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Additionally, is it only me or is anyone else having a hard time getting excited about a 1.3GHz dual core machine? Sure the bus speed is faster and faster memory plus SSD but my 2006 Macbook is a 2.0GHz dual core processor. Are we regressing in clock speed?
 
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Additionally, is it only me or is anyone else having a hard time getting excited about a 1.3GHz dual core machine? Sure the bus speed is faster and faster memory plus SSD but my 2006 Macbook is a 2.0GHz dual core processor. Are we regressing in clock speed?
Clock speed isn't everything.

CPUs are a lot more efficient and can do a lot more today with lower clocks than 5 years ago.
 
The last 5 years has brought a ton of innovations: 3D Touch, Force Touch trackpad, Touch ID, Apple Pay, continuity/handoff, Apple Watch, dynamic 4 speaker stereo system, true tone display, Apple Pencil, Smart Keyboard, Mac Pro, Swift, ATV4, Research Kit, HomeKit, CarPlay, etc.

Continuity/Handoff is hardly innovations and it hardly working. Hand off is annoying when all your Apple devices start ringing when phone call comes in.

You seriously call 4 way speaker innovation? You call Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard innovation? Microsoft did that long times ago. It is merely overpriced stylus and keyboard accessories.

ATV is far from innovation, so is Mac Pro. Research kit, Carekit etc, other companies to that as well and far before Apple started those things.

So yeah. Not lot of innovation. I can call 3D Touch, Swift and Truetine display innovations. Other stuff are hardly innovations
 
AAPL has *grown* to $93.64 today from $132.79 5/22/2015.

I bought the shares when Amelio was CEO so I ain't no day trader.

I love it when the people who just bought an iPhone on time explain the market in an attempt to defend TC's honor.
What are we fighting about? I simply said that Apple is in it for the long haul.

By the way, TC is a yuuuge part of why you're making money on AAPL stock. Love me some Steve Jobs but TC is not running the company to the ground. Apple Computers has used his brain since 1998 to drive up it's stock and build amazing products and profits and fund the supply chain that Apple is leveraging today.

Apple was at $132.79 in October 2015 because of many factors and circumstances, including:
  • a different economy one year ago
  • rumored new macbook line
  • months away from new iPhone 6s, which people were hoping would mirror the same growth jump as iPhone 6 when Apple went to larger screens for the first time
  • bunch of hype from investors (eg. Carl Icahn)
  • bunch of rumors about Apple car
  • This was right after Apple released Apple Watch
Since then theres a number of factors to bring the price down.
  • Samsung, HTC, et. al. competition are driving perceived market value down. (can Apple dominate much longer?)
  • Not much phone sale growth happening in western world
  • Not much happening in terms of new products (just updates)
  • A lot of speculation, hence why Tim Cook took any time at all to be on CNBC's Mad Money of all shows.
  • Where is the Apple car?
  • People sell stock, others follow. It's like schools of fish. There are ebbs and flows based on herd mentality and cause-effect chains.
So many reasons. You can't blame all those on TC. He's smart, but he's one guy, not God, and does not compose the entire market, economy or computer/tech industry. And again, stock goes up and down and up. You can be mad if you zoom in, but when you zoom out you get rich.

FYI I'm not a trader. I'm basically making all this up and I'm making 20,000% more sense than you because you contribute like 4 sentences to the conversation—and I don't even know why you're sour with me. I don't own Apple stock. I'm not defending Tim Cooks honor but I find it odd that people are attacking it. Why? Based on stock sliding? Look at market cap? https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap

Steve Jobs left it at $300 B. It's been as high as $700 under cook. Its now at $512 B and it's going to go up. You just don't believe it will because you're behind the future, when they release new products, and reap cashflow from services.

Your stock is double what it was when Jobs left, even after the slide. If you hang in there, you'll get richer and richer. If you think TC is bad, sell your stock now. I think that would please a lot of people who are waiting for it to drop even further before WWDC and Sept's iPhone 7.

If I had to guess, things will really pick up in 2017. Again... long term. Hang in there. Good luck.
 
Continuity/Handoff is hardly innovations and it hardly working. Hand off is annoying when all your Apple devices start ringing when phone call comes in.

You seriously call 4 way speaker innovation? You call Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard innovation? Microsoft did that long times ago. It is merely overpriced stylus and keyboard accessories.

ATV is far from innovation, so is Mac Pro. Research kit, Carekit etc, other companies to that as well and far before Apple started those things.

