run the pro apps "Quite Well".

I know what you are getting at, the product line is a bit on the stale side. I think we are in a holding pattern with Apple. Awaiting them to either make a jump to a new processor platform, or, to start releasing products run on Apple designed silicon.

I agree, it could be they are preparing to get Zen on us. But that doesn't explain the disaster that is the Mac Tube Pro. And prior to the transition to Intel Apple used the fastest PPC silicon they could get. They didn't stop upgrading Macs for a couple years because they had to prepare for x86.
 
I agree, it could be they are preparing to get Zen on us. But that doesn't explain the disaster that is the Mac Tube Pro. And prior to the transition to Intel Apple used the fastest PPC silicon they could get. They didn't stop upgrading Macs for a couple years because they had to prepare for x86.
They typically do speed bumps once a year. Look back, sometimes this was really late in the year, just like what is happening in 2016. The MacBook pro is due for a full refresh (it has been ~4 years and in time with their history). Others usually get updated near the same time, as the new processor family (that Apple Supports) is usually incorporated into them.

I have already been on record (years ago) stating the new Mac Pro is a mistake (IMO) as it competes with workstation class systems with plenty of internal expansion, much like the unit it replaced. It would be awesome if it existed as an option for people that want a modern G4 Cube, but not as a replacement.
 
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There's not another soul in my mind where I consistently think "What would the world be like if he were still alive?" This is a testament to his mind, spirit, and global influence.
 
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Not trying to take anything away from Jobs, regardless of what he has done or not, but I feel like Tim & Co just milk his memory for business purposes every year.

if it wasn't for Steve's ability to persuade Tim to leave Compaq and join Apple in the 90's, his life might have been slightly different.
 
I never had the opportunity to see Steve in person, or visit Apple for that matter (still something I want to do, road trip from the east coast to 1 infinite loop on my trusty 800cc in the bucket list.)

But he changed my life when I was a teenager, if it wasn't for his invention, I'd be dead. The high school I attended had received a grant for 20+ Macintosh SE machines, a Apple Laser printer.

The principal and other staff had no idea what to do with this, they left the door open to the room and found me messing around. They had been aware I was a no good kid looking for trouble but for whatever the reason at the time, the principal offered me a job, 20 hours a week to set it up, run it and provide guidance to students and staff @ x dollars/hr.

If it wasn't for those machines and that principal, where i am today would not have happened. Greatest time in my life! We even had Waterloo students do their co-op running the Mac Lab and all but one I had to train up so they knew what they were doing.

It was those systems that fired my imagination, spending countless hours creating D&D forms for tracking game play, helping people understand what the "computer" could do for them. Suddenly I existed as something more than an abuse toy. That's what the Mac SE did for me.

I couldn't afford their stuff, but always found a way to work with it. The school trusted me enough to bring a unit home during Christmas break. Those times, yea magical is the word.

The lose of Steve for me is the lose of a time period never to be repeated. It wasn't his character or the collateral from it, that drew my attention it, was what he could achieve thru others. His single minded unrelenting drive.

R.I.P Steve
 
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They typically do speed bumps once a year. Look back, sometimes this was really late in the year, just like what is happening in 2016. The MacBook pro is due for a full refresh (it has been ~4 years and in time with their history). Others usually get updated near the same time, as the new processor family (that Apple Supports) is usually incorporated into them.

I have already been on record (years ago) stating the new Mac Pro is a mistake (IMO) as it competes with workstation class systems with plenty of internal expansion, much like the unit it replaced. It would be awesome if it existed as an option for people that want a modern G4 Cube, but not as a replacement.

Sounds like we actually agree on almost everything, lol. A headless iMac in the form of the Tube would be awesome.
 
I respect the man for his hard work and vision. Other than that he is just a really messed up individual. From not admitting his has a daughter to pushing his employees to work 90hr weeks.

For goodness sake look at the illusion he has spun on everyone - he made you buy crap that was underpowered, over priced, and built the apple brand to what it is today. That's how you do business and he did extremely well. But I am not about to weep over his passing because the man had a chance to deal with his cancer but yet he held off and his end was party due to his own arrogance.

Scott Forstall really misses him because once steve left everyone attacked him and left him behind. Then you have monkeys like Eddie Cue and that one nerd running the apple watch. Tim cook is a bean counter and he does his job well to protect the company; as for Jony he is just plain lazy these days and the products reflect this. Look at the mac lineup of hardware. Pathetic. Look at the prices!

We have itunes music, beats acquisition, no headphone jack, iCloud screw ups, maps is still pathetic, siri is beyond pathetic, and worse we got no one at apple to drive innovation.

