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I am less concerned with "evil" corporations compared to "evil" governments, so all the power to Apple making their equipment safe from that sort of prying eye.
 
Ignorant Americans. What else is new.

What he hell would Google do with your pics? They aren't gonna sell them to anyone.
 
Quick question - when someone gives a speech, you don't know whether that's a small g or a capital G, do you? Tech Crunch (which MR apparently quoted) thinks it's a small g, while The Verge thinks it's a capital G.

I suppose Tim could tell us - and certainly God knows - but it's interesting to see which one an author attributes to the speaker.
Or it could be that one writer writes it one way and the other writer writes it the other way. Just like I write "colour" and Americans "color."
 
Some of you seriously believe that Apple doesn't data mine **** out of you?

For starters they have your fingerprints tied to your real name and address, they store your movements and soon they will have your health status. Oh and add gapped backdoor in iOS for NSA and their cooperation with authorities.

The thing is no one knows what Apple does with your data until they get caught like tracking and storing your location.

Whole speech is one giant bs. Apple, Google and Microsoft are all the same they would sell their own grandmas three times if they could to get some cash flow.
They don't have our fingerprints. Unless they lied about the fingerprint sensor. They were very specific in their description of how that worked, and that the fingerprint was only stored locally on the phone/pad itself. Now I'm not so naive to thing big business never lies, but if it cam out that they lied about something like this, the company would be done. Most don't have the brass ones to take that kind of gamble. Especially in a company as large as Apple. Too many people would know and it would get out eventually.
 
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With ‘evil’ I meant that you know that you’re essentially paying in kind with your data and are never using a service for ‘free’. And I meant it ironic, in case that wasn’t obvious. Google’s business model has always relied on this, starting with Google Search. The novelty, and brilliance, of Google Search itself was the two-sided market of consumers and advertisers. Once you encounter the Google brand, you know that you’re giving up your data for whatever purpose that Google makes money off.

With Apple, you don’t know. You might know that they also collect data through iTunes and iAd, but you don’t know to which extent and to what end. This is precisely why I find Apple so deceptive when it comes to privacy, you have to pay attention to the fine details (and the ridiculously long terms of use of iTunes and iCloud). With Google, you don’t have to worry about this, it will always be used for some commercial purpose and that makes it easy, for me, to just stay away from all of their services, even if I think the data they get from me through that particular service is harmless.



I agree that it’s still a problem for people that don’t pay any attention to this. If you’re reasonably tech-savvy however, you should easily see Google for what it is. The only reason why you would continue using Google is not because you don’t know what they do behind the scenes, it’s because you simply don’t care and prefer to enjoy the benefits their services have for you.
"Should have known..." Is an often used phrase that could describe a lot of people in a ton of situations. Most people don't really get how things work. We've told my kid repeatedly that anything on the net is available to anyone. And he still sent a picture of his junk to someone else over snap-chat to his later dismay. "People", most of them, really do think there is such thing as a free lunch.
 
I'm not sure what he means by "morality demands it". Whose morality? I guess it's stronger than just saying "it's ethical". Ethics has lost its meaning anyway, a lot of so-called ethicists support some pretty despicable and evil things in my view. What is Tim Cook's morality based on? It's not Christianity, Islam or Judaism as I understand them. Maybe it's just whatever he says it is.
 
Ignorant Americans. What else is new.

What he hell would Google do with your pics? They aren't gonna sell them to anyone.
Why not? Facebook does. A friend of mine saw a picture of herself (posted only to Facebook) on an ad, once. As I said in the post above...

... They may think they "know", but they don't really know what it means in day-to-day life.
 
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I really like Apple's stance on this. That's a big added bonus of using Apple products. I don't trust anybody but i'm actually in full belief of what he says. I've seen tons of articles about the government asking tech companies to allow backdoor access to their products and they've refused. I think Apple has the strongest conviction on this issue out of everybody and I really do trust them.
 
I'm not sure what he means by "morality demands it". Whose morality? I guess it's stronger than just saying "it's ethical". Ethics has lost its meaning anyway, a lot of so-called ethicists support some pretty despicable and evil things in my view. What is Tim Cook's morality based on? It's not Christianity, Islam or Judaism as I understand them. Maybe it's just whatever he says it is.

What is you point here? Many moral frameworks, including a few you mentioned, say some despicable things as well. That doesn't mean moral philosophy has lost its meaning, it just means ideas need to be evaluated individually for their validity. And in any case, what does that have to do with Tim's claim that protecting freedom of expression is a moral stance? Surely the truth of that can be defended very easily on its own, with reference to history and philosophy.
 
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With Apple lagging on software quality and innovation in a cloud world, every now and then I look at some of Google's innovations and long for them. Google Maps, Google Now, etc.

