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TBH by the way I see it its not convincing me the enough in buying new apple products with the current focus that this enterprise is currently having
 
Innovation is when a company/person gives a market new access to utility. It's innovation. It didn't exist before to that market, now it does. This is separate from invention. And it's great for us that Samsung is competitive. We don't want a monopoly, we want to be as close to perfect competition as possible. It's not a cause to complain, it's a cause to celebrate.

Inovation is not taking others ideas and using them yourself in my opinion. It may be clever implementation but NOT innovation. Apple hasn't done anything for any market for some time.


About iPhone sales:
  • Why would sales drop? Hmmm... Is it because sales spike at a product launch, then drop as time goes on? (hint: yes) Why would the masses be rushing to Apple store to buy iPhone 6s this quarter, when it was released many many many months ago? How is a sales drop 7-8 months after huge sales launch mean its a flop today? Nothing in retail sales is a straight line.
  • Plus Smart Phones are at market saturation in US. Everyone who is going to buy one, has bought one, with only small niche exceptions. And theres more competition now, too. Apple is focusing on expanding channels out into the world. iPhone SE is part of that strategy, and so on. So what we're seeing today is not the entire strategic plan. Investors are all ears if Tim Cook wants to hint at a greater plan, because they want to invest if they feel confident in one.
  • Apple Watch will be a success (hitting their goals, not yours), and sales from hardware matter less moving forward anyway. Why?...
  • Apple more and more will be making money on top of hardware sales with services (Apple Pay, iCloud, iTunes Movies/TV, iTunes Music, iOS apps, Apple TV media partnerships, etc).
  • Apple's focus is not about having 100% of Americans (for example) owning Apple products. For them it's about having the top 20% of wealthy Americans owning Apple and extracting payment fees, cross sales, etc from them over a lifetime. Apple is building gardens world wide and will be harvest cash from them for a long, long time.
  • They will gladly let Samsung take the price sensitive consumers. But what they don't want is Samsung taking the upper-middle and upper class sales. So...
  • When competitors (like Samsung) so start catching up to Apple (because Apple aren't magicians—they can't out-innovate the entire competitive world at God Speed forever in each category) Apple plants a flag and defends, meanwhile investing troops to move on to the next product category (eg. Cars, Payment system, etc)
  • Apple is at war. It's not about fan-boy ism because I get plenty annoyed at Apple myself. But this MacRumors article and the content/event it references is about business. I too wish Apple would upgrade their Mac Pro and re-release a tower but the cold truth is that doing so is not going to grow a $500 Billion Company. If I were you I would save that anger for WWDC where it's more appropriate.
About me:
I'm not "supporting Apple." I have plenty of consumer complaint inside me. For example, I too want Apple to focus on Mac and laptops and the operating system. But to say that Tim Cook should say things the audience doesn't want to hear is like asking him to go to a Cat Convention and talk about chew-toys. Cats don't care about chew-toys, they care about cat-nip. Tim Cook went on CNBC to talk cat-nip to the investment community. This wasn't WWDC where the developers care about devices and software function. So why are you mad he didn't address you at this specific televised event? You aren't an investor. If you were, you would want him to talk about what you care about—growing the company financially.

Firstly, please remember there is a world outside America, smartphones have existed for years before Apple showed up and many people had them.
iPhone SE was a response to it's customers demanding a smaller iPhone and not buying the new bigger models, thus affecting sales.
Apple watch has not hit it's sales targets though, and no it will not be a success, they have to persuade multiple generations that spending a lot of money to wear a watch, (after they stopped wearing one due to their smartphone in their pocket), that copies your phone is actually very good, the smartphone already had high market penetration so people adopted that far more easily, and you need an iPhone to use an Apple Watch. People won't update their Apple watches as often as their phones either, a watch has traditionally been jewllery, hell Apple acknowledges this with it's luxury materials and ridiculously inflated prices of the Edition range, and that mindset does not update jewellery every year.

Many would consider Samsung to have long overtaken Apple at ALL levels, and even people on here that were long term Apple fans have switched.
Apple has already built it's gardens, so not sure how they will go further with these?

