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practically every relationship i've had with a woman has been unhealthy. They are always after our essence...

And i'm a man.

Sex is only dirty if you are doing it right... ;)

group capt. Lionel mandrake: Uh, jack, jack, listen... Tell me, tell me, jack. When did you first... Become... Well, develop this theory?

general jack d. Ripper: [somewhat embarassed] well, i, uh... I... I... First became aware of it, mandrake, during the physical act of love.

group capt. Lionel mandrake: Hmm.

general jack d. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... A feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily i... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

group capt. Lionel mandrake: Hmm.

general jack d. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, mandrake.​

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You mean, of course, hypocritical intervention.

Yes, evolution will decide. Either removal of the cause, or hermaphrodites will be the new species. But that is then, this is now - with all its perversion.

Do you even know what a hermaphrodite is?

The clearest example of a hermaphrodite is my local politician. I am constantly telling him to go screw himself. Yes, a hermaphrodite has BOTH genders, 'naughty bits'. Yes, they can, in rare instances, screw themselves. Yes I mean that if they spent more time actually screwing themselves, they would be hopefully too busy to concentrate on screwing us! And not just about installing hatred into codified law...

But anyway...

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Sexual abuse might not come from the family. Maybe its something else.

A catholic priest?
 
Do you even know what a hermaphrodite is?

The clearest example of a hermaphrodite is my local politician. I am constantly telling him to go screw himself. Yes, a hermaphrodite has BOTH genders, 'naughty bits'. Yes, they can, in rare instances, screw themselves. Yes I mean that if they spent more time actually screwing themselves, they would be hopefully too busy to concentrate on screwing us! And not just about installing hatred into codified law...

But anyway...

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A catholic priest?

Oh yes.
 
I can't talk about the Bible, but you really do need to look into your understanding of the Koran, how it was "revealed" and recorded, and it's content. From what you have written above, you really don't seem to have any idea about this.

I am fully aware of the 'claim' that the Koran was "revealed", that doesn't mean it actually was. The impression I get when reading it is of a child having an argument with his friends over who's dad is strongest. The difference being that the other children are the Christians and Jews and the fathers in question are Yahweh and Allah. Clearly the person or people writing the Koran got hold of a Bible and copied the stories, changing the God and a few of the characters to suit their own needs and to promote their own opinions. It really is playground stuff, only a few paragraphs in and the author can't resist gleefully describing the horrible things that will to happen to those who don't join his club.

I imagine the inspiration for writing the thing was some warlord recognising the power Christianity had to control gullible people. After all it destroyed the invincible Roman empire with a few plagiarised stories from Mesopotamia and the hero character Jesus. So they invented Mohammed and wrote the Koran to gain similar power for themselves.
 
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Next they are going pass legislation to allow refusing service to blacks, Jews, unwed mothers, foreigners, and the list goes on...
 
Aryan people are from the India and Iran nothing like what germans looked like.

As for the Gay people on a island with lesbians they would do just fine. I'm sure they would find a way to get pregnant because gay people do adopt children. They would probably be more successful than a bunch of christians trapped on an Ilsand


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/why-are-there-gay-men_n_1590501.html

When used in Europe, Aryan is understood to refer to the Nazis, as that is the most prominent use of the term. Aryan (first race) is a mythological term in reality.

Huffinton Post!!!???? Seriously??

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I mean a man not having to put his penis into a woman for a baby to be born. If 90% of babies are born gay in the future, it might mean a trip to the shops to get a bottle of some dudes finest so that another gay, healthy and active member of society can be born. It might even be a better way to go, but that's for another discussion.

You are really reaching there - that has nothing to do with Mother Nature - now. Today, we have normal and abnormal. It is what it is.

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Other than genetics being the most likely reason?? Oh the ignorance.

I view that statement to be in the same vein as AGW grant-chasing "scientists".

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Do you even know what a hermaphrodite is?

The clearest example of a hermaphrodite is my local politician. I am constantly telling him to go screw himself. Yes, a hermaphrodite has BOTH genders, 'naughty bits'. Yes, they can, in rare instances, screw themselves. Yes I mean that if they spent more time actually screwing themselves, they would be hopefully too busy to concentrate on screwing us! And not just about installing hatred into codified law...

But anyway...

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A catholic priest?

Yes, I do know - and your take on it is excellent! :)
 
This seems like a slippery slope. Not for Apple, but Indiana. Crazy that in 2015, this is passed.

