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It appears like it already has, I'm sure the states passing these are because of the bakery that got sued, and lost, for not baking a wedding cake for gays.

I'm not taking sides, just saying it's been happening after that.

Super religous people should not open public businesses. Become a priest or something.
 
Please show me where i said they decide? I said its due to external factors. Don't twist my words.

What are these external factors? Shock treatment? If you don't want your very limited words on this to be twisted, tell us more about what you believe. External factors ffs. Alien abduction? Ignorance can only get you so far.
 
Germans where not Aryan as most Aryan people Have dark skin and brown eyes.

The separated lesbian and gay communities would do just fine as homosexuality is normal and even has advantages over heterosexual in some cases.

The Nazis saw themselves as Aryan (first race), but I used the term to define the Germanic Race, which included both light and dark hair in its various tribes.

Until they all die out. Not my idea of evolutionary success.
 
What are these external factors? Shock treatment? If you don't want your very limited words on this to be twisted, tell us more about what you believe. External factors ffs. Alien abduction? Ignorance can only get you so far.

Unhealthy childhood relationships with females for one, sexual abuse amongst other things.
 
Please show me where i said they decide? I said its due to external factors. Don't twist my words.

Yeah, that's true, when I see another woman's exterior, I have the tendency to admire it, and in some cases become sexually aroused. Like every other lesbian, bi/pan woman.

The external factor being that women are sexy to us.
 
They'd probably die off after a long healthy life. It's not relevant though. Survival of the fittest does not necessarily mean that the human race will survive many changes to evolution. If homosexuality keeps growing and becomes the new majority, that could be our fate. Or we could evolve to adapt such as giraffes needing a longer neck to reach the higher trees. Who knows? What you prefer to happen is irrelevant.

If you are referring to our evolving into hermaphrodites, that's not the same thing as being non-productive.
 
Yeah, that's true, when I see another woman's exterior, I have the tendency to admire it, and in some cases become sexually aroused. Like every other lesbian, bi/pan woman.

The external factor being that women are sexy to us.

When i see two sexy slutty pumpkins kissing ... well you get the idea :) The only thing I'm thinking is how to join in :D
 
Sorry, but as a lawyer, I can't agree with you there. The first amendment doesn't have a "freedom of religion" clause. Rather, it has two separate religion clauses, which can be at odds with each other: the free exercise clause (which I suspect is being used at least in part as justification for this law), and the establishment clause, which I think is what you're saying this violates.

But although I am not defending the law, I don't think it even comes close to violating the establishment clause. This law neither favors one religion over another (and wouldn't it be fun to see, say, Muslims use it in ways that infuriate the right?) nor requires anyone to comply with any religious principle or belief whatsoever.

You have no right to be free from the religious expression of private parties, no matter how odious you find their beliefs.

The 'establishment clause' does not allow for the passing of any law that recognizes a religion. ANY religion.


The Establishment Clause is a limitation placed upon the United States Congress preventing it from passing legislation respecting an establishment of religion. The second half of the Establishment Clause inherently prohibits the government from preferring any one religion over another; which tends to allow for a greater harmony amongst all of the many denominations in the United States. While the Establishment Clause does prohibit Congress from preferring or elevating one religion over another, still it does not prohibit the government's entry into religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.​

Since many religions DO support gay marriage, and have no issues with gays, the State if Indiana directly supported a religion by passing this law therefore violating the establishment clause.

Either way, the State on Indiana just did what Sharia Law would have done. They have segregated a portion of our current society for the removal of their rights. There is nothing constitutional about that.

Listen, I'm not a fan of gays, or gay sex, but since I am not the former, and don't engage in the later, I really don't have a say in it.

Marriage is a merger, a 'legal construct', the legal joining of two lives, for legal benefit to each person in said merger.

I've known many gay couples that have been together for tens of years, and put many of the heterosexual marriages to shame. When we get into deciding if someone loves another person well enough to merit the award of marriage, many heterosexual marriages would be nullified.

Heck, Newt Gingrich is on his, what, third wife, maybe forth? Rush Limbaugh is on his fourth, and was arrested for attempting to smuggle hundreds of Viagra tablets to a country known for their marketing of young boy to rich men for sex.

So, try to say that gay marriage devalues 'traditional marriage'. You don't have a damn solid leg to stand on.

And 'traditional marriage' isn't even the same as it was in those much lusted after 'biblical times'. It's been redefined many times.

Indiana, and potentially Alabama, are departing on a dangerous course. Incorporating hatred, intolerance, and bigotry, is no way to run a state, or a country. Well, unless you want to install Sharia Law in the United States.

Because if nothing else I say sinks in, think about what could be next.

Making smoking illegal? Drinking? (Oh, they can think of doing that again, especially if hatred and bigotry are installing in state laws and constitutions) Extramarital sex? Sex toys? Walking with anyone not related, or married to a woman?

Sound familiar?

Be careful...
 
Unhealthy childhood relationships with females for one, sexual abuse amongst other things.

And in a family of 6 kids that I mentioned before where these is no favourite child or no sexual abuse, how could there be a gay child? You wanted to see acceptable analysis that homosexuality is not genetics but offer very little to prove your own argument. You've pretty much said that anything could be the reason, but not genetics. You're not a real doctor, are you?
 
The Nazis saw themselves as Aryan (first race), but I used the term to define the Germanic Race, which included both light and dark hair in its various tribes.

Until they all die out. Not my idea of evolutionary success.

Aryan people are from the India and Iran nothing like what germans looked like.

As for the Gay people on a island with lesbians they would do just fine. I'm sure they would find a way to get pregnant because gay people do adopt children. They would probably be more successful than a bunch of christians trapped on an Ilsand


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/why-are-there-gay-men_n_1590501.html
 
And in a family of 6 kids that I mentioned before where these is no favourite child or no sexual abuse, how could there be a gay child? You wanted to see acceptable analysis that homosexuality is not genetics but offer very little to prove your own argument. You've pretty much said that anything could be the reason, but not genetics. You're not a real doctor, are you?

Sexual abuse might not come from the family. Maybe its something else.
 
If you are referring to our evolving into hermaphrodites, that's not the same thing as being non-productive.

I didn't say our future is going to be non-productive. I'm saying that evolution doesn't say it has our back. What happens happens. If we develop what we need to survive or we die off because of not being able to survive in environment, it's evolutions call. We don't have a backroom deal with it.
 
Yes it can. Men and women do not need to have sex for babies to be born. If more and more babies are born gay, evolution decides what happens next.

You mean, of course, hypocritical intervention.

Yes, evolution will decide. Either removal of the cause, or hermaphrodites will be the new species. But that is then, this is now - with all its perversion.
 
You mean, of course, hypocritical intervention.

Yes, evolution will decide. Either removal of the cause, or hermaphrodites will be the new species. But that is then, this is now - with all its perversion.

I mean a man not having to put his penis into a woman for a baby to be born. If 90% of babies are born gay in the future, it might mean a trip to the shops to get a bottle of some dudes finest so that another gay, healthy and active member of society can be born. It might even be a better way to go, but that's for another discussion.
 
Unhealthy childhood relationships with females for one, sexual abuse amongst other things.

Practically every relationship I've had with a woman has been unhealthy. They are always after our essence...

And I'm a man.

Sex is only dirty if you are doing it right... ;)

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen... tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: [somewhat embarassed] Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.​
 
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