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But this generation of entitled consumers is just so used to seeing new stuff every other year that they get bored when Apple does not deliver something "awesome, amazing, revolutionary" twice a year.
Quite true. The flip side is that these consumers are so superficial that a new color will make them happy.
 
his stage presence is the worst and the way he talks is soporific just like the arguments he pulls every year
 
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"We've got great innovation in the pipeline. New iPhones that will incentivize you and other people that have iPhones today to upgrade to new iPhones."

Sure Tim. Just not including the pending iPhone 7, right?
 
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Sure, Tim. Whatever you say.

Why do you say that?

Do you, for example, disagree with his attributing the perceived sales dip to an abnormally high upgrade rate in late 2014 and 2015 as people upgraded to the iPhone 6?

That much seems blindingly obvious - its a complete mystery to me why so called expert analysts seem to be ignoring that simple fact.
 
Gotta love the financially and market illiterate trolls on this forum. What he's saying is beyond true and you know it. There's a network effect, people. The first few iPods didn't sell like crazy at first. It took a few iterations. Same with the iPhone. Same with Macs and the Apple brand as a whole.

Apple is heavily investing in the next stage of technology and you guys are too stupid to even acknowledge it.

Everybody at and around Apple, from the executives and employees to business partners and long-term stock-holders will be making a wealth from this company; meanwhile you guys will be complaining about Apple on a forum with their devices. Good luck.
Spoken like a BlackBerry defender back in 2007. Not comparing RIM to Apple, but this is now a very different company under Tim Cook, and nothing is guaranteed moving forward. You seem smart enough to realize this.
 
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The truth is, there really isn't much more they can do with iPhone technology besides making devices faster. Yes ok, all glass would be nice. But what more do we really NEED in a smartphone?
 
If Apple's iPhone sales were slowing because everyone was buying a competitors product, you'd be right. "Profits don't matter, Apple are fading into irrelevance like Microsoft did." This is not what's happening. This is "We love the products you've sold us Apple, but previously you've wowed us, and we want that to happen again."

Have you seen the Samsung Galaxy 7? I won't change, but outside of the US, that model is En Fuego.
 
The only complaint I can agree with is that macs are stale as hell. But that's mostly on Intel.

I call BS. Dell and HP have had Skylake machines for seven months now.
Broadwell has been out even longer.
I bought my daughter a Haswell MBP when she went to college. She is now a senior.
This has nothing to do with Intel and everything to do with a neglectful Tim Cook.
 
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So you called everyone here idiots, while actually not adding any of your own analysis/thoughts on the matter. is that investment, non upgradable macs, 5400rpm drives, soldered components.....please give is some higher intelligence insight, that we are missing......you may find the average IQ on so forum a lot higher!
I apologized later in the thread. I should have used "self centered".

Also in the thread I have at least 2 posts with analysis. If interested, pease read. Thanks.
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Your difficulty with learning does not alter facts.
What facts? You barely wrote a supported opinion.

Regardless, Enjoy your day.
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Spoken like a BlackBerry defender back in 2007. Not comparing RIM to Apple, but this is now a very different company under Tim Cook, and nothing is guaranteed moving forward. You seem smart enough to realize this.
Never owned Blackberry. And I'm all for disruption. But everything matures. I'm removing my consumer hat and putting on my business management hat:

Apple can only be so disruptive at such a rate. There are realities of innovation. For example, if you improve and innovate eye glasses, how many features and changes can you make year after year? That rate, which was high in the beginning, is going to slow down. Which is when a company should introduce a new product category, and enter a new market. Apple has grown by that method. When something slows down, they introduce a new category. Macs to Laptops to iMacs to iPods to services (iTunes) to iPhones to iPads. Last year they shipped the Apple Watch. Every few years you'll see Apple introduce new categories. They can't do it every year. Remember, they just introduced Apple Watch, and that category will grow as it did with iPhone, iPod, and so on.

I'm speaking in terms of company growth.

Putting my consumer hat back on: I would like Apple to make smaller flagship phones, make a laptop that works with Apple Pencil, drop 16gb, reduce prices, etc.

But just because I don't get what I want doesn't mean Tim Cook is dooming the company or Apple isn't innovating anymore. I can separate my desires from reality of business and innovation.
 
You are so right. How dare people want something exciting for their money. They should shut up and buy a rose gold Macbook.
Computers are first and foremost tools, but some people see them as fashion statements and regularly want a new look just for the new look's sake. And yes, these very people should buy a rose gold MacBook and shut up.
 
Going back over the past few years of Apple keynotes, exciting, passionate, innovative are not words that immediatly spring to mind. Tired? I can see them awkwardly trying to feign excitement but it just looks embarrassing or we end up with a U2 moment.