What's crazy is that in 2015, there is such hate and intolerance in our society towards religious freedom, and in particular towards Christians. The gay agenda is going to be looked back on as a 21st century remix of Jim Crow laws. While the gay/liberal/atheist corner of society talks a big talk about "tolerance" and "diversity", they ridicule and attack anyone who doesn't goose step to their narrow ideology.

Pray tell, how is a Christian who believes homosexual behavior is morally wrong, any different from a vegan who believes eating meat is morally wrong? Are vegans a bunch of "bigots"? Are vegans a bunch of omnivore haters? Should a vegan restaurant owner be sued for refusing to serve meat to an omnivore? Homosexuality, just like veganism, is a learned behavior. A choice. Not an inherent trait. No one is born gay, and no one is born vegan.

I think starting in 2016, we'll begin to see a reversal of the social regressions of these awful Obama years. As more and more of the gay agenda's hateful intolerance comes into view, I'm confident more states will follow Indiana's courageous lead, and adopt similar measures.
 
Around the world, we strive to treat every customer the same -- regardless of where they come from, how they worship or who they love. - Tim Cook (@tim_cook) March 27, 2015
I wish everyone was like this everywhere in the world. On internet forums especially. Having topics on forums that are not commentable on by all just screams discrimination.

Is this what Tim Cook would want for internet forums?
The answer to this question is no. He would want better. And so would I.

This is one reason why I respect Tim Cook a lot.
 
I wish everyone was like this everywhere in the world. On internet forums especially. Having topics on forums that are not commentable on by all just screams discrimination.

Is this what Tim Cook would want for internet forums?
The answer to this question is no. He would want better. And so would I.

This is one reason why I respect Tim Cook a lot.

You mean - censorship?
 
I see what you're saying, but your interpretation is incorrect. I don't mean that to be condescending, and I'm not speaking from personal opinion but from deep familiarity with the case law interpreting the religion clauses.

This law does not favor any religion over another, at least not as the courts have interpreted the establishment clause. It creates a rule that applies equally to all religions, allowing persons of any faith to express that faith if they so choose. It would be a stunning departure from Establishment Clause precedent to hold that this law is constitutionally problematic.

As for "segregating a portion of society for removal of rights," I can't agree with that either. I've said this before, but it bears repeating because it's not very well understood: there is no general right to be free from discrimination. Maybe there should be, but there just isn't. You can be discriminated against because you're fat or thin, tall or short, beautiful or ugly, own a dog or don't own a dog, or for any other reason except a reason specifically deliniated in a state or federal statute, such as race, gender, ethnicity, age (in some cases), religion, disabilityetc. These are called "protected classes." Sexual orientation is not a protected class under Federal anti-discrimination laws -- though as I said earlier, EEOC has, as a matter of policy,equated it with sex for employment purposes.

Freedom 'of' religion also includes the right not to have a religion.

By suggesting that a state statue is constitutional that ignores the idea that freedom 'of' religion does not preclude someone choosing 'no' religion is ignorant of the intent of the first amendment.

They were coming from a country that REQUIRED adherence to a specific religion, or some other 'approved' religion. The idea of having to believe, or be shunned, jailed, and tortured, was driving a lot of the need to leave England.

To come to a 'New Land', and then enshrine a national religion is ridiculous.

The 'intent' was to limit religion and its entanglements with politics. To not have one religion 'win' over any others. It was to not have one religion, or a subset of all religions, seek to corral and discriminate against one group of people.

The only exemption to that was for slavery, but that was a separate issue at the time.

So, sure, keep declaring it legal.

Their new hatred based law has as much of a chance at surviving a SCOTUS examination as a law passed to do the same to red heads, or people with green eyes. It's patently unconstitutional.

Although, I do have to add that THIS supreme court could actually throw all common sense to the wind and side with this crazy law, and it would make it legal. For now...

Hell, segregation was deemed legal by one supreme court, only to have that decision overturned by the next one.

The law is 'fluid' in this country, and it actually gives me hope. Hope that sanity will win the day...
 
So basically, Tim Cook is being intolerant of others who are being intolerant.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

Tim Cook really should just concentrate on making iPhones, iPads and iWatches. What better way to bring the world together instead of dividing it.
 
If you're refering to the post count needed to post in the PSRI forum on macrumors, take it from one who has been here a dozen years - you won't get a better discussion but opening it to all, you'll just get a massive troll-fest where nothing useful is said, much less listened to.