You're wrong. Was there a compelling music player that had the ease of use and music purchase ecosystem before the iPod? No. Was there a compelling smartphone that had a web browser and application store before the iPhone? No. Was there an operating system that was way ahead of the competition around 2006-2007 (Intel transition) - No, Vista was far behind. MSFT has caught up with Win10, but that's because MacOS stagnated since he's been gone. It was all Steve - it came from the top, he instilled a culture of pursuing perfection. He got the little things right, because he knew that when you add all the little things up, there's nothing bigger.
 
I never had the opportunity to see Steve in person, or visit Apple for that matter (still something I want to do, road trip from the east coast to 1 infinite loop on my trusty 800cc in the bucket list.)

But he changed my life when I was a teenager, if it wasn't for his invention, I'd be dead. The high school I attended had received a grant for 20+ Macintosh SE machines, a Apple Laser printer.

The principal and other staff had no idea what to do with this, they left the door open to the room and found me messing around. They had been aware I was a no good kid looking for trouble but for whatever the reason at the time, the principal offered me a job, 20 hours a week to set it up, run it and provide guidance to students and staff @ x dollars/hr.

If it wasn't for those machines and that principal, where i am today would not have happened. Greatest time in my life! We even had Waterloo students do their co-op running the Mac Lab and all but one I had to train up so they knew what they were doing.

It was those systems that fired my imagination, spending countless hours creating D&D forms for tracking game play, helping people understand what the "computer" could do for them. Suddenly I existed as something more than an abuse toy. That's what the Mac SE did for me.

I couldn't afford their stuff, but always found a way to work with it. The school trusted me enough to bring a unit home during Christmas break. Those times, yea magical is the word.

The lose of Steve for me is the lose of a time period never to be repeated. It wasn't his character or the collateral from it, that drew my attention it, was what he could achieve thru others. His single minded unrelenting drive.

R.I.P Steve

That is a very moving account, thank you!

I had the opposite experience with the first Mac in 1987 or so. My high school had a single Mac and I was one of the few with permission to use it. I tweaked a few things to make it do rather obscene things and that was the last time I used it!
 
Given what I see, I'd say Cook is not as good as a CEO and leader as Steve Jobs. I'll be happy to be wrong but from what I see right now, It doesn't look like I am.

Isn't the expectation that Tim Cook can be as good as Steve unrealistic though? Like saying "You know, the Chicago Bulls, just not the same without Michael Jordan. Scottie Pippen, just not as good
 
I liked Steve and his crazy genius, but we really need to move on. Either that or Tim should call the pope to see if we can get a sainthood for SJ.

So commemorating his death is not moving on? Some people here, I swear... Do you even interact with other humans?
 
So commemorating his death is not moving on? Some people here, I swear... Do you even interact with other humans?
I do, and I usually refrain from personal attacks when doing it. Clearly we do not agree on the method of interaction.
 
Isn't the expectation that Tim Cook can be as good as Steve unrealistic though? Like saying "You know, the Chicago Bulls, just not the same without Michael Jordan. Scottie Pippen, just not as good
Yes, he'll definitely be in Job's shadow, but my point is that he's managing and not leading.
 
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I miss the days when Apple made computers!
 

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iOS wouldn't be a laggy mess on a brand new iPhone in 2016 if Steve were still around. I miss his presentations too but his absence at Apple is obviously notable with the dip in quality over the past few years. I cannot remember anyone being so complacent with their devices like we are today when he was at the helm.

Honestly I'm running iOS 10.0.2 on an iPhone 7 Plus 128GB VZW Black and have MINIMAL issues. 3,400 photos, 83 apps and 2,200 songs.

My battery life is great, software and OS work great together etc.

The only really bug I've had is an issue where all of the buttons stop being responsive and I have to reset the phone. Only happened twice in two weeks.

iOS 10 + iPhone 7 is in no way a "laggy mess". Hell, when Steve was alive there were issues with iOS and OS X too. Problems will always exist no matter who is running the show.
 
iOS wouldn't be a laggy mess on a brand new iPhone in 2016 if Steve were still around. I miss his presentations too but his absence at Apple is obviously notable with the dip in quality over the past few years. I cannot remember anyone being so complacent with their devices like we are today when he was at the helm.

Did you set up as-new or did you restore from a backup? If you restored then that is your problem. You should never restore, that's just for lazy people.
 
Did you set up as-new or did you restore from a backup? If you restored then that is your problem. You should never restore, that's just for lazy people.
Felicidad for not having contacts, documents, settings and data.
Should become standard.
 
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