The SurfaceBook was the last truly, "Holy Feck" moment and that was MS channeling all of Steve Jobs into an epic show.

Sadly, I think that pretty much sums up Apple at this point in time.
 
Very true. Especially when it comes to Touch ID and the version available on the iPhone 6s. It's so much faster than entering a passcode that I wonder how I lived with entering a passcode every single time I unlocked my phone. I already partially feel this way about the Apple Watch. For things like notifications and reminders, I find it very valuable.

I did away with a pass code long time ago and have not activated Touch ID. Nothing to enter.
Works just fine and I have nothing to hide.
Watch the FBI pay somebody to just click my home button to get in.
 
I call BS. Dell and HP have had Skylake machines for seven months now.
Broadwell has been out even longer.
I bought my daughter a Haswell MBP when she went to college. She is now a senior.
This has nothing to do with Intel and everything to do with a neglectful Tim Cook.
It could be that Apple is preparing a larger change with TB3 and Kaby Lake, and has decided to not waste resources on small updates in the meantime. Then again, how hard can it be to slap a Skylake into a RMBP...
 
Tim's playing defensive. That's ok. I'm allocating what little money I have to this stock in $2-3k increments per $10 drop until I've got $10-12k put in. Luckily I'm a longer term investor. I'll right this bad boy all the way to $65 if I have to. My average price is $97 so far.
 
You are so right. How dare people want something exciting for their money. They should shut up and buy a rose gold Macbook.

They should shut up and enjoy their lives and stop depending on yearly tech updates for their personal excitement and joy, because as we see, it doesnt work out and they will be disappointed. But who am I to say whats good for you?

I've seen it countless times. People expect Apple to realease something new for every single event. The "one more thing". But most of the time it doesnt happen and people are disappointed. Learn from your mistakes. The hardware that is available now is good hardware. Sure, it could be better. Sure I am not happy with how Apple is treating the mac. But I am not entitled to them cathering to my needs.

Seriously, I do enjoy new products and new tech immensely. But I am certainly not seeing a new iPhone every other year as "new tech". Those updates are simply there to keep people on their buying cycle (need->satisfaction->need etc.), have the cash flowing an improve on certain aspects with new and better solutions. But Samsung has this new edgy screen. Wow. Such screen. Many use. When really its still just an evolution on the initial iPhone, which was the stone that created the avalanche.

Keep your expectations high and be ready to be disappointed.
 
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CarPlay as an idea would have been great years ago before better products like BMW iDrive. I don't want my boring iPhone user interface replacing my car UI. Apple Pay is a also a great idea but I find myself forgetting I even have it when I go places. My watch sits at home on it's charger far away from any POS. And this fabled Apple Car... what would this replace? The "reliability" known by Toyota for 30 years? The "performance" loyalty of BMW drivers who will only drive BMW til their deathbed? The "luxury" feeling of snobby Mercedes drivers? Apple is known for bloated prices and massive margins like Porsche, but at the end of the day would a Porsche driver dump their bragging rights and female magnet to drive around an Apple? Seems like a lemon of an idea.

Strongly disagree. The system on my 2015 BMW X3 is absolutely horrible. Seriously, I won't buy or lease another BMW if it doesn't have Car Play or some other much improved system... And I really want an M2!
 
Yes, I know, which is why I said "America (for example)" and then went on to talk about market saturation here and how Apple has a plan to enter and dominate markets around the world.

Dominate what world market? They haven't got any more markets to enter into and the ones they have they are beginning to now lose in. It's a bit of a pipe dream to think they plan to dominate markets around the world. And if you are going to discuss world markets, perhaps you should use facts from world market and not your own.

Who's sales targets? Yours?

Well seeing as Apple, rather usefully, has refused to release sales figures for it's watch then you go by analysts who state so:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/31/apple-watch-sales-below-analyst-expectations/