So yeah. Not lot of innovation. I can call 3D Touch, Swift and Truetine display innovations. Other stuff are hardly innovations
apple has literally created the most accurate stylus this side of wacom but you know not innovative
 
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"How could I have ever thought about not wearing this watch?"
Cause it's ugly and doesn't do anything I need other than telling the time.
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ATV is far from innovation, so is Mac Pro. Research kit, Carekit etc, other companies to that as well and far before Apple started those things.
Both the old and new Mac Pros have really nice designs. They keep cool and quiet, unlike other workstations. If you build your own PC, even just with pleb gaming parts, it sounds like a lawnmower no matter what you do.
 
Tim's lack of understand between the simple concepts of time marching forward and innovation is absolutely staggering.

Putting the latest technological commodities into already existing products cannot be regarded as innovation, it's just the expected, natural flow of things and a necessity to stay competitive. 8-bit becomes 16-bit, 16 becomes 32, 32 to 64, 64 to 128, and so on. This is an inherent property, it's not anything he or Apple is inventing. A larger screen, faster processing chip, higher res camera, again, this is just simple progress, not innovation.

He needs to stop using that word, period. He should also start giving a sh*t about the other 10s or 100s of millions people that don't sit on Apple's Board. The people paying much more for hardware made unusable because of his lack of oversight, caring, and decency to control the quality of software he's putting out.
 
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ok Tim...

First, I made no comment on the quality or usability of the watch. I think it's well built, despite a few oversights and issues. My comment is on the business success, that's it.

Two, smart watches have been around in some form for a few decades, in various degrees, with some minor success, and a lot of failures. It is way too early, after only one quarter of good sales to say whether or not the it's been a success or not, and I admit that my current predictions are based on what's available now from numbers and market reaction.

Third, I'm pretty sure cook said the idea of the watch was thought up under Steve jobs.

Fourth, I expect him to deliver. End of story. If you're going to claim for year after year that "we've got the best pipeline ever" and " the most innovative products ever", you have to eventually deliver. Something he has not done.

So I expect him to shut up and put up now instead of doubling down on cheerleading. Because enough cheerleading without deliver is disenfranchisement for me, a tech fan who for most of my life has followed this companies products.

I'd love to have cook as my COO. He's proven he can make things happen, as long as someone else has the ideas.


Saw the edit, yeah Apple has always had a premium price. Commonly know. As the Apple tax. Sometimes it can be excused, but eventually, if you nickel and dime too much, and enough potential purchases are lost because of it, then someone has made a big mistake. I think we're on that cusp of returning to the days where the app,e tax has become too much. Especially when Apple keeps parroting how filthy rich they already are. "We have 200m in the bank! But give if we can't make 40% profit, we'll just cut out features to make up for it!


You say you want him to deliver. What do you want him to deliver? You said he hadn't done anything but small iterative updates to products which is why I brought up the Apple Watch which was entirely new. He says the iPad is the most innovative. It it might not have all of what you want in it but it is the best iPad Apple has made and I believe it is the best tablet available bar none. There isn't a single laptop or desktop on the market that interests me in the slightest and I look often because I will be updating my MacBook to a new desktop sometime soon.

I don't think Apple is perfect and Cook isn't the worlds greatest CEO but I think people on here are being overly reactive to the fact that Apple couldn't keep the best growth streak in the history of business alive forever. I don't see any other company leaving Apple in the dust. I don't see any products that I look at and think man I wish my Apple stuff could do that. Sure I look forward to newer and better things, I guess I just don't have high enough expectations that I feel let down by Apple right now (except the Mac desktop line which I find extremely underwhelming other than the iMac display).

Edit: hardware talk here. Apple software needs a kick in the ass and is behind its competitors in many ways.
 
The Apple Watch is an entirely new product category and it was entirely thought up and designed under Cook's watch. It is packed with innovation like force touch and haptic feedback which did not exist in consumer products before it. You may not like it but it has been fantastic for me.

I believe Tim Cook is doing a commendable job under very challenging circumstances. Taking over for a deceased God, in the eyes of the faithful, is a monstrous task.

The Watch is Apple's first forray into the _existing_ Smartwatch category.

So while AW is a new Apple product, it's relatively late entry into an active segment of wearables, reveal it's Cupertino reacting, not innovating. A very important distinction.

That it works out for you is nice, but those who share your satisfaction with Apple Watch are too few and far between. All gathered here in this forum, gives off a misleading impression.

AW is a small niche market product that will only live as long as Apple provides life support.
 
