When those people start pushing for legislation to outlaw heterosexual divorce and and the freedom to deny service to divorced heterosexual individuals, maybe we can start believing that their motivations are truly of religious nature. Seems to me God and Jesus had a thing or two to say about that, as well.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Speaks Out Against Indiana's 'Religious Freedom' Law
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The ones that preach religion and have loudest voices are often the biggest sinners.
My apologies for using an imprecise term. I was referring to those who do not practice Christianity (and yes, my use of the term "irreligious" could include many people who label themselves as Christians).
I applaud your ethics in regards to your marriage. And I would certainly prefer gay people to be monogamous than not.
I don't know what personal ethics have to do with mythology as I wasn't talking about mythology.
So here's the truth. You don't know of any studies and have made no effort to find any. The burden of proof is on the other side, right? But you can make statements that there is no proof.
Did you choose to be straight? Do you remember making that decision? Did you ever weigh up the pros and the cons of both and make an informed decision that straight is the way for you? Or was it possible that your sexual preference was not actually a decision you made but made genetically? If 1 child out of 6 in a family is gay even though they had the same up bringing and went to the same schools, how did they become gay?
Sadly, very true. Fortunately, the contrary is also often true: some who loudly preach religion are very godly.
Actually, that was just one part of what he did; he also stated he would refuse to follow Navy policy if it conflicted with his faith. He failed to carry out his ministerial duties as expected of a Military Chaplain and imposed his beliefs on others, something that is contrary to one of the requirements for being a chaplain:
- Are sensitive to religious pluralism and able to provide for the free exercise of religion by all military personnel and their Family members
He chose to impress his beliefs on members who sought his counsel and thus was in the wrong. Why is religious pluralism important? Often the only available Chaplain may be of a different faith and thus they must be able and willing to carry out ministerial duties in a manner that helps and comforts the person, not pass judgement on them based on their beliefs.
Here is a link:
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/03/10/chaplain-fired/24699275/
If you do not think that homosexuality is a perversion, then, no, you do not accept the definition of perversion - merely your version of it.
The entire debate is messed up. I applaud the ideal of a nation with Christian values, but legislation won't get us that kind of nation. We have to want it in the first place and by and large the American people don't.
It doesn't matter. Evolution is about survival of the fittest and if homosexuality becomes the winner (as it is growing in percentage), then it will be dictate our evolution progression. Maybe humans will cease to exist, maybe men and women will grow two sets of reproductive organs (not an unknown thing to happen in this day and age).
How the **** should i know. I wasn't following him 24/7. If i was i might tell you. There is 1000 and 1 reason why.
Someone early on in this thread asked how it would be possible for an employee to discern whether someone is gay/lesbian or not. It's really quite simple. This bill is to protect small local businesses run by Christian, Jews, Muslims or what have you. More specifically small local businesses which service wedding by providing flowers, decorations, cakes/baked good, and photography/video. We're not talking about large publicly traded corporations like Wal-Mart or Target or Loblaw (Canada). Those large businesses have shareholders to answer to. The small private business does not.
As a Christian if I was running a small private business providing any one of the services mentioned above I would do so based on the Word of God (Bible) and my Christian convictions and conscience. Therefore if a gay/lesbian couple asked me to service their "wedding" I would politely decline and suggest an alternative business they could go to. As a small business owner I would have that right. If they wanted something for any other occasion I would have no issue serving them. But I could not partake in their "wedding" as I believe God's design for marriage is between one man and one woman.
Marriage is not simply a religious institution. It was created by God with Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 before the fall in Genesis 3. No "religion" of any kind existed back then. Marriage was/is designed by God as between one man and one woman. Two equal, yet distinctly different, yet complimentary halves who come together and create a whole. It's someone that can never be achieved with gay "marriage".
As a Christian if I was running a small private business providing any one of the services mentioned above I would do so based on the Word of God (Bible) and my Christian convictions and conscience. Therefore if a gay/lesbian couple asked me to service their "wedding" I would politely decline and suggest an alternative business they could go to. As a small business owner I would have that right. If they wanted something for any other occasion I would have no issue serving them. But I could not partake in their "wedding" as I believe God's design for marriage is between one man and one woman.
Marriage is not simply a religious institution. It was created by God with Adam and Eve in Genesis 2 before the fall in Genesis 3. No "religion" of any kind existed back then. Marriage was/is designed by God as between one man and one woman. Two equal, yet distinctly different, yet complimentary halves who come together and create a whole. It's someone that can never be achieved with gay "marriage".
I read the article you linked and it includes more information than the one I read. Thanks for finding this. Clearly I used a poor example. The Chaplain, as much as I agree with his moral position as regards sex, expressed his beliefs inappropriately in the context of his job.
I'm much more concerned about what happened with blacks and other racial minorities happening with homosexuals. That is, it would mean that everyone would discriminate against heterosexuals. Right now, there's an overzealous "witch hunt" for racists, and separately, there are programs in place that discriminate against whites (and often eastern Asians) in order to give minorities an artificial upper hand. I'm all for equal rights, but it's easy for these things to go beyond that. Also, people who discriminate against whatever group it is make the problem worse.
Edit: I remember when someone stuck a "gay pride" sticker on me and other people in high school. Not wanting to have anything to do with the debate or wanting to wear any kind of political slogan, I took it off, and then people started accusing me of things. Sheesh.
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Here is my religious quote for the discussion:
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
- Matthew 7:5 (But it was Jesus speaking...)
Another is from a bumper sticker, quoted by Dieter F. Uchtdorf:
"Please do not be angry with me if my sins are not the same as yours."
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
- Matthew 7:5 (But it was Jesus speaking...)
Another is from a bumper sticker, quoted by Dieter F. Uchtdorf:
"Please do not be angry with me if my sins are not the same as yours."
Newsflash: Apple operates stores in Indiana.
No, it is giving people the right to discriminate based on their religious beliefs. Thats the whole purpose of these laws cropping up all of the sudden, as perfectly demonstrated by the fact that Georgia version of the law was just tabled because of a simple amendment that ensured it could not be used to circumvent existing state and local anti-discrimination laws.
Deletion of a single gene switches the sexual orientation of female mice
http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2010/07/15/researchers-create-lesbian-mice/
Well yeah since i might say i didn't become straight i was born one the opposite must also be true. Sorry doesn't work that way not with dragon shaking at least.
As I said earlier, this legislation as far more reaching than that. As I understand it, it would allow any business to deny any individual service simply for being born gay. If they wanted a law protecting businesses from specifically partaking in gay weddings (whether that be hosting the reception or providing they flowers), then they should have draft that bill instead.
How many divorced heterosexual customers seeking services for their second or third marriage would your theoretical business also decline?
You are correct - I should have (again) stated Aryan Race.
Ask Mother Nature Put a group of homosexuals and lesbians on an isolated island, and see what eventuates after, say, a hundred years.
I'm aware of this study which has no relevance to human sexual behaviour. It's in the article too.
It is very easy for things to go too far the other way. While it turns out that I used a poor example with the Chaplain (see post above), I fear that reverse discrimination is inevitable in regards to Christians. We are going to be increasingly expected to show what amounts to tacit approval for homosexual behavior. We already have to do that for fornication and adultery.
Here is a concrete example: When I have a coworker show me picture of her fiancé and it is another girl, how am I supposed to react? I can't be happy about it. That is against my religious beliefs. At the same time I don't want to cause a rift in our working relationship. You see the problem? (In my real life example, I merely said, "Okay" and changed the subject. From a Christian point of view, I'm not sure if even that was the appropriate response.)
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