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And this is why things won't improve anytime soon on the teen pregnancy, sex trafficking or STD side of things: sex has lost its sanctity. It is considered merely a bodily function with no social responsibility attached to its indulgence beyond obtaining consent (to the best of ones knowledge) (and maybe a condom) before enjoy it.

With regards to teen pregnancy and STDs, you know what is incredibly effective? Education on safe sex. You know what is not effective? Abstinence only lectures.

You have an unhealthy view on sex. For you, sex is a sin and is immoral if it is done for any other purpose than procreation. You think somehow your view is morally superior than everyone else's. The fact is, your view is ignorant of history and it is ignorant of reality. And for all of your supposed morality, what you wind up doing is you unintentionally promote teen pregnancy and the spread of STDs to teens.
 
Why harm customers of Apple because our state leaders are dumb? Or why put their employees at that store out of jobs?

Agreed...while it would be a big move to prove a point, it ends up hurting too many more - the employees of the stores, anyone who might need service, any potential customers that may not want to have to go to Best Buy, a local dealer, or online. I think Tim Cook sharing his thoughts was enough to get the point across.
 
Since its not a normal behaviour what other options do we have?

You could stop being a prude. You don't have to partake in it but you could just accept it as a normal part of someone else's life. Should gay people see you as a pervert?
 
If the Christian community is serious about redressing sexual immorality, it needs to retarget to include fornication and adultery which, statistically speaking, are far more significant.

Oh, here we go. Don't legislate healthcare but legislate the heck out of who has sex with whom and when and why.
 
You seem to be assuming that sexual orientation is a behavioral issue, like something that can and should be "corrected". Sexual orientation is not something a person controls anymore than they can control the color of their skin.

I'm afraid you misunderstood. Race has no bearing on behavior. Sexual orientation does, regardless of its origin. It doesn't matter if it is 100% genetically ingrained or not (which, strictly speaking it is not, but that is beside the point). Put another way: I can't help being heterosexual, but I can help whether or not I choose to sleep with someone.

Regardless of that, you're not going to find a passage in the bible that suggests the proper thing to do when finding a homosexual in your business establishment is to demand that they leave.

Agreed. In fact, you can make the argument from I Cor 5:9ff that you should treat them like any other sinner.

Thank you. Exactly. The idea that the discriminators are being discriminated against because they can't discriminate is...really grasping for straws.

Or it is the wheel just turning. You now have homosexuals actively discriminating against Christians because of their beliefs (happened to an military Chaplain recently where he was fired because he told a homosexual what the Bible said ... sorry but I don't have the article link handy).
 
And this is why things won't improve anytime soon on the teen pregnancy, sex trafficking or STD side of things: sex has lost its sanctity. It is considered merely a bodily function with no social responsibility attached to its indulgence beyond obtaining consent (to the best of ones knowledge) (and maybe a condom) before enjoy it.

Nothing to do with education, or lack of, then?
 
At the same time, that kind of mentality is not limited to those individuals in the homosexual community. I believe that there are many groups who have the same kind of mentality. And it is often a mentality that denounces judicial activism, while at the same time calling on and using that same philosophy to get what is wanted at the expense of the foundation of our Republic.

This is basically what most special-interest groups do. It's also hilarious to watch the partisans on Team Red and Team Blue discuss judicial decisions that affect politically charged cases. When it's in their favor, the judge is "courageously standing up for what's right and just". When it's not, they talk about "extremist judges legislating from the bench and circumventing the will of the people".
 
Oh, here we go. Don't legislate healthcare but legislate the heck out of who has sex with whom and when and why.

Nope, not interested in legislating who can sleep with whom. That doesn't work. And for the record, I think universal healthcare is a laudable goal (Jesus certainly didn't turn away anyone who asked to be healed), but not if it is run by an entity so inept that it can't properly run a website. We need a 3rd option.
 
Agreed. In fact, you can make the argument from I Cor 5:9ff that you should treat them like any other sinner.
I of course take issue with the word "sinner", but yes. Which is why what's most upsetting about this bill to me is that they dressed it up as a religious issue, when the bible would teach anything but. It should have been named the "Intolerance and Unacceptance Freedom Law".
 
Why harm customers of Apple because our state leaders are dumb? Or why put their employees at that store out of jobs?

At some point, we need to recognize that our elected government were put there by the people. If your elected officials as dumb, its not their fault. Its your fault (not individually but collectively) that you elected him in the first place.
 
Nope. He wanted to eliminate living people/groups - not merely future birth errors.

BTW, I was alive while he was doing this, so I know a bit about his intentions and methods.

Who doesn't? But he wanted a superior race to succeed did he not? His method may have just been different and more cruel.
 
You could stop being a prude. You don't have to partake in it but you could just accept it as a normal part of someone else's life.

Guys ****ing guys is not normal its just how it is. Its one thing, another thing is how you go about it. Since i don't really care how you shake your dragon I'm cool with it and others are not i think everybody got their reasons. Guys ****ing guys is not how human kind moves forward and evolution takes place. So I'm pretty sure that since its an evolutionary dead end this is not a normal behaviour. But whatever is best for you i don't really care. Live and let live.

Should gay people see you as a pervert?

They can't even if they wanted.
 
At some point, we need to recognize that our elected government were put there by the people. If your elected officials as dumb, its not their fault. Its your fault (not individually but collectively) that you elected him in the first place.