If you don't believe me, take a look at the comment section on any political story posted on any major news outlet. by having a post count, macrumors ensures that commenters are, at least minimally, invested in being part of the "community." It's not a perfect system by any means, but it, with the mods helping out, keeps out the worst of the trolling and vitriole.

MR have an excellent moderation team. They can handle it. And you shouldn't automatically assume MR's comment section is as troll filled as all the rest on other fan sites. It's a bigger issue then just the required post count. But I can say no more on the subject.

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Heh! Good comeback! :)
Nice reply :) But this is not a comeback. I really can't go into too much depth on this topic in the general forums. You could say the ramifications to myself if I chose to do this would be quite severe.
 
Unhealthy childhood relationships with females for one, sexual abuse amongst other things.

Okay, one: when you refer to women as "females", it sounds incredibly demeaning (as would referring to men as "males" for that matter). And two, I find it amazing how the fact that women can be gay too so often seemed to get ignored in arguments like yours.
 
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# These people are STILL living in the dark age, so sad for fools # in these states. Oh well, the world is marching on and forward # and they're going backwards #
 
Or perhaps the problem is not that Christian sexual mores have been tried and found wanting, but that they have not been tried at all.

I lived in complete abstinence for 25 years (by God's grace) before I married. Astoundingly, I didn't contract any STDs or get anyone pregnant.

Are you kidding?

Henry the VIII had Christian morals. Was he faithful to Catherine of Aragon? And how did those Christian values work out for his successive wives? And which part of those Christian values were the Catholic church leaning on when they continually let priests molest children? Serious questions.

Christians have been exporting their values all over the world for over 1500 years, whether people have wanted it or not. And here is a very small sample of what has happened when overzealous Christians forced their values and morals to others:

- Mass killings of pagans
- Murdered Hypatia
- 200 years worth of crusades in the middle east
- Witch hunts and burnings at the stake
- Countless natives killed or subjugated to convert to christian values in North and Central America and really, all over the world.

Up until the middle 20th century, the southern baptist convention, currently the largest protestant body in the US, espoused their Christian view of segregation and white supremacy.

While I believe that Christian morals and values are good, Christians mot always. Actually, frequently, they are not.
 
While I don't agree with discrimination, isn't it the right of any bussiness owner to refuse to serve any customer for any reason? I don't see why they need to put this into law, the whole thing is ridiculous.
 
You are really reaching there - that has nothing to do with Mother Nature - now. Today, we have normal and abnormal. It is what it is.

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I view that statement to be in the same vein as AGW grant-chasing "scientists".

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Not reaching. If you are only prepared to believe that homosexuality is a choice, you have no need to be concerned about homosexuality winning in evolution. As it is now, it's normal for same sex relationships to exist. It's just denied as acceptable by the loudest of those that are different to it which actually makes them a minority.

I have no reason to push for money to be injected into scientific research for the purpose of discovering if homosexuality is genetic or not. You might though. There is a stronger case for it than it being 'external factors' as another posters said, which was purely finger in the ears refusal to accept nature as being the reason for homosexuality. The way people are born does not make them perverts. They have differences just like different races are different. An open to interpretation quote from the bible does not make gay discrimination ok where racism is bad.
 
While I don't agree with discrimination, isn't it the right of any bussiness owner to refuse to serve any customer for any reason? I don't see why they need to put this into law, the whole thing is ridiculous.
In the U.S., an owner does not have the legal right to refuse service to someone for any reason.

Personally speaking, I think a business owner should be able to refuse service for any reason. And if an owner wants to act in a racist manner etc., the market should take action and make his business suffer a painful death, by banding together and boycotting the business. Conversely, positive action with an equitable belief should be rewarded. Unfortunately, a lot of "We The People" are nothing more than authoritarians who seek to use the long arm of the government as a weapon of force against others, just because the belief(s) of some of their fellow Americans isn't popular (read: progressive).

Ideally, people should not try and use government as a weapon of force in such a manner, in my opinion. All that does is create more laws and what people end up doing, is exchanging freedom and liberty for perceived comfort by the government. In my opinion, too many people see the government as the parent they never had, or they see the government as a lending institution or an insurance company. And this kind of onerous environment bastardizes the foundation of the Republic and further perverts it into a government where the people believe that their rights come from the very entity that is supposed to serve them.
 
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