Perhaps you failed to notice Apple did not mention their Watch sales in their quarterly results? It was mixed in with 'others' somewhere.
It's main drive is the iPhone, plain and simple, it lost huge sales on the iPhone, a thinner model with the same design, lack of headphone port, and a new top model with a better camera is hardly going to improve that. So that could be 2 years of dropping iPhones sales, that will lose investors.
 
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You don't speak for me.
  • You're an investor?
  • And you don't want your investments to grow?
  • What do you want?
The watch is a joke, BTW.
  • I didn't buy one either.
  • I wasn't defending the functionality of the watch today.
  • The first Apple Watch is more successful than the first Apple iPhone.
  • Steve Balmer said the first Apple iPhone was a joke, too, and he was the CEO and co-founder of Microsoft.
  • I didn't buy the first iPod, first iPhone, first MacBook, first Mac, first Apple anything. But just because I make conservative buying choices doesn't mean Apple isn't leveraging early adopters and growing the product category into a serious revenue stream.
 
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Great innovation, my ass.

If by innovation we mean a new product category, we aren't going to see that soon. Apple Watch, for better or worse, was the new major product category release for the decade. We might see something else brand new shortly before 2020, but I am not holding my breath. They just don't release major new products that often.

Even though I don't own an Apple Watch, it is still an intriguing device whose potential I can easily tell has yet to be fully realized. The ability to put convenient sensors and measure health alone is fabulous.

The kind of innovation we should expect is smaller-scale. Under Tim we've come to rely on Touch ID, 3D Touch (for those of you who have sprung for the 6S), integrated services, the Apple Pencil, TrueTone, etc.

Just remember: the default state of an Apple fan is waiting.
 
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I think Tim is right in that they still have great days ahead. While we aren't seeing innovation left and right, it is occurring. CarPlay is huge and many manufacturers are using that as a key selling point to move cars. Apple Pay is huge as well and is currently changing the way we are doing purchases. The rumored Apple Car will surely have some fans. These are just things we know about. Imagine the things we don't know about like a true Apple TV?

I know some folks believe it is hip to knock a brand that has a huge following so that they can feel like a rebel. That's cool. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The thing that baffles me is if you do feel like Apple's best days have passed, why are you spending precious moments gloating on the internet when you could be more productive elsewhere?

We are mourning not gloating.
 
Inovation is not taking others ideas and using them yourself in my opinion. It may be clever implementation but NOT innovation. Apple hasn't done anything for any market for some time.




Firstly, please remember there is a world outside America, smartphones have existed for years before Apple showed up and many people had them.
iPhone SE was a response to it's customers demanding a smaller iPhone and not buying the new bigger models, thus affecting sales.
Apple watch has not hit it's sales targets though, and no it will not be a success, they have to persuade multiple generations that spending a lot of money to wear a watch that copies your phone is actually very good, the smartphone already had high market penetration so people adopted that far more easily, and you need an iPhone to use an Apple Watch. People won't update their Apple watches as often as their phones either, a watch has traditionally been jewllery, hell Apple acknowledges this with it's luxury materials and ridiculously inflated prices of the Edition range, and that mindset does not update jewellery every year.

Many would consider Samsung to have long overtaken Apple at ALL levels, and even people on here that were long term Apple fans have switched.
Apple has already built it's gardens, so not sure how they will go further with these?

Perhaps you failed to notice Apple did not mention their Watch sales in their quarterly results? It was mixed in with 'others' somewhere.
It's main drive is the iPhone, plain and simple, it lost huge sales on the iPhone, a thinner model with the same design, lack of headphone port, and a new top model with a better camera is hardly going to improve that. So that could be 2 years of dropping iPhones sales, that will lose investors.
This. Although apple has other devices to depend on...but iphone is their main flagship thing...which is devastating...and narrow sighted.
 
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TouchID is been out for awhile. Is he referring to 3D Touch? Yes Tim, that 3D Touch really changed my life it's so good that I don't even know it's there most of the time. :D
And the Photos on OSX that one is good that it replaces the Aperture.:rolleyes:
 
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This. Although apple has other devices to depend on...but iphone is their main flagship thing...which is devastating...and narrow sighted.

All your eggs in one basket, and those eggs are currently falling out of the basket at a fast rate. Not a brilliant business plan for long term investment when your chosen market is extremely cut throat, IMO.
 