But I am never tempted to jump ship because I am unwilling to make the faustian bargain that is the Google Ecosystem. Companies and governments—all of them—have proven that over time, they will never do what is right by the people with their private information. So I remain an Apple customer.

With that said, I think I am the exception. Most consumers are clueless. Accordingly, I hope Apple becomes the cloud and software innovator it once was. Both current OS release have inspired a chorus of, "no new features, just quality," Apple Maps, iWork, music app, new iTunes, etc. Again, I'm not hating on Apple, it's just that the velocity of innovation and quality standards are too low. (Their hardware continues to be second-to-none, of course.)

As humans, we need what Apple represents to win: respect for the individual, privacy, and the tools of civil rights. Ultimately, it will fuel the technology industry to the next level—if we stop trusting the devices, we will stop trusting and buying them—and not just for out pocket and desktop, but for our homes, cars, wrists, et al.

Only when we trust these tools, the most personal and advanced tools our species has ever invented, can we use them to push humanity forward.
 
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Then you're not ALL for privacy, are you? You're mostly for privacy, unless it costs too much.
Apple charges twice as much as competing paid subscription services, such as Dropbox. And iCloud operating cost can be subsidized by iPhone sales. An average active iPhone user upgrades once every 1-3 years at average selling price north of $687, of 41.5% of which is profit (or $285).

Surely Apple can afford to spend a bit of that money and offer unlimited photo (not video) storage, which probably would average 100 GB per user at best. Heck, my family's photo library is 500 GB, a large percentage of which are RAW images. Make it JPEG only if it must.
 
Apple charges twice as much as competing paid subscription services, such as Dropbox. And iCloud operating cost can be subsidized by iPhone sales. An average active iPhone user upgrades once every 1-3 years at average selling price north of $687, of 41.5% of which is profit (or $285).

Surely Apple can afford to spend a bit of that money and offer unlimited photo (not video) storage, which probably would average 100 GB per user at best. Heck, my family's photo library is 500 GB, a large percentage of which are RAW images. Make it JPEG only if it must.
Apple doesnt make 41% profit margins on iPhones after you take into consideration R&D, marketing, their generous reutn policy, the stores etc...
 
Or it could be that one writer writes it one way and the other writer writes it the other way. Just like I write "colour" and Americans "color."
I think my real point is that the author can write it in a way that may not reflect what the speaker intended or would have chosen, had he put it in writing.

Neither of these is arbitrary. Color vs. colour has been a standard for many generations; God vs. god for centuries.

Even though its use in an exclamation could be considered disrespectful, God is almost certainly being used as a proper name here, so it should be capitalized.
 
"And we think some day, customers will see this for what it is."

This is the only part where he is incorrect. Billions are already online and the population is only expanding. No one gives a hoot about privacy. 0.000000001% doesn't count.

Plenty of people care about privacy, many just don't have a clue how little privacy remains until it bites them.
Fact link: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...americans-dont-know-what-a-privacy-policy-is/

If you don't care, fine, but don't speak for everyone else.
 
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Not on facebook.

Wish I could drop Google, but GApps domain hosting is just so freaking good. Need to look closely at office365, just so much time investment required at this point, and microsoft tends to lag.

Office365 is a joke compared to Google Apps. You can't add more than one domain, no email aliases etc. etc.

Plus: why trust Microsoft of you don't trust Google? Doesn't make any sense. Google doesn't analyze and aggregate information from google apps customers.
 
The thing is: if Apple really cared about privacy, they'd encrypt all of our data in the cloud using keys that only the user has. And they'd move data of European customers to servers in Europe. Until both of these are happening, they're no better than anyone else.
 
Tim Cook says all the right words but I remain unconvinced. I think there are back doors in Apple products / software that allow the NSA et al to data mine.
 
Cook speaks at a "Champions of Freedom" event while running one of the biggest censorship platforms in the known world, and with a ten year long record of censoring sexual minorities in the app store for what they even acknowledge in their terms are complete subjective and arbitrary criteria, based entirely on their whims.

It would be hilarious if it didn't stink to high heaven.
 
Google's free photos service was the first non-Apple platform that actually made me consider using it. However, after I remembered that Google makes their revenue through advertising I thought against it.
I installed googles photo app at first even uploaded some pictures but then I rememberd what I am doing here and deleted the app.
 
if they believe in privacy and encryption so much - why don't they add it to mail? PGP add ons have existed for years. It wouldn't take much for apple to add a key generator app and act as a public key repository. then all our currently sent in free text emails would be private.
 
Well, I like the idea of Apple's plan here, but if you're really concerned about these things nothing will satisfy your privacy needs until you stop using the internet. It's the only way of having full control besides maybe becoming CEO of Google.

I'm happy paying Apple 3.99 per month to have some cloud space for my photos and email. At least it seams like everything is okay. Quality of their services is slowly getting better each year and is sufficient for me.
 
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