Well no. If this was the truth, no-one would get elected as we can't trust elected officials to keep to their word or only deliver on the policies they campaigned with. It's only after they get put into office do you see their real agenda, not the sales pitch.

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If you were honest with yourself, yes.

I'm not gay. I also don't think gay people are perverts.
 
Nope, not interested in legislating who can sleep with whom. That doesn't work. And for the record, I think universal healthcare is a laudable goal (Jesus certainly didn't turn away anyone who asked to be healed), but not if it is run by an entity so inept that it can't properly run a website. We need a 3rd option.

This entire thread is about state legislation that works to single out gay people on the basis of sexual orientation.

If you want to go lock yourself in a room with a bunch of your congregants and preach to each other about the immorality of your sexual behavior, knock yourself out. Just keep it out of our laws.
 
This is basically what most special-interest groups do. It's also hilarious to watch the partisans on Team Red and Team Blue discuss judicial decisions that affect politically charged cases. When it's in their favor, the judge is "courageously standing up for what's right and just". When it's not, they talk about "extremist judges legislating from the bench and circumventing the will of the people".

Overall, that is what is happening.

In my opinion, the biggest threat to this Republic is not judicial activism (although I detest it along with the unquestioning (overall) use of Stare decisis). The biggest threat to the Republic is "We The People" by the use of the mindset you elaborated on.
 
With regards to teen pregnancy and STDs, you know what is incredibly effective? Education on safe sex. You know what is not effective? Abstinence only lectures.

Agreed that abstinence only lectures are ineffective. But I think you are selling the approach short. Even more effective than a "safe sex" society would be one that holds sex as something sacred, with a proper context of expression and encourages one another to adhere to the ideal instead of filling our music and movies with relentless lies that "safe sex" will eliminate all risk of STDs or unplanned pregnancy. But sadly, most people don't want to live in that society, so we will always have a body count. And even in societies that profess this approach, there are always cheaters.

You have an unhealthy view on sex.
Interesting value judgement.

For you, sex is a sin and is immoral if it is done for any other purpose than procreation.

Did I argue that?

You think somehow your view is morally superior than everyone else's.
Again, another value judgement.

The fact is, your view is ignorant of history and it is ignorant of reality. And for all of your supposed morality, what you wind up doing is you unintentionally promote teen pregnancy and the spread of STDs to teens.

Or perhaps the problem is not that Christian sexual mores have been tried and found wanting, but that they have not been tried at all.

I lived in complete abstinence for 25 years (by God's grace) before I married. Astoundingly, I didn't contract any STDs or get anyone pregnant.
 
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At some point, we need to recognize that our elected government were put there by the people. If your elected officials as dumb, its not their fault. Its your fault (not individually but collectively) that you elected him in the first place.
Not entirely. Some 25% of the state legislators won the November 2014 election solely based on the fact that they ran unopposed. Watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIMgfBZrrZ8
 
This entire thread is about state legislation that works to single out gay people on the basis of sexual orientation.

If you want to go lock yourself in a room with a bunch of your congregants and preach to each other about the immorality of your sexual behavior, knock yourself out. Just keep it out of our laws.

It seems you will have your way.
 
I've never known a disrespectful Christian or Muslim, but I know plenty of disrespectful atheists like you who complain. Though most of them are respectful.

You seem to have missed my point. Respect is something that needs to be earned.

The Qur'an says all non-muslims deserve to be burned over and over forever and the Bible is not much better.

These religious texts can only be described as hate-speech directed at non-belevers.

Why should I respect hate-speech?

Should a child respect a bully?
Should a black person respect a racist?
Should a homosexual respect a homophobe?
Should a Jew respect a Nazi?

As an atheist I don't go around saying horrible things should happen to religious people, on the contrary, I see them all equally as human beings like myself. I merely point out how disingenuous the religion itself can be. I do this to encourage debate and to get people to think long and hard about the ideas that their parents taught them, just as their parents did before that.

It's difficult to think of your own parents as being wrong, but if someone had some mistaken ideas about the world in the distant past, then those mistakes would be passed down the generations. This is why it's so important to make sure what you are taught matches the evidence we find in the real world, and that there are not better, more accurate explanations to be found.
 
Guys ****ing guys is not normal its just how it is. Its one thing, another thing is how you go about it. Since i don't really care how you shake your dragon I'm cool with it and others are not i think everybody got their reasons. Guys ****ing guys is not how human kind moves forward and evolution takes place. So I'm pretty sure that since its an evolutionary dead end this is not a normal behaviour. But whatever is best for you i don't really care. Live and let live.

Normal is not the word you are looking for then. It might be more accurate to say 'ineffective for population growth'.

Considering the world has a population problem, it's not such a bad thing that many couples can't or don't want to have kids regardless of their sexual orientation. Normal can only be defined in your head for what you believe it to be. Are people born left handed normal people?

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The dictionary does a very good job on this, but you don't accept that, either.

Show me the page in the dictionary that says gay people are perverts?
 
Who doesn't? But he wanted a superior race to succeed did he not? His method may have just been different and more cruel.

No, he wanted two things. First, he wanted the Aryan Race to be supreme and uncorrupted with inferior blood. Second, he wanted to eliminate particular groups - whether they were German or not, because he saw them as a threat.

His motives had nothing to do with improving the general human genome.
 
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