The lack of a headphone jack in 7 just to make it water proof is pure lunacy and crazy. Another example of what Apple wants not what the customer wants. Again They will vote with their feet and sales will suffer.


My whole family has a ton of different Sennheiser headphones and audiophiles laugh at Beats. I even have a small tube amp that goes to my studio monitor headphones from the phone, pod and pad.


What the world does not need now is another adapter. It won't increase Beats sales - just hack off the customer base. I can not believe Apple engineers could not design a water proof jack.
 
Tim's channeling Dirty Dancing for his innovation ideas.....

For the last dance we always do the maruangue..... how about this year we end it with the.... pachanga!

I honestly don't give a hooties cow what the next phone has to offer.... I upgrade yearly and will continue to do so... Why? Because I can and the iPhone does what I need it to do. I pick up other phones and they feel cheap by comparison...... even the newest from X manufacturer. I'm also entrenched in the iPhone ecosystem. All the whining about antenna bands and camera bumps is ridiculous IMHO but hey, to each their own.
 
So you got the cheap version without the Premium Package and you vote to Apple... I have apps on my car already and using my iDrive wheel to scroll around and writing on the touch pad surface is quite easy. My traffic updates dynamically as I'm on the road and I don't pay for 4G service to do so. You don't sound like a loyalist, as I mentioned in the post, so your comment is irrelevant. "The "performance" loyalty of BMW drivers who will only drive BMW til their deathbed?" I'll race your luxury 320 base model any day, bro.

Touchscreen cause the user to look away from the road and to follow their finger tip to a surface. The iDrive was invented as part of a user feedback a/b testing done over 10 years and is known to keep the users eyes on the road better than the competition. They continually upgrade and update the systems with larger and larger widescreen with stacked and side by side UI. I'd take this any day over my iPhone UI placed on a touchscreen 3 feet to my right as I'm also attempting to shift the car and drive through traffic.

And by the way, if you hard press on the voice button on the steering wheel, it has a different function than short press. One activates the iDrive voice, the other activates Siri. Siri always loses.
No need to be offensive. How do you know what car I drive? "not a loyalist?" You've got to be kidding me. Sorry I don't drink the BMW cool-aid

First of all, traffic updates are not 4g, that's your sirius XM radio. As a loyalist you should've known that. Now it is true that you don't need an active subscription for traffic but the maps themselves are never as good as something that updates all the time. Your map app is literally static and your software is static. Your'e done, they're not adding any more functionality to it.

Next, you want local businesses? No 4g connection means you aren't searching for any new businesses, your'e stuck with what the car software has. Apple carplay has yelp now, and I trust yelp more than a built in BMW system.

Touchscreen does take your eyes off the road, and that's why SIRI is such a big help. But you know what else takes your eye off the road? responding to texts. Checking scores. Checking what music to play. Maybe switching to a podcast. What device do you use to do those things? A phone. BMW will always be a middleman representation of those things. Carplay will literally be your device. How will BMW interface reflect spotify? Apple music? Not well, they rely on your phone having those apps, additionally none of your BMW interface will help with that. Voice control, can you tell BMW to play a music on apple music? no.

On that subject, does BMW have continuously updated apps? Can you take your car into BMW and ask them to integrate MLB at Bat for example? Can you tell your car to schedule an appointment for you?

I think it's actually completely hilarious to me how much your'e defending the idrive interface system. The idrive interface will forever be the middleman between your car and your phone. Why not let Apple control that interface? I think it's sad that you don't realize car manufacturers are making a killing selling an interface to you that you'll end up just looking down on your phone for that interface instead.
 
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The lack of a headphone jack in 7 just to make it water proof is pure lunacy and crazy. Another example of what Apple wants not what the customer wants. Again They will vote with their feet and sales will suffer.


My whole family has a ton of different Sennheiser headphones and audiophiles laugh at Beats. I even have a small tube amp that goes to my studio monitor headphones from the phone, pod and pad.


What the world does not need now is another adapter. It won't increase Beats sales - just hack off the customer base. I can not believe Apple engineers could not design a water proof jack.
Tim (or Apple) announced the details of iPhone 7?
 
Pretty optimistic for an ******* who's ruining Apple.
The same one that was in charge of Apple over more than the past 5 years while Apple continued earning more and more, being the most valued company in the world, and breaking all-time worldwide earnings records to top it off?
 
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