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to be fair, ipod was a relatively late entry into the mp3 market. iphone was a relatively late entry into the "smart phone" aka blackberry segment. ipad is just a bigger iphone. the world is ending, apple is bankrupt by this time next year.
 
Please, it needs an iPhone to function. It's nothing than a glorified and overpriced accessory.

Apple didn't sell a watch. Now they do. It's a new product. I didn't say it's the greatest thing ever made. I didn't say it's the next iPhone. I said it's a new product category and it absolutely is.
 
I believe Tim Cook is doing a commendable job under very challenging circumstances. Taking over for a deceased God, in the eyes of the faithful, is a monstrous task.

The Watch is Apple's first forray into the _existing_ Smartwatch category.

So while AW is a new Apple product, it's relatively late entry into an active segment of wearables, reveal it's Cupertino reacting, not innovating. A very important distinction.

That it works out for you is nice, but those who share your satisfaction with Apple Watch are too few and far between. All gathered here in this forum, gives off a misleading impression.

AW is a small niche market product that will only live as long as Apple provides life support.

The iPhone was not the first smartphone, the iPad wasn't the first tablet... They had existed for over a decade. Apple was never first. The Apple Watch probably won't ever be considered the best smart watch by the majority of tech pundits in the way the iPhone or iPad are but everyone I know who has one love them. It will continue to get better and in ten years it will be commonplace to see people wearing them. It's a profitable business so "life support" is a bit of a stretch.
 
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What are we fighting about?
I have never participated in the pugilistic arts. The word you are searching for is argue.

There is no argument between us. I posted facts. You posted gonna-do's and usta-coulds.

You are unwilling to back up your fantasies with funds. Come back after you buy AAPL.
 
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I don't think Apple is perfect and Cook isn't the worlds greatest CEO but I think people on here are being overly reactive to the fact that Apple couldn't keep the best growth streak in the history of business alive forever. I don't see any other company leaving Apple in the dust. I don't see any products that I look at and think man I wish my Apple stuff could do that. Sure I look forward to newer and better things, I guess I just don't have high enough expectations that I feel let down by Apple right now (except the Mac desktop line which I find extremely underwhelming other than the iMac display).

This is all because of products he had absolutley NOTHING to do with. NOTHING. The man responsible for ALL of Apple's current success died and Tim became his succsessor. That's as far as his involvement goes. This is like a child inheriting a fortune from his or her parents and then constantly being congratulated and revered for all of his or her success. He is milking someone else's innovations to death.

He's shortsightedly brushing aside all other aspects of his company to milk every molecule out of a one or two products. This is not a good CEO. Apple's unprecedented growth and wealth was coming whether Tim Cook was next in line or Tim Allen, it wouldn't have mattered. My cat could have been named CEO, the iPhone was already out and unstoppable regardless of who was named CEO. All he's done, as far as I'm concerned, is turn a company that had passion and concern into a factory for novelty gadgets.
 
Unless they can figure out how to fold it in half then I'm pretty happy with the design.

If I had a choice I'd prefer it be significantly thicker!
Give me bigger/better battery life, a better zoom lens, a better flash and iPad Pro speakers in the extra space and I'd be ecstatic!
Which I know I'm never going to see...

Gary

Yeah, people need to get a life instead of expecting technology to fill the hole in their souls.

I would REALLY like to see a legit, authentic colored rose gold iPhone. I think it would be cool, if they're going for the luxury brand thing to actually, have a line of phones that are durably plated with real precious metals for a few hundred bucks more. Yellow/rose gold and platinum. Would be very awesome to have some legit OEM bling

a solid gold iPhone would be going way too far...and I'm almost of the same opinion in regards to the solid gold Apple Watch....but having quality plated finishes would be a great upsell !!
 
I used to buy each model every year, but that stopped when I skipped the 5s. Then I got the 6 and passed on the 6s. I may pass on the 7 based upon things that are rumored.
 
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I have never participated in the pugilistic arts. The word you are searching for is argue.
Fighting can mean an act of conflict. Once you become rigid with language it loses it's beauty. Use language as a bridge to connect us, not a wall or moat to increase our distance.

There is no argument between us. I posted facts.

Barely and I don't think in plural. I learned nothing from your post. Facts would have been educational.

You are unwilling to back up your fantasies with funds. Come back after you buy AAPL.

I say the same to you. If Cook is so bad, back up your insults with funds and sell all your Apple stock. Come back after you sell AAPL.
 
"Innovation"

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