How do you know what their sales target is? They never shared numbers AFAIK. Also, they aren't a small company trying to hit quarterly goals only. They have a 1, 3, 5, 10 year plan. Apple Watch plays into that.
  • Look, you and I are the same person when it comes to taste. I don't want the Apple Watch either in its current state. I did not buy one.
  • But you have to understand Apple is in it for a long play. How?
  • Apple is part of a supply chain. (By the way, this is Tim Cooks strength and original role at Apple.) Why is Supply Chain important?
  • Apple has a vision for a thin, instantly fast, beautifully designed and displayed Apple Watch that supports and complements the Apple ecosystem, and more importantly mega-digital lifestyle we're headed in, let alone already in. This is the watch that is so amazing you and I would buy it in a heart beat. In other words, this Apple Watch is magic.
  • Unfortunately the technology (to make that watch) did not exist 10 years ago. So Apple waited until we were close enough.
  • Apple applied enough reasonable pressure on suppliers and themselves to create the technology we have in Apple Watch Version 1. Apple knows it's not "Amazing!" but it's "good enough" for version 1.
  • Why is Version 1 important? Because Apple has to start. Start what? Start the supply chain. Apple has to start selling a product so that they can reinvest the profits of that product back into the supply chain and their company so that R&D and manufacturing dept. of all companies can innovate on a granular level and develop new tech, which makes the new watch better.
  • This is on all fronts, from battery technology, to processor, to display tech, to materials, to software, to Bluetooth, to GPS, to LTE and WIFI, to NFC, and so on. Not only does each component have to become smaller, not only does each component have to become faster, each component has to become more efficient and drain less battery. Theres a crazy universe of technology in there, designed by humans (not some AI).
  • In other words: Apple has to fund the rate of innovation, and it has to do it as a faster and more powerful way than Samsung et. al. competitors.
  • How does it do this? First by starting. Starting means it goes to the well called "early adopters." Early adopters are a small fragment of the overall market that are willing to deal with any lack of refinements and any current pain points in exchange for the chance to stay competitive or ahead of the tech curve. Early adopters fund the early growth of companies, or product devisions, or product lines.
  • Apple then takes that money, reinvests profits into creating Version 2, making it a bit better, then Version 3, and at some point in that curve, its going to make a jump to a larger market—and thats when Apple's growth in that product category explodes. You saw this maybe with iPhone 4 or iPhone 5. It's called The Chasm. You can't jump the Chasm with a version 1 product. Apple did not jump the Chasm with iPhone 1, and they didn't do it with iPod 1.
  • So for you to say that "no it will not be a success" is to ignore this model and the fact that Apple is a master at this model.
  • Anything can happen. Earth could be destroyed by an asteroid tomorrow. Samsung could announce free energy. But given the pattern of things you have not given this conversation much to disprove all the information I have given to you.
  • Again—I feel you. I didn't buy the Apple Watch either, but thats because I tend to not be an early adopter of Apple products (or anyone's products). I usually buy around the Chasm where the product becomes amazing. And that's where Apple is headed (I predict 2-3 years time)

No, we are not the same, I can tell I have different tastes as I happen to like the design of the Apple Watch so you are wrong there.
It's hardly a surprise to state Apple is in for the long term, you don't need to teach me that. It's the same as every other corporation. And it's plan is faltering whatever it may be but when you fail to update your products for 3 years, your plan is flawed.
Also their plan is failing as their iPad sales have fallen even more than the iPhone, and the iPod sales too, some great plan they have, for one device.

How exactly do YOU know what Apple's vision is for it's watch? Did you speak to Tim Cook or Jony Ive personally? A watch that is so amazing no one will buy it.
You really don't seem to understand do you? The only reason Fitbit is so successful is because it sells it's devices for fitness, because it knows no one wants a watch. Yet Apple IS selling it's device as a watch, the majority of people ditched watches a long time ago because they now have their phones, they are not going to go out and spend hundreds of pounds to buy something that they chose not to have to copy what something they already have does.
It is purely Apple hype that has sold the Apple Watch, it's sales will fall further because IMO Apple has mis-read the market for these devices.

So Apple needs to sell a product for it to reinvest into R&D, erm no it doesn't. Have they got an Apple car on the market already? Didn't realise that, and Apple's idea of R&D hardly costs the earth, making tiny design changes and getting your suppliers to make a better screen isn't ground breaking.
They have sold lots of Mac Pro's but that's not been updated for 3 years so that proves your theory as flawed too.
Apple does NOT need to sell products for R&D research.

As for your theory on vision of components, yeah that's called progress NOT vision, and Apple has NOTHING to do with that, it's components suppliers do, they make all those WiFi, GPS, LTE etc chips, not Apple.

Let me say it again, people stopped buying and wearing watches because they had a phone that told the time, they are not going to buy a watch that is expensive and does the EXACT SAME THING as their phone but on a tiny screen, when they had already stopped wearing a watch by choice.

The Apple Watch will NEVER be as successful as the iPhone based on these facts in my opinion.

In fact the sheer ideology that they are making a car potentially is a fail, they are an electronics company and have never done anything else, so they are completely changing what the company is and does, I do not know as a fact but I very much doubt Steve Jobs ever wanted Apple to build a car.
Investors will be very very nervous the day Apple launches a car, if it does, it will be interesting to see what happens over the next 5 